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EarlyBird November 22nd, 2017 9:12pm

Studies show that patients who take cannabis, are more likely to stop taking opioids for pain relief. Do you believe it?

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KojimaStudios
11/23/17 4:59 am

So you’re saying that if somebody already has one coping mechanism, they are less likely to use other ones?

I’m pro-legalization but this study is a waste of time.

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cyanospool The Deep North
11/23/17 9:53 am

I don't think it's a waste of time. Cannabis is much weaker as a pain reliever than opiates. The fact that someone suffering chronic pain would choose the weaker relief suggests the kind of relief it gives is different and perhaps offers more long term pain reduction. It suggests there's something specific about how cannabis interacts with pain processing in the brain that isn't simply nerve dampening like opiates.

Ebola1 Florida
11/23/17 10:15 am

Opioids actually work centrally in the brain 🧠.

cyanospool The Deep North
11/23/17 10:18 am

You're right, my mistake. But I seem to remember that cannabinoids and opiates do use different pathways to reducing pain.

Ebola1 Florida
11/23/17 10:20 am

You’re probably right on that.

KojimaStudios
11/23/17 5:32 pm

I read the question wrong initially. I didn’t catch that it seems to imply that cannibus is being used to get people off opioids.

catpillow Florida West Coast
11/22/17 8:20 pm

I do believe it. My husband just began medical marijuana a couple of weeks ago for migraines. It has seriously reduced the intensity, frequency, and duration of his pain. If it affects others the same way it affects him, they wouldn’t have as much need for pain killers.

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catpillow Florida West Coast
11/22/17 8:21 pm

I should point out that he never took opioids.

missmorganmarie ...
11/22/17 10:33 pm

I'm so glad to hear it's working for him

catpillow Florida West Coast
11/22/17 10:50 pm

Thanks. We really have something to be thankful for. I just hope it keeps on working.

Ebola1 Florida
11/23/17 7:16 am

I hope it continues to help him! Does he require opioids at times for his headaches?

cherry111
11/22/17 5:08 pm

I’m not sold.

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jenkp223 Being a mommy
11/22/17 5:07 pm

Cannabis > opioids

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gonzoboy Arizona
11/22/17 4:36 pm

I want to believe

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jlong105 Indiana
11/22/17 4:34 pm

Studies show that cannabis cures everything and has absolutely no side affects.

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cyanospool The Deep North
11/23/17 9:58 am

I've been using cannabis for a while and admittedly there are side effects. Since it's a vasodilater I get dehydrated easier without noticing. Also using frequently definitely impacts short term memory after a while. But I've noticed that if I stick to just 1-2x per week, my memory is actually better. That said, these are ridiculously benign effects compared to opiates. And I will never touch opiates in my life.

Ebola1 Florida
11/23/17 10:13 am

Are you using it for pain?

cyanospool The Deep North
11/23/17 10:15 am

Nope, for nausea (due to a GI issue) and recreationally.

Ebola1 Florida
11/22/17 4:30 pm

No. I’ve never seen a patient on opioids who stopped while using pot. They generally just use both together.

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Rosalie Care A Lot
11/22/17 5:32 pm

What if they were given pot instead of opioids?

Ebola1 Florida
11/22/17 5:41 pm

Idk. I haven’t seen any studies where pain has been treated with pot alone.

Rosalie Care A Lot
11/22/17 6:12 pm

Not even on cancer patients?

Ebola1 Florida
11/22/17 7:25 pm

In my experience most cancer patients are treated with pot to combat the side effects of chemotherapy, usually nausea and vomiting and not the pain itself. Pain caused by malignancy is not usually counted as a part of the opioid epidemic stats. It is the prescription of opioids for non malignant pain that is of most concern.

Rosalie Care A Lot
11/23/17 1:27 am

Bone cancer is very painful. My aunt was miserable.

Ebola1 Florida
11/23/17 7:14 am

I’m sorry to hear about your aunt. Bone cancer is one of the most painful malignancies. Did she use marijuana to ease her pain or other discomfort?

Rosalie Care A Lot
11/24/17 11:48 am

Thank you. No. It wasn't legal. She was on strong pain pills and they made her weak and tired. She had trouble getting any rest without them though. It was heartbreaking to watch her decline. She was a very active lady, a second Mom.

Louderthebetter
11/22/17 4:15 pm

Hmmm, substituting one for another🤔
I’ve seen this concept.
Is MJ less problematic, yes.
Opioids are a big problem, sad.

However, I’ve seen pot be a huge problem for a couple of folks, ya know on the bong 20, 30x a day? And yes for them it was a gateway drug. It was, sorry folks🤷🏻‍♀️
I’m not anti-weed at all, it’s not my thing but to each their own.

The need to escape whether it’s alcohol, weed, opioids or cigs....this is the question at hand. Addiction levels can be subjective. God I’ve watched alcohol destroy families, who hasn’t?

Do happy healthy kids from happy healthy homes start smoking weed at 12 or 13? I say NO. Maybe I live in a fairytale🧚🏼‍♀️
Sorry to ramble on, solid question.
Happy🦃

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omniku dot com
11/22/17 4:13 pm

But also more likely to abuse burritos and it can be a gateway for dangerous, socially isolating lifestyle practices like hacky sack or (shudder) devil’s sticks.

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EarlyBird Portland
11/22/17 5:59 pm

Made me lol. You win.

Zod Above Pugetropolis
11/22/17 4:04 pm

I do. I've known a lot of stoners, and while some of them were also part-time drunks, none seemed to have any interest in other drugs except maybe the occasional mushroom or tab of acid. But it makes sense. Why take addictive, dangerous, or expensive drugs to feel better if you already feel pretty good?

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FATSHADOW Cyborg Gorilla
11/22/17 3:22 pm

That fact that half a Percocet (even with my 260lb frame) gives me a stomach ache and itch like crazy is enough for me not to take opioids.

Im not interested in cannibis either, but its already the better choice for a guy like me.

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aj1545 Cat Lady
11/23/17 1:21 am

Damn I cant get over that. At 120 pounds it maaybe took an edge off.

FATSHADOW Cyborg Gorilla
11/23/17 3:15 am

Im a big baby when it comes to meds. Its so funny to watch. Im such a “manly” guy, but I have the tolerance of a toddler for most meds.

I get slightly drowsy from dayquil. 🤣

If I take NyQuil its a race against time to get to bed bc in 12mins Im out cold.

EarlyBird Portland
11/22/17 3:07 pm

Getting people off opioids is a good thing.

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Squidboy Snarkapottamus
11/22/17 2:45 pm

Wow, imagine that! Perhaps marijuana could solve the opioid crisis! Talk about synergy!

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Squidboy Snarkapottamus
11/22/17 2:45 pm

Big pharma will fight this to the death

voc I am...what I am
11/22/17 5:04 pm

They already are

Squidboy Snarkapottamus
11/22/17 6:30 pm

The private prison industry doesn’t want it either. And in the Netherlands......they are shutting down prisons for lack of prisoners.

mpurple oh no. trump won.
11/22/17 2:19 pm

Weed needs to be legalized. Period.

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polster2 US
11/22/17 2:15 pm

Correlation is not causation, and substituting one illegal drug for another doesn’t really have me dancing in the streets.

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Domino3 Abolish the ATF
11/22/17 2:19 pm

One is natural and has hardly any side effects other than hungry, happy, sleepy

ovcourse Alzheimer Joe
11/22/17 2:23 pm

And if you use one, you are more likely to use the other.

polster2 US
11/22/17 2:27 pm

There are negative effects to using cannabis. These include lack of ambition, impaired thinking and difficulty completing tasks, lower life satisfaction, addiction, and relationship problems. Plus, when cannabis use starts in teenage years, IQ can decline by as many as 8 points.

Domino3 Abolish the ATF
11/22/17 2:30 pm

And what are the side effects of opioids

polster2 US
11/22/17 2:32 pm

They’re irrelevant. Nobody should start using illegal drugs in the first place.

WorstGooEver Nuke the Hurricanes
11/22/17 3:10 pm

Illegal is not the same as dangerous.

WorstGooEver Nuke the Hurricanes
11/22/17 3:10 pm

Let’s just make it legal. Problem solved.

polster2 US
11/22/17 3:11 pm

That’s correct. There are legal substances that are just as dangerous, if not more so. The question is whether we should tolerate any substance of abuse being legal.

WorstGooEver Nuke the Hurricanes
11/22/17 3:20 pm

Who is talking about abuse? Opioids are addictive. Marijuana is not.

WorstGooEver Nuke the Hurricanes
11/22/17 3:20 pm

Opioids will kill you if you take too much. Marijuana will put you to sleep. There is no equivalence.

polster2 US
11/22/17 3:22 pm

There doesn’t have to be equivalence. There just has to be more harm than good for each substance.

WorstGooEver Nuke the Hurricanes
11/22/17 3:39 pm

Sounds like a great argument for marijuana use to relieve pain.

polster2 US
11/22/17 3:45 pm

The costs far outweigh the benefits for marijuana and opioids.

WorstGooEver Nuke the Hurricanes
11/22/17 4:39 pm

What are the costs of legalizing marijuana?

polster2 US
11/22/17 4:41 pm

More impaired driving deaths, a lazier and less ambitious populace, and more addicted people.

WorstGooEver Nuke the Hurricanes
11/22/17 5:07 pm

Zero addicted people, less money on the failing war on drugs, more tax income for roads and schools, less children with parents in jail, far fewer criminal drug dealers.

polster2 US
11/22/17 5:21 pm

Marijuana is addictive.

Rosalie Care A Lot
11/22/17 6:13 pm

Addiction to marijuana is rare compared to addiction to alcohol.

xxxceo Nationalist
11/22/17 7:26 pm

I hate to agree with Polster on anything. I’m going to have to start smoking pot now.