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political December 1st, 2017 11:19pm

Typically, gay men walk with their knees close together and hold their wrists bent. Are these type of gestures caused by social norms within the gay community?

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liam2013 iowa
12/07/17 4:01 pm

Stereotype. Most gay men cannot be identified from straight men. Some gay men, however, may exaggerate this stereotypic mannerism within the gay community as a means of expressing themselves.

ladyniner81 no hope for humanity
12/03/17 6:24 pm

Why am I thinking of that dude from the movie Birdcage? šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚

IEatzCookies Alderaan
12/03/17 12:23 pm

I hate that they do that. It's cringy and weird.

Ebola1 Florida
12/03/17 6:39 am

I don’t believe that to be true.

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Liberty 4,032,064
12/02/17 7:15 am

It could be a learned behavior, or a hormone imbalance.

Praetorianus Fair enough.
12/02/17 7:52 am

A hormone imbalance to make your wrists go limp, what a bullshit idea.

Liberty 4,032,064
12/02/17 8:14 am

It could cause eliminate behavior in men. Just a thought.

Praetorianus Fair enough.
12/02/17 9:29 am

A low testosterone level can possibly cause effeminate behavior but does NOT affect sexual orientation. I don't know what causes attraction but it's not hormones that determine whom you are attracted to, just your sex drive.

TomM
12/02/17 2:31 am

Huh ? Never heard that.

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PresWK Minnesota
12/02/17 12:29 am

No, moreso instinctual body language resulting from lower levels of testosterone

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Praetorianus Fair enough.
12/02/17 7:55 am

I think it's a misconception to think men attracted to men have low testosterone or think like women (who usually aren't limp wristed either).
Sexual orientation /= sexual identity.

PresWK Minnesota
12/02/17 8:14 am

Uh, testosterone creates affinity towards women and estrogen creates affinity towards men, otherwise wouldn't half of animals in nature be gay?

Praetorianus Fair enough.
12/02/17 9:26 am

No, both hormones contribute to sex drive and sexual identity / characteristics NOT orientation.
BTW, homosexual behavior is common in animals, too.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_displaying_homosexual_behavior?wprov=sfla1

PresWK Minnesota
12/02/17 9:30 am

Each hormone contributes to sex drive for the opposite respective gender, and there isn't any species of animal where homosexuals make up more than a tiny fraction, of which could probably be explained by hormone disorders

Praetorianus Fair enough.
12/02/17 10:19 am

You are simply wrong. Take pygmy chimps (bonobos). Homosexual behavior in those genetically close relatives is extremely common and not dysfunctional :
www.livescience.com/44464-bonobo-homosexuality-natural.html

I don't know why some people feel so uncomfortable acknowledging that some homosexual (or bisexual) behavior is natural and does not endanger the species.

TJMacks3 Evolutionary Socialist
12/01/17 11:30 pm

They are born that way, so you have to deal with it.

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anniepoops wisco fever
12/01/17 11:28 pm

I have quite a few gay friends and I don’t think this is typical.

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PrinceOberyn Vive LEmpereur
12/01/17 9:31 pm

Hey, cunt, your 'typical' is missing 'stereo' in front of it.

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political Georgia
12/01/17 9:38 pm

And yet, this is a common characteristic.

FacePalm That Trick Never Works
12/02/17 12:55 am

No, it isn’t. But thanks for sharing your ignorance with the lovely audience here at SoH.

FacePalm That Trick Never Works
12/01/17 9:14 pm

What the blazes are you talking about?

That is one of the most ignorant things I have ever read, I hope you are just trying to cause trouble.

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political Georgia
12/01/17 9:19 pm

If you saw a random guy with these mannerisms, would you not think that he is gay?

political Georgia
12/01/17 9:37 pm

That’s offensive to many gays.

FacePalm That Trick Never Works
12/02/17 12:54 am

Sparky, you are the last person I would look to for advice or informed opinion regarding what is or is not insulting to gays.

gluxford1 Arizona
12/01/17 9:11 pm

šŸ˜‚ I’m gay and I don’t walk like that.

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political Georgia
12/01/17 9:19 pm

Are these not gay mannerisms though?

gluxford1 Arizona
12/02/17 3:33 am

Only in cartoons.

Yessy French Texan
12/01/17 8:40 pm

I cross my legs when I sit . Doesn't mean that I'm gay. Again it's a cultural thing. Not here in the US do you see men wide their legs apart that it takes so much space in metros.

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martyt02
12/01/17 8:17 pm

Are they typical? Lots of gay men don’t walk like that.

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political Georgia
12/01/17 8:19 pm

Nor hold their wrists limp?

If a guy had both of these characteristics, most would believe that the guy is gay. That’s not to say that all gays have these mannerisms of course.

martyt02
12/01/17 8:39 pm

Yes, I see what you are saying. Those characteristics would be seen, right or wrong, as an indication that the person is gay.

MrMilkdud
12/01/17 7:15 pm

It’s a result of those tiny little shoes they wear.

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Okie1967 The world is crazy
12/01/17 8:02 pm

And small hands?

Praetorianus Fair enough.
12/02/17 12:30 am

Are you suggesting Trump.is gay?
Just kidding šŸ˜

Okie1967 The world is crazy
12/01/17 6:44 pm

Well they weren’t born to walk like that.

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Okie1967 The world is crazy
12/01/17 6:58 pm

Social “abnorms” is more accurate.

political Georgia
12/01/17 7:58 pm

What I’m stunned to hear is that people claim that I’m small minded for observing that a lot of gays have these characteristics. I thought these were obvious observations.

lcamino Florida and Georgia
12/01/17 6:39 pm

Some straight guys have effeminate voices or mannerisms, and some gay men do not. As for this knee thing, I’m not familiar with anyone going that.

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Casper Deep inthe Heart ofTexas
12/01/17 6:39 pm

I’ve known a lot of gays that are like that. Not all by any means but it’s clearly indicative of gay.

If somebody said “over the top flaming” we would all know what they mean. Is that behavior learned, natural, flirtatious.... It’s a legit question.

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political Georgia
12/01/17 8:04 pm

Thank you

Kay41 the Midwest
12/01/17 6:19 pm

This is a silly premise and anyone who believes that this is true for gay men in general (yes, there are probably some men like this) is small-minded.

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political Georgia
12/01/17 8:01 pm

Is it unreasonable to recognize that these characteristics are significantly held by gay men? The argument is not that all gay men hold these characteristics, but if we were to watch a movie that featured a gay guy, the movie director would ensure the actor would carry out the mannerism that are described, correct?

Kay41 the Midwest
12/01/17 8:06 pm

Your word "typically" makes this a wrong premise. You probably see gay men often and don't see them walking around like this. Yes, sometimes gay men are portrayed this way for artistic sake. It might be true for some very effeminate men (gay or not). But it is small-minded to think that gay men in general do this.

political Georgia
12/01/17 8:10 pm

The frequency of these mannerisms is not the primary question though. If an observer sees a guy with these characteristics, most will assume that the guy is gay. Are those mannerisms described the result of the person’s environment?

Kay41 the Midwest
12/01/17 8:13 pm

Your question can't be answered when your premise is wrong.

political Georgia
12/01/17 8:15 pm

I simply don’t understand how you could reject the notion that these are common mannerisms within the gay community.

Casper Deep inthe Heart ofTexas
12/01/17 8:26 pm

Gay doesn’t mean flaming but flaming means gay. Flaming is a subset of gay.

I have never met a straight guy with those flaming mannerisms.

Btw, I apologize to all those offended by the word flaming but it seems descriptive and all my flaming friends would be complimented.

political Georgia
12/01/17 8:29 pm

I’m only worried that you know this much about gayness! šŸ˜‚

Kay41 the Midwest
12/01/17 8:30 pm

The point is, most gay men do not have these characteristics. Some do, yes. But, to assume it is a general characteristic for gay men is small-minded.

Kay41 the Midwest
12/01/17 8:31 pm

So, "typically" makes this a false premise.

Casper Deep inthe Heart ofTexas
12/01/17 8:37 pm

Kay, you know I would never disagree with you but I think this is semantics. You are absolutely correct that gay men aren’t typically flaming but I’m still curious about an answer. In Political’s world it may be that all the gay men he knows are like that. Perhaps because it is their way to come out or maybe because it is flirtatious. I wouldn’t know.

Kay41 the Midwest
12/01/17 8:54 pm

Casper, you can disagree with me whenever you want to! šŸ˜ŠšŸ˜Š

Casper Deep inthe Heart ofTexas
12/01/17 8:57 pm

Thank you but I have too much respect for you to be on the other side of any issue.

Kay41 the Midwest
12/01/17 9:02 pm

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FacePalm That Trick Never Works
12/01/17 9:24 pm

“if we were to watch a movie that featured a gay guy, the movie director would ensure the actor would carry out the mannerism that are described, correct?”

Incorrect. If the director wanted a stereotypical, exaggerated caricature of a gay man he or she might ask for those mannerisms. But they would be understood to not be representative of the “typical” gay man in the real world, and possibly bigoted.

This is a parallel to the ways in which Christians are often portrayed in TV and movies: prudes, intolerant, uptight, arrogant, stupid. Shall we make a poll about the “typical” Christian based on those stereotypes?

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political Georgia
12/01/17 9:37 pm

Christians make up a much larger population and have a variety of sects. Gays make up 3% of the population, so it’s much easier to show common characteristics in a movie. In other words, this is not an apple to Apple scenario, and furthermore, we all know that this is simply semantics.

FacePalm That Trick Never Works
12/02/17 12:53 am

The reality that you make a distinction based on the number of people who are included in the group says a lot about you, and none of it good.

mark4
12/02/17 5:38 am

Okay, my posts on this topic have been, so far, humorous, an intended insult to the too easily offended.

Seriously,of those men I've known were definitely homosexual, about half exhibited stereotypical mannerisms. But that's the point, isn't it? How many did I never know were homosexual?

bower8899 ...
12/01/17 6:13 pm

I'm sorry, political, is this your own observation? Funniest thing I've read all day šŸ˜‚

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political Georgia
12/01/17 7:59 pm

Even liberals make these observations in everyday society

RussianThunder Russia and USA
12/01/17 5:48 pm

I have a gay friend at school. He walks like everyone else.

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swervin Maryland
12/01/17 5:42 pm

What in the world? I have never seen this nor heard of it.

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coloradical Vote or Shut Up
12/01/17 5:41 pm

Have you ever heard of “The Bears & the Cubs” ? Big bearded gay guys are the Bears & scrawny short bearded gay men are the Cubs. Lmao šŸ˜‚

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coloradical Vote or Shut Up
12/01/17 5:38 pm

It’s a learned behavior.

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TitaniumOreo Upstate New York
12/01/17 5:34 pm

I’m gay, and have several gay friends, and none of them walk like that

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Casper Deep inthe Heart ofTexas
12/01/17 6:37 pm

Do you think it’s a false stereotype?

TitaniumOreo Upstate New York
12/02/17 7:39 am

There are some who are more flamboyant but on the whole just because you’re gay doesn’t really mean you act different than straight people.

Casper Deep inthe Heart ofTexas
12/02/17 7:41 am

But being flamboyant makes a clear statement.

Axl752 NY
12/01/17 5:24 pm

Source?

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political Georgia
12/01/17 5:28 pm

You could probably go to a gay bar and find these common characteristics.

Axl752 NY
12/01/17 5:30 pm

I thought you hated gays, so why are you hanging out in gay bars?

Praetorianus Fair enough.
12/01/17 5:34 pm

Depends on the bar and who frequents it.
There are a lot of masculine gays, example this biker club:
www.vice.com/en_us/article/xd7zka/riding-with-the-oldest-all-male-all-gay-all-riding-motorcycle-club-520

You'd just not know it seeing them

Praetorianus Fair enough.
12/01/17 5:38 pm

Both the limp wristed sissy and the burly gay biker are of course extremes and stick out.
The average gay will probably be just an average Joe.
2-4% of the population is gay but I don't see one in 25 men behaving conspicuously.

MrMilkdud
12/01/17 7:17 pm

An all gay biker bar?
Yikes. I’d hate to be the guy who has to mop out those bathrooms.

kscott516 EB rules
12/01/17 7:56 pm

They probably don’t use a mop šŸ‘…

Praetorianus Fair enough.
12/01/17 5:19 pm

It's only perceived as typical because it stands out.
No idea where it came from but it's surely cultural not genetic how you present your wrist and such.

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susanr Colorado
12/01/17 5:13 pm

"Typically..." What lunacy is this?

I lived in San Francisco for years. I lived in a commune where about half the people were gay men, and many of our friends were gay. I visit SF once a year and spend time with some of the same people, see other gay men, and no doubt see numerous other gay men on the street and in stores.

I don't think I've observed any gay man walking *ordinarily* "with their knees close together." Anywhere. *Ever.*

I think there was a certain kind of "theatrical" walk that I've seen among some of the folks I knew who were *theatrical performers*, who weren't even all gay, that might have included something resembling knees held close together. But that had much more to do with theatrics than gayness.

The "hold their wrists bent" thing sounds like an exaggeration of a "limp wrist" affectation that isn't at all predominant among gay men, and isn't even always associated with gayness.

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susanr Colorado
12/01/17 5:17 pm

This sounds like something imagined by someone who has been exposed to a single exaggerated example of "gayness" and believes it is representative of all gays; thus, "typically."

Kind of like the stereotypes of Muslims. And liberals. And many other groups.

Axl752 NY
12/01/17 5:27 pm

@Political doesn't get out much.

political Georgia
12/01/17 5:27 pm

In normal society, we all recognize that certain people are gay by these common characteristics. Now, this doesn’t mean that these common characteristics is exclusive to all gays, but it “typical” would be an accurate phrasing.

tony1987
12/01/17 4:54 pm

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smart1
12/01/17 4:51 pm

Typical?

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Luftwaffe South of Heaven
12/01/17 4:23 pm

They just got their ass pounded so of course, they'd walk like that.

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political Georgia
12/01/17 4:24 pm

Dang.....

political Georgia
12/01/17 4:26 pm

Speaking from experience, Luft?

Luftwaffe South of Heaven
12/01/17 4:26 pm

In all seriousness, those are just the feminine ones that mainly do that, to appear, of course, feminine.

Luftwaffe South of Heaven
12/01/17 4:27 pm

No, I am not speaking from experience.

political Georgia
12/01/17 4:29 pm

Are they naturally feminine or are they trying to be a woman?

mark4
12/01/17 4:30 pm

I heard there were schools in San Francisco?

Luftwaffe South of Heaven
12/01/17 4:31 pm

I'd say it's a hormonal imbalance, but usually they pick up those traits from their girl friends.

political Georgia
12/01/17 4:34 pm

Can they fix gayness by injecting some Testosterone?

mark4
12/01/17 4:37 pm

Nah, it makes them spit and scratch their rears with a limp wrist.

Luftwaffe South of Heaven
12/01/17 4:41 pm

No, that just makes the more masculine. I'd assume.

mark4
12/01/17 4:42 pm

ENOUGH! I'm outta here.

Luftwaffe South of Heaven
12/01/17 4:45 pm

I guess Mark was one of those men who walks that way.

Luftwaffe South of Heaven
12/01/17 4:46 pm

Not sure why you're upset.

political Georgia
12/01/17 4:21 pm

As usual, I only ask questions that everyone is wondering.

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crazyjane New Jersey
12/01/17 4:21 pm

Did you read that somewhere?

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political Georgia
12/01/17 4:22 pm

Iļø read it in the diary of the gay men! Kidding....

crazyjane New Jersey
12/01/17 4:35 pm

Did you get an adequate sample size of said journals? Also kidding... or am i? Lolll

political Georgia
12/01/17 4:36 pm

Lol - I didn’t read a journal to recognize a common trait of gays.