Do you think that a repeal of net neutrality rules will benefit or harm the internet?
I view it as a current necessary evil to a problem we will one day solve.
Everybody who said no is literally Ajit Pai!
Maybe we aren't so divided after all! Screw Trump for changing these rules!
People seem to think that nobody can develop something new in the world of high tech.
With all that money at stake, certainly somebody will come up with a better service method.
Maybe it's the kick in the pants that's needed to start the overdue next-revolution in technology.
Less government intrusion in the internet is good. Less government intrusion in anything is always good.
How well did govt intrusion in the airline industry work?
Or long-distance passenger rail and buses?
Or the phone industry?
Net neutrality isn’t government intrusion, NN is protecting the free market of the internet.
Lol the government always says they are getting involved to protect your freedom and then they limit it once they are involved. The internet worked perfectly fine before net neutrality and will work fine again once it is gone.
The internet (in America) has always been under net neutrality rules. Net neutrality is the name we gave it in 2015. Communist China and North Korea don’t use net neutrality, to the benefit of their governments.
If net neutrality was around 10 years ago the iPhone would’ve never been invented
How? What does ISP's having to provide data at the same speed have to do with creating a phone?
I’m willing to bet a good number of people who support net neutrality repeal don’t know what the word “oligopoly” means
A couple things happen with its repeal. Both good.
1. Returns internet to free market
2. Restores everything as it was a short time ago and for decades before. And there was absolutely nothing wrong with internet before.
What those in favor of “net neutrality” want, and what would be lost with its repeal, is eventual government control of who can and who cannot speak freely over the internet. When they control the strings, they will eventually control what content is accessible.
That’s paranoia. I just don’t think a resource as valuable as the internet should be left completely in the hands of corporations whose only concern is to make money (which there is nothing wrong with, that’s why businesses exist, it’s just that I don’t trust them to not exploit this to jack up prices).
ISP's are not a free market. They are an oligopoly that has huge upfront costs to start a company.
Is that what was happening all those years we didn’t have net neutrality? I don’t remember that. Or it “might” happen so we better take it out of the hands of mere citizens?
What makes someone trust the government more than corporations? Corporations have competition to keep them in check. The government does not. Neither is more or less inherently evil than the other. The difference is the lack of accountability the government enjoys and that makes evil and corruption a certainty. It happens EVERY time with EVERY thing the government controls.
Once again, paranoia. I never said corporations or the government were evil, I said corporations exist for the sole purpose of making money, and they unfortunately exploit consumers in order to make more.
And like the other guy said, there is no competition in that market, it’s a ruthless oligopoly
And the sole purpose of government has become taking that money and giving it to people who produced nothing.
While it is true corporations primary purpose is making money, it is hardly the sole purpose. And even if it is, so what? The fact remains, they make said money by providing goods and services that people need and/or want. This is how a society thrives and is even necessary just to survive.
Government does not and, frankly, cannot produce anything. You don’t think those politicians (most) are in it for the money? They all take advantage of their unproductive existence to hawk books and set up a cushy life after funded by paid appearances and lobbying for more and bigger unproductive government.
Corporations, when operating in free market, do indeed make money. Why is that bad. In exchange for the money, they provide everything vital and useful to everyone.
And if a particular Corp fails to do that satisfactorily, they will cease making money and, in turn, cease to exist.
There is no risk for government and, thus, no consequence or accountability for failure.
Therefore, they do irresponsible things constantly with other peoples’ hard-earned money and those things inevitably fail. They say they failed because they didn’t do enough, then take more money and do even more irresponsible things.
And this is not paranoia. It is human nature and it is the nature of government. And it is the reason the Founders drafted a Constitution which, if followed, safeguards against.
It is also based on centuries upon centuries of human history where every previous successful society has eventually fallen for these very reasons.
I can see the hard side of things, but In my opinion the government has no right to tell companies what they can and can't do as long as it's not hurting anyone.
Now we will beable to buy small unique package plans.
No longer will the big corps beable to keep little isps from sprouring up.
Name one TV Service Provider that isn’t a large corporation.
Do you really think small ISPs will benefit from this?
To my knowledge there hasn't been any since net neutrality was issued.
Net neutrality has allowed big corporations to keep the little guys from springing up
Do you remember the internet before Obama?
Repealing net neutrality won’t change that, you do realize?
Increased competition my ass, corporations will continue to do what they’ve been doing. They cooperate on one high price and let each other get service from different geographic regions. They see it as mutual benefit
The majority of consumers don’t want to go through the hassle of paying more for their favorite websites, and it’ll further decrease traffic to smaller websites.
If that were the case, why do you not support repealing net neutrality?
Because it helps nobody. The things you are complaining about would persist, and put even more control in the hands of corporations.
The internet shouldn’t be owned by anyone, and repealing net neutrality would essentially give control of the entire internet to about 6 different corporations
We need to stop from using the goverment for things that we should be dealing with ourselves.
And these corporations would still work together to stomp out other competition.
You always have the chance to pick another provider.
That is shit reasoning. There’s no practicality in just blatantly taking the government out of everything without crucially investigating the government’s positive impact
But there would be no point in picking another provider.
In an oligopoly, large companies cooperate for mutual benefit. It all depends on where you live. Let’s say on this side of town, Xfinity has lower prices than all the competitors (but it’s still an unnecessarily high price), but in return, Xfinity lets Verizon have the lowest price in another area of town.
That’s not competition. That’s corrupt
Then you and i dont buy internet.
You are very use to having tbis service but it is not a nessary thing.
If we all refuse to play then the price will go down or another isp will spring up. Basic supply and demand.
The product can only be sold if the buyer is willing to pay.
Under net neutrality laws, the government doesn’t censor web content. Without them, corporations would be able to do just that.
Let’s say Xfinity comes out with it’s own streaming service. In order to boost their own profit, they slow down and raise prices for access to sites like Netflix and Hulu. You support that?
The government has no right to tell a bussness what they can sell and how much they can sell it at.
No internet is no longer an option in the 21st century. At least a third of my homework is online. More and more people are working from home. It seems like a hassle to drive to a Barnes & Noble or to a library every day just so I can pass my classes or keep my job.
It is still only a service and as you have mentioned there are plenty of places to access this service.
You have no 'right' to this service.
Enough with the laissez-faire rhetoric. It isn’t practical to dogmatically adhere to principles like that in every case in today’s society and economy. I support capitalism, yes, but only so long as it is practical and works best for the largest number of people.
That doesn’t justify making it harder for the middle class to access it. That’s like saying it’s completely fine to raise college tuition to $1,000,000/year, simply because it isn’t a guarantee or a right. Fuck your tough titties, I don’t care if Adam Smith would frown upon it if it’s what works best for the largest number of people then we shouldn’t take it away from them.
And no everyone has those places. The nearest library for me is a half hour drive. A large number of businesses that offer free wifi to its customers require that you patronize them and I can’t afford to do that every day. I’d rather compromise on government power here than go through all that hassle just to say “hooray I’m a principled capitalist”
Im in support of the free market, and would love to see these unconstitutional congress approved agencys abolished.
They might be erected foe a good reason, but it is damaging the country because Americans get use to these protections and forget that they are the biggest bargening tool.
I have my fingers crossed hopping Trump with lower or remove the federal minimum wage next.
Having the goverment do these things hurts us two fold.
First we forget we are the biggest bargining chip. If we are not qilling to pay companies will shrivel up and die.
& secondly it expands tje goverments reach.
As I stated before
I’m in support of a free market, as long as it works for the largest amount of people, and I don’t think it’s worth decreasing access to the most valuable service in modern history to cling so stubbornly to laissez-faire ideals.
That works for certain products or goods, but not something so crucial to society as the internet.
The internet is what makes it possible for you to get on this app and gripe about government overreach.
You have to take into account the necessity of the good/service to the ability to survive and thrive in today’s economy. If the product is too crucial, then not enough people will boycott it to lower prices, no matter what ISP’s would realistically charge.
tl;dr Not enough people would be willing to forgo the internet in order for a boycott to have a large enough impact on prices.
99% of my internet use is recreational and I could live without it.
Nigga that’s you.
The majority of Americans use it to file taxes, pay bills, do homework, communicate with colleagues, and make a living.
Welcome to the 21st Century
Not to mention online shopping and the trading of stocks, both of which advance the economy
Well then thats your problem.
Shouldnt have put all ypur eggs in one basket.
Finding directions to important destinations, important collaborative projects for work/school, businesses to outreach to their customers
It’s not my problem, it’s the situation of the vast majority of Americans
Welcome to the 21st century
Checking my bank account balance, accessing the news, contacting my legislators to say that their constituents don’t want net neutrality to be repealed
Checking my SAT score, submitting college applications, applying for jobs
Heres an idea. Get off your ass and do those things the old fashioned way.
Why should hundreds of millions of Americans do so when they don’t have to?
You’re asking a nation of 325 million people to electively fall behind the the global economy for the sole reason of principles authored 200+ years ago.
Old fashioned doesn’t always equal better.
Welcome to the 21st century
By the way, you said you could totally do without the internet, so how about hopping the fuck off this app?
But they do have to because government shouldn't be legislating how a company prices their product.
You might not think Americans should have to but I sure as hell do.
So you’re saying that Americans have a duty to boycott the internet if prices get too high?
That’s impractical and just dumb
Im saying that the buyer always set tje prices.
Not always. Goods and services that are considered necessities (the internet has become a necessity or near-necessity in the 21st century) will respond much less drastically to price.
I understand supply and demand, but the issue is more nuanced than that. The market is more complex than that.
*demand for goods and services
The amount of people on the net neutrality bandwagon is frightening
I used to think it would really harm the internet, but everyone, remember this. Before 2015, net neutrality did NOT exist. That mean for the nearly two decades the internet grew before that, there was no limitations. I don't ever remember having a problem with anything. I think people are making a bigger deal out of this than is realistic.
Oh, and don't worry all you sickos out there. When net neutrality is repealed your porn will still be there.
Yeah those damn sickos who masturbate
It’s true that there were no clear legal protections requiring net neutrality until 2015, but your comment is misleading in a number of ways.
“Before 2015, net neutrality did NOT exist.”
The FCC didn’t have clear legal authority to enforce net neutrality until 2015, but the concept and debate over it goes back to the early days of the internet.
“...for the nearly two decades the internet grew before that...”
The internet grew exponentially for two decades in an environment where ISPs generally followed the principles of net neutrality, often under threat of stricter regulation from the FCC.
“...there was no limitations.”
There were plenty of limitations before 2015. On multiple occasions before 2010, the FCC ordered ISPs who violated net neutrality principles to change their behavior (e.g. the Comcast BitTorrent debacle in 2007) but a 2010 federal court ruling found that they actually didn’t have the authority to do this. In an attempt to give themselves said authority, the FCC approved the Open Internet Order (sort of net neutrality lite) later that year. Key parts of that order were later struck down by a 2014 court ruling (Verizon v. FCC), which led to the Title II reclassification in 2015 to finally give the FCC unquestioned authority to enforce net neutrality.
“I don’t ever remember having a problem with anything.”
That’s because ISPs in the US have, except for a few isolated incidents, always followed the basic principles of net neutrality. The FCC’s authority to actually enforce these principles was often questionable, but they’ve always done all in their power to maintain the status quo. Now that the cable industry essentially owns the FCC commissioners, this status quo is at risk and our internet could end up looking similar to other countries that don’t enforce net neutrality. For example, here’s what paying for internet looks like in Mexico:
The internet should be left alone, with anything, free there are always those trying to change it, or steal it, for their own profit & benefit‼️
As P.T. Barnum once said, “There’s a sucker born every minute.” The World is still filled with plenty of Barnums & suckers‼️
The internet should be treated as any other utility.
Fuck you Ajit Pai. The internet was meant to be a free service for the populace. Not an EA game.
Well, the deregulation of ma Bell (AT&T) back in the '80's worked. Numerous competitors flooded the market and lowered costs and improved quality. This move might have the same outcome.
Seriously? Your bill is lower? What competition?
All my bill has done is gone up and up. Only phone service we can get here is At&T (formerly Michigan bell). That whole thing is a lie.
You mean you don't have access to Verizon, T-Mobile, Sprint, Cricket, etc? I would dump the landline service and go mobile. Or switch carriers if ATT fucked you over.
You mean you have all those services available to you as a land line? For almost 20 years, deregulation of ma Bell did absolutely nothing for the consumer except raise prices. The only other thing it’s done is created a market where if you get pissed at your high priced phone bill, you can switch to another high price phone company. Which you can then switch to another and another and then back to your original. Companies know this and know they haven’t lost your business.
People touted the same thing in the early 80’s they are now. “Oh deregulation will create competition which will then create lower prices”. Yeah, it didn’t lower prices at all. And this won’t either.
Has net neutrality lowered your bill? Has it improved your choices? What makes Yo think it is going to?
Anytime Marxism is defeated, it’s a good thing.
Yeah! Close USPS! Electricity should be at extortion prices! Water should cost just less than the price of us driving to the river and cleaning it ourselves!
Boooo on utilities. Boooooo!!!!
I’m sorry that you feel that way.
USPS is terrible so i don't get your point
I don’t want Trump to control the internet. Get government hands away from the internet.
If net neutrality helps the little guys compete with giants, then why would the giants be in favor of it?
People don’t understand how harmful NN is
I just did below
People are ignorant and they really don’t understand what is going on. They like the concept of Net neutrality and vote on that but they don’t understand what is happening in reality. Advocates of regulation have predicted many horribles from degraded service higher cost less Innnovation, higher fees and restricted choices and none of these have come true. There’s only been one recorded case where an ISP clearly attempted to block Internet content for its own benefit. The imagined outrages of ISPs sabotaging rivals and extracting fees are just that imagined.
In fact level III is using net neutrality create unfair Full of traffic with Comcast and not willing to pay for it, which is kind of against the whole idea of a market economy. Also AT&T under the guise of net neutrality did not allow Apple users to FaceTime over mobile phone networks unless you had an unlimited data plan all in the name of net neutrality. Rison made a different decision allowing unconditional use and within a year AT&T dropped restrictions without FCC net neutrality interference
Without net neutrality in Abita pricing plans for wireless services known as sponsor data are being created. Basically content providers pick up the data charges incurred by consumers when using your sites. By freeing potential users from exceeding their data caps and being hit with additional charges, now this plan encourages them to spend more time on the site and it’s good for consumers who pay less for more.
Last do you understand who is deciding what is net neutrality? The FCC did not bar all forms of differentiation. They exempted reasonable network management and left reasonable undefined. This discretion is determined by 5 FCC members who determine case by case which ISP actions are acceptable and which ones are not. And since the FCC declared themselves broadband service is not a telecommunications provider they by law cannot impose or carry regulations. This is why the courts have found against them.
So if you are a consumer you should cheer the recent appeals court decision to void the FCC’s net neutrality rules. Broadband consumers were hurt not helped by these agency’s restrictions. They did not guard against market abuses by dominant firms, but more importantly the rules have been invoked to hinder innovation, impede competition, and block consumer price protection. Policymakers and Congress and at the FCC should not restore these unnecessary and harmful regulations. The idea may sound right but in reality it is hurting you and by being FOR it you’re just proclaiming your ignorance.
At&T/FaceTime was before net neutrality.
How much cheaper is your phone bill after deregulation? Lots of competition out there for you.
“People are ignorant and they really don’t understand what is going on.”
I think you should look in the mirror, ccc1. Also, you’re admitting that an ISP has already tried to alter content for their benefit yet that doesn’t make you in favor of net neutrality?
You completely misunderstand what happened with AT&T, you’re just putting up a wall of text to try and look smart. AT&T was trying to violate net neutrality rules.
"AT&T is trying to invent a loophole in the rules," said S. Derek Turner, research director of Free Press, a tech policy advocacy group. "FaceTime allows people to reduce their use of voice services, but AT&T is making you buy unlimited voice in order to use FaceTime over mobile."
Deregulation of the ISPs will lead to no good and will wind up raising the cost of internet, which we all know is an essential utility. You’re just lying for the sake of big companies, for some reason.
Honest question: if the net neutrality regulations are pulled, does that mean we can shut down stuff like alt-right and ISIS recruitment sites? Because that would be a good thing.
You obviously have no idea with neutrality really means or is
That’s why I asked a question.
If only there was a way you could censor indiscriminately everything that you disagree with. That would be the life right? Always the tolerant left smh
Uh...I think shutting down ISIS and alt-right websites would be a good thing. I’m also conservative btw, so what are you actually talking about?
It won't help or harm, just be different I believe
Of course harm. Those in favor of repealing are either idiots or they do not understand the issue.
You just been declared yourself to be an idiot in that you have no idea what net neutrality is. You have some concept in your head of what you think it should be but that is not all what’s happening in reality. See my comments above about FACTS and REALITY. These net neutrality rules have allowed market abuses by dominant firms, hindered innovation, impeded competition, and worse they hurt consumer price protection’s.
Would it be possible to protest ISPs if net neutrality is reversed and they screw us over?
Usually I’m not one for federal regulation before something gets bad, but this one is ripe to be a train wreck.
Comcast, Verizon, ATT...are horrible government sanctioned monopolies that WILL overcharge and limit service. If competition actually existed for home internet this would be no big deal, but these villains have spent a fortune to tear down neutrality for their own benefit.
If he does this, increase bandwidth for Breitbart and Fox News then he can create his own false narratives. Maybe even create a Trump TV 🙄
So much harm.
Nobody likes this idea yet somehow it hasn’t been killed
That’s because our elected officials don’t give a fuck about us. They only care about who’s paying them the most.
Let the record show that this is a Republican majority on all 3 branches.
Sad but true voc .... Sad but true.
Doesn’t matter who holds the majority. Dems would do (and have done) the same. Politicians in general don’t have our best interests in mind.
I, for one, welcome our new corporate overlords. Therefore it will be very beneficial.
Harm. What benefit could ever come from giving the ISP's all the power?
What benefit comes from giving government all he power?
When even a small sample size like this poll is overwhelming against repealing net neutrality regardless of party than why is it being repealed, it shouldn’t happen.
I think this is the Trump administration forcing congress to take action and do their jobs by voting on a law for this instead of relying on the FCC to try and enforce an obscure rule that wasn’t voted on by our representatives
Hurt. Independent websites will slow down.
Harm and anyone who says otherwise is an idiot who can’t get their head far enough out of their ass to take an actual look at the situation and realize it is not a partisan issue.
As someone who opposes repeal, I think this is an unfair characterization of the other side. We really don't need to be calling people idiots.
I’m sorry but there is enough information out there. Anyone with a brain can find information on this subject and realize that this is not a partisan issue or a free market issue. Those who choose to remain willfully ignorant and still hold opinions are idiots plain and simple.
Another “I told you so” on my list. Healthcare is too difficult to fix, so let’s mess with something that doesn’t need fixing.
Harm! Harm! 1000x Harm!
I’m not a sucker for political scares as far as issues go, but check my tag...
god help us all