Typically, gay men walk with their knees close together and hold their wrists bent. Are these type of gestures caused by social norms within the gay community?
Stereotype. Most gay men cannot be identified from straight men. Some gay men, however, may exaggerate this stereotypic mannerism within the gay community as a means of expressing themselves.
Why am I thinking of that dude from the movie Birdcage? 😂😂😂
I hate that they do that. It's cringy and weird.
I don’t believe that to be true.
It could be a learned behavior, or a hormone imbalance.
A hormone imbalance to make your wrists go limp, what a bullshit idea.
It could cause eliminate behavior in men. Just a thought.
A low testosterone level can possibly cause effeminate behavior but does NOT affect sexual orientation. I don't know what causes attraction but it's not hormones that determine whom you are attracted to, just your sex drive.
Huh ? Never heard that.
No, moreso instinctual body language resulting from lower levels of testosterone
I think it's a misconception to think men attracted to men have low testosterone or think like women (who usually aren't limp wristed either).
Sexual orientation /= sexual identity.
Uh, testosterone creates affinity towards women and estrogen creates affinity towards men, otherwise wouldn't half of animals in nature be gay?
No, both hormones contribute to sex drive and sexual identity / characteristics NOT orientation.
BTW, homosexual behavior is common in animals, too.
Each hormone contributes to sex drive for the opposite respective gender, and there isn't any species of animal where homosexuals make up more than a tiny fraction, of which could probably be explained by hormone disorders
You are simply wrong. Take pygmy chimps (bonobos). Homosexual behavior in those genetically close relatives is extremely common and not dysfunctional :
I don't know why some people feel so uncomfortable acknowledging that some homosexual (or bisexual) behavior is natural and does not endanger the species.
They are born that way, so you have to deal with it.
I have quite a few gay friends and I don’t think this is typical.
Hey, cunt, your 'typical' is missing 'stereo' in front of it.
And yet, this is a common characteristic.
No, it isn’t. But thanks for sharing your ignorance with the lovely audience here at SoH.
What the blazes are you talking about?
That is one of the most ignorant things I have ever read, I hope you are just trying to cause trouble.
If you saw a random guy with these mannerisms, would you not think that he is gay?
No - I would think he was funny.
That’s offensive to many gays.
Sparky, you are the last person I would look to for advice or informed opinion regarding what is or is not insulting to gays.
😂 I’m gay and I don’t walk like that.
Are these not gay mannerisms though?
Only in cartoons.
I cross my legs when I sit . Doesn't mean that I'm gay. Again it's a cultural thing. Not here in the US do you see men wide their legs apart that it takes so much space in metros.
Are they typical? Lots of gay men don’t walk like that.
Nor hold their wrists limp?
If a guy had both of these characteristics, most would believe that the guy is gay. That’s not to say that all gays have these mannerisms of course.
Yes, I see what you are saying. Those characteristics would be seen, right or wrong, as an indication that the person is gay.
It’s a result of those tiny little shoes they wear.
And small hands?
Are you suggesting Trump.is gay?
Just kidding 😁
Well they weren’t born to walk like that.
Social “abnorms” is more accurate.
What I’m stunned to hear is that people claim that I’m small minded for observing that a lot of gays have these characteristics. I thought these were obvious observations.
Some straight guys have effeminate voices or mannerisms, and some gay men do not. As for this knee thing, I’m not familiar with anyone going that.
I’ve known a lot of gays that are like that. Not all by any means but it’s clearly indicative of gay.
If somebody said “over the top flaming” we would all know what they mean. Is that behavior learned, natural, flirtatious.... It’s a legit question.
This is a silly premise and anyone who believes that this is true for gay men in general (yes, there are probably some men like this) is small-minded.
Is it unreasonable to recognize that these characteristics are significantly held by gay men? The argument is not that all gay men hold these characteristics, but if we were to watch a movie that featured a gay guy, the movie director would ensure the actor would carry out the mannerism that are described, correct?
Your word "typically" makes this a wrong premise. You probably see gay men often and don't see them walking around like this. Yes, sometimes gay men are portrayed this way for artistic sake. It might be true for some very effeminate men (gay or not). But it is small-minded to think that gay men in general do this.
The frequency of these mannerisms is not the primary question though. If an observer sees a guy with these characteristics, most will assume that the guy is gay. Are those mannerisms described the result of the person’s environment?
Your question can't be answered when your premise is wrong.
I simply don’t understand how you could reject the notion that these are common mannerisms within the gay community.
Gay doesn’t mean flaming but flaming means gay. Flaming is a subset of gay.
I have never met a straight guy with those flaming mannerisms.
Btw, I apologize to all those offended by the word flaming but it seems descriptive and all my flaming friends would be complimented.
I’m only worried that you know this much about gayness! 😂
The point is, most gay men do not have these characteristics. Some do, yes. But, to assume it is a general characteristic for gay men is small-minded.
So, "typically" makes this a false premise.
Kay, you know I would never disagree with you but I think this is semantics. You are absolutely correct that gay men aren’t typically flaming but I’m still curious about an answer. In Political’s world it may be that all the gay men he knows are like that. Perhaps because it is their way to come out or maybe because it is flirtatious. I wouldn’t know.
Casper, you can disagree with me whenever you want to! 😊😊
Thank you but I have too much respect for you to be on the other side of any issue.
“if we were to watch a movie that featured a gay guy, the movie director would ensure the actor would carry out the mannerism that are described, correct?”
Incorrect. If the director wanted a stereotypical, exaggerated caricature of a gay man he or she might ask for those mannerisms. But they would be understood to not be representative of the “typical” gay man in the real world, and possibly bigoted.
This is a parallel to the ways in which Christians are often portrayed in TV and movies: prudes, intolerant, uptight, arrogant, stupid. Shall we make a poll about the “typical” Christian based on those stereotypes?
Christians make up a much larger population and have a variety of sects. Gays make up 3% of the population, so it’s much easier to show common characteristics in a movie. In other words, this is not an apple to Apple scenario, and furthermore, we all know that this is simply semantics.
The reality that you make a distinction based on the number of people who are included in the group says a lot about you, and none of it good.
Okay, my posts on this topic have been, so far, humorous, an intended insult to the too easily offended.
Seriously,of those men I've known were definitely homosexual, about half exhibited stereotypical mannerisms. But that's the point, isn't it? How many did I never know were homosexual?
I'm sorry, political, is this your own observation? Funniest thing I've read all day 😂
Even liberals make these observations in everyday society
I have a gay friend at school. He walks like everyone else.
What in the world? I have never seen this nor heard of it.
Have you ever heard of “The Bears & the Cubs” ? Big bearded gay guys are the Bears & scrawny short bearded gay men are the Cubs. Lmao 😂
It’s a learned behavior.
I’m gay, and have several gay friends, and none of them walk like that
Do you think it’s a false stereotype?
There are some who are more flamboyant but on the whole just because you’re gay doesn’t really mean you act different than straight people.
But being flamboyant makes a clear statement.
You could probably go to a gay bar and find these common characteristics.
I thought you hated gays, so why are you hanging out in gay bars?
Depends on the bar and who frequents it.
There are a lot of masculine gays, example this biker club:
You'd just not know it seeing them
Both the limp wristed sissy and the burly gay biker are of course extremes and stick out.
The average gay will probably be just an average Joe.
2-4% of the population is gay but I don't see one in 25 men behaving conspicuously.
An all gay biker bar?
Yikes. I’d hate to be the guy who has to mop out those bathrooms.
They probably don’t use a mop 👅
It's only perceived as typical because it stands out.
No idea where it came from but it's surely cultural not genetic how you present your wrist and such.
"Typically..." What lunacy is this?
I lived in San Francisco for years. I lived in a commune where about half the people were gay men, and many of our friends were gay. I visit SF once a year and spend time with some of the same people, see other gay men, and no doubt see numerous other gay men on the street and in stores.
I don't think I've observed any gay man walking *ordinarily* "with their knees close together." Anywhere. *Ever.*
I think there was a certain kind of "theatrical" walk that I've seen among some of the folks I knew who were *theatrical performers*, who weren't even all gay, that might have included something resembling knees held close together. But that had much more to do with theatrics than gayness.
The "hold their wrists bent" thing sounds like an exaggeration of a "limp wrist" affectation that isn't at all predominant among gay men, and isn't even always associated with gayness.
This sounds like something imagined by someone who has been exposed to a single exaggerated example of "gayness" and believes it is representative of all gays; thus, "typically."
Kind of like the stereotypes of Muslims. And liberals. And many other groups.
@Political doesn't get out much.
In normal society, we all recognize that certain people are gay by these common characteristics. Now, this doesn’t mean that these common characteristics is exclusive to all gays, but it “typical” would be an accurate phrasing.
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They just got their ass pounded so of course, they'd walk like that.
Speaking from experience, Luft?
In all seriousness, those are just the feminine ones that mainly do that, to appear, of course, feminine.
No, I am not speaking from experience.
Are they naturally feminine or are they trying to be a woman?
I heard there were schools in San Francisco?
I'd say it's a hormonal imbalance, but usually they pick up those traits from their girl friends.
Can they fix gayness by injecting some Testosterone?
Nah, it makes them spit and scratch their rears with a limp wrist.
No, that just makes the more masculine. I'd assume.
ENOUGH! I'm outta here.
I guess Mark was one of those men who walks that way.
Not sure why you're upset.
As usual, I only ask questions that everyone is wondering.
Did you read that somewhere?
I️ read it in the diary of the gay men! Kidding....
Did you get an adequate sample size of said journals? Also kidding... or am i? Lolll
Lol - I didn’t read a journal to recognize a common trait of gays.