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mtdewbob December 1st, 2017 11:22am

San Francisco found Jose Ines Garcia not guilty of the shooting death of Katie Steinle. A five time illegal immigrant and seven-time convicted felon Jose Ines Garcia of San Francisco but find only guilty of possessing a gun. Who is the victim here?

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mudkip17 United States of Texas
12/01/17 6:47 am

are you saying because he's an illegal he should have been found guilty?

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xxxceo Nationalist
12/01/17 7:17 am

I had to double check the poll question. Where did you even get that?
Your comment is a prime example as to why I just troll you guys most of the time and respond “yes” to something that idiotic.

mtdewbob Arizona
12/01/17 9:41 am

Mudkip, I said it before and it’s worth saying again, you’re dumb as a rock. I give a rats ass that is an illegal, he shot and killed another human being.

mudkip17 United States of Texas
12/01/17 9:44 am

if you don't give a rat's ass if he was an illegal, why is half the poll going over his history as an illegal? obviously it matters to you...

mtdewbob Arizona
12/01/17 4:27 pm

Because people are dying, dumbass!!!! 🙄

mudkip17 United States of Texas
12/01/17 4:40 pm

so it matters that he's illegal because people are dying? he's an illegal ergo her should've gone to jail? people die from gun accidents all the time. had this guy been a citizen would you have cared? much less even heard about it from conservatove media?

mudkip17 United States of Texas
12/01/17 4:41 pm

I ask because I wonder if you really care about a miscarriage of justice or just that an illegal got off on involuntary manslaughter charges

mudkip17 United States of Texas
12/01/17 4:43 pm

which by the way is only like a year in jail... if he had been convicted so you really think a year in jail would have been justice?

GrandmaALiCE For a better 2021
12/02/17 5:47 pm

Obviously, Kate Steinle is the victim here. I don’t think any reasonable person is suggesting otherwise. It’s kind of strange to ask that.

xxx, you question where mudkip “got that” (his opening question to Bob) from the poll.

Bob, you call mudkip dumb for asking his question. Well, here’s what you said.

“A five time illegal immigrant and seven-time convicted felon Jose Ines Garcia of San Francisco but find only guilty of possessing a gun.”

In all fairness, the logic of that question implies, to me, that his immigration status should play into the verdict. It’s the word “but,” after the first part of the sentence.


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GrandmaALiCE For a better 2021
12/02/17 5:54 pm

Go ahead and call me a dumbass, if that’s what you think.

But, I don’t think you are being honest with yourself. “I give a rat’s ass that he’s illegal.” I think you do or else you would have worded the question differently.


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xxxceo Nationalist
12/02/17 5:56 pm

I disagree GA. He’s describing the person that shot her. He *was* an illegal alien, but only Bob knows his true intentions here.

Regardless, it is important due to the fact that but for SF releasing him, allowing him to stay, and the border being weak enough to let him in, Steinle would still be alive.

Nobody is suggesting it’s because he’s illegal but the incompetence of our fed and SFs govt allowed this person to remain and not turn him over plays into this. If laws were followed, she’d be alive. It’s his fault and our govts fault. This was a preventable death.

GrandmaALiCE For a better 2021
12/02/17 5:59 pm

Well, I agree that “only Bob knows his true intentions here.” And I agree that he should not have been here, given his history.

xxxceo Nationalist
12/02/17 6:04 pm

I don’t understand why some people (not you GA) defend his man and decision so aggressively. It’s almost as if they prioritize citizens of other countries over our own.
People on the left sympathize with this man more than the woman who got shot. It makes many on the right question why that is.

mtdewbob Arizona
12/02/17 6:13 pm

GrandmaAlice - I can’t understand why some people as yourself are ok with the innocent dying. It’s as if you rather protect someone who had seven felony convictions, cross the border and was sent back five times. Like I said I could care less that this man is an illegal but I do care that a human life was taken because of this man. Because of this man should not of been in this country in first place but yet took up arms and shot and killed a young woman. You rather protect the murder than the victim. It’s people like yourself that discussed me, because of you who protect the criminal not the victim. People like you are the reason this young lady died.

GrandmaALiCE For a better 2021
12/02/17 6:15 pm

Who have you seen actually defend him?

At most, I’ve seen people say, they were not on the jury and didn’t see the evidence that it was deliberate (as opposed to an accident).

I really don’t know myself. But, that isn’t a defense of Garcia. He killed her (either way) and should suffer some consequence. He also should be deported.


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xxxceo Nationalist
12/02/17 6:18 pm

Alice, the night of the verdict many on here were rubbing it in as of it was a win for the left. In a long thread people were told to “get over it”.

Im not sure how this helps the left as it will spark more calls for a secure border. But so many here seemed ecstatic over the decision. Almost a “nah nah” moment.

mudkip17 United States of Texas
12/02/17 6:20 pm

I didn't see a single post like that... the only ones I've even seen mention it is the right

xxxceo Nationalist
12/02/17 6:22 pm

You may be right Mud. It’s only important to the right to the extent that we made polls about it.
I’m talking about comments within those polls.

GrandmaALiCE For a better 2021
12/02/17 6:22 pm

“GrandmaAlice - I can’t understand why some people as yourself are ok with the innocent dying.”

Please show me where I said it’s ok that Steinle was killed.

“It’s as if you rather protect someone who had seven felony convictions, cross the border and was sent back five times.”

Not at all. Please read my comments to xxx, which I was typing, while you were posting yours. I don’t want to protect him. I never said that.

“You rather protect the murder than the victim. It’s people like yourself that discussed me, because of you who protect the criminal not the victim.”

Again, that’s not what I said.

“People like you are the reason this young lady died.”

Wow! “People like me ...” Ok??


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GrandmaALiCE For a better 2021
12/02/17 6:25 pm

“Alice, the night of the verdict many on here were rubbing it in as of it was a win for the left. In a long thread people were told to “get over it”.

Im not sure how this helps the left as it will spark more calls for a secure border. But so many here seemed ecstatic over the decision. Almost a “nah nah” moment”

xxx, I didn’t see that, but I disagree with them, if they said things like “get over it.” And I agree completely with the rest of your post.


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GrandmaALiCE For a better 2021
12/02/17 6:28 pm

But, context may matter.

For example, see above where Bob thinks I’m defending Garcia and accepting Steinle’s death as “ok,” when I said no such thing.


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xxxceo Nationalist
12/02/17 6:32 pm

I don’t think you’re defending Garcia, Alice. I wish there more reasonable/moderate Dems such as yourself. (Or left-leaning Independents)

Unfortunately a lot of people base their opinions on what’s opposite of their political opponent.
For example, if I blame Garcia, someone will defend him - not because they agree but simply to go against the right. This shouldn’t be a right/left thing.

xxxceo Nationalist
12/02/17 6:33 pm

^ the right is also guilty of the above example.

GrandmaALiCE For a better 2021
12/02/17 6:57 pm

xxx, I agree with 100% of that!

Especially, this particular issue shouldn’t have anything to do with left vs. right.

GrandmaALiCE For a better 2021
12/02/17 6:57 pm

Praet, just below this thread, says it best.

xxxceo Nationalist
12/02/17 7:01 pm

I disagree with Praet only because of the point I brought up earlier. He shouldn’t have been here to begin with.

But respectfully, it’s time for me to start drinking so xxx is out 🤪

Have a good night guys. Play nice with each other. We’re all Americans.

GrandmaALiCE For a better 2021
12/02/17 8:40 pm

Bob, I’m patiently waiting for you to quote where I said I’m ok with the young woman dying OR that I want to protect Garcia.

Or you could apologize for misjudging me, when all I did was question your poll wording.

Somehow, I don’t think you will do either, although I’d love to be wrong about that assumption.


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Praetorianus Fair enough.
12/01/17 6:00 am

Well, is or is he not a killer is all I care about.
If he is, where did the court screw up?

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Ebola1 Florida
12/01/17 5:30 am

The DOJ is now reviewing the verdict so there is hope that some justice will be done.

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Brandon2018 Stocks Are Overvalued
12/01/17 5:20 am

Of course because to California, owning and possessing a gun is worse than killing someone with it. Kate is the obvious victim and it's just disgusting that we are even debating this.

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gluxford1 Arizona
12/01/17 4:30 am

Kate Steinle

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Jazzy5 USA
12/01/17 6:10 am

America loses. We have Americans killed each day by criminal illegals. (That is never reported.)
Do we really need more criminals on our streets, from other nations. We have enough of our own!

mudkip17 United States of Texas
12/01/17 6:54 am

1) since when is ever murder in this country reported? you act like it's a major injustice that not every single crime involving illegals is a travesty...
2) I'm wondering if you have any data to support yours claims that Americans are killed every day by illegals

Jazzy5 USA
12/01/17 6:57 am

A mother on TV, her son was murdered by an Illegal, said it happens every day. Not reported.

mudkip17 United States of Texas
12/01/17 7:03 am

I asked for data, not a single case you heard on the news