What do you think is the moral cutoff for abortion when both the mother and the fetus are healthy? (If you don't support abortion in any circumstance, please select "8 wks or before.")
That's between the woman and her beliefs. It's not my place to judge others.
At the point, the fetus can survive outside of the womb. This, of course, has changed as neonatal care has improved. If at any point carrying to term puts the mother in grave danger of survival. Then an emergency c-section or ETP could be performed.
I believe the essence of a human being is in the brain. Until the baby has a brain (about the 7th week) I think it's acceptable.
The point at which the baby could survive outside the womb makes sense to me.
Depends on what you determine healthy
Until birth. I don't put any value on unborn life.
I don’t believe in abortion at any time.
My wife & I knew a young couple who frequented one of our Businesses. They were Catholic and attended a church @ Norte Dame in Lakewood, CO close by. They went in for a 26 week check up and to have embryonic fluid evaluated. They came in one day crying because their tests said that the baby would be born brain dead and had numerous other problems. They declined an abortion and the baby is now a great young man of 14 years old and on the honor role. He’s the oldest in their family of 6 kids.
Wonderful. Thanks for sharing.
That’s a nice story, but I am unsure of the point.
Only through the first trimester.
That requires biology. I'll let women decide.
It’s a false premise. There is no “moral cutoff” for murdering children.
16 weeks is reasonable to me
2 weeks after birth.
What does that mean?
Once the baby is born abortion is acceptable for another 2 weeks. 3 for special circumstances.
Do you support the death penalty?
Hell no. That's barbaric.
You had me going. 😅
Haha nice... I was hoping you'd ask me what the special circumstances were, I would have said if the baby was ugly.
To me, abortion is a property rights issue. It's permissible to terminate at any time during the pregnancy.
So you don't buy Benatar's arguments on abortion?
Just a clarifying question. Are babies property?
It's been a while since I last read Better Never to Have Been...what's Benatar's exact stance on abortion? I know he describes himself as "pro-death" rather than pro-choice.
Benatar says that abortion is moral up until the point consciousness arises, when the fetus is sentient. He referred to brain studies that show when fetuses feel pain (no earlier than 28-30 weeks).
I disagree, even if I throw out the property rights argument. From a negative utilitarian perspective, abortion is morally acceptable even if the fetus can feel some pain. That small amount of suffering pales in comparison to the suffering that the average person experiences over a lifetime.
I don't support abortion at any time, but some women don't even know they're pregnant before 8 weeks.
I do not support abortion at any time.
So a mother is 6 months pregnant and is having trouble breathing. She goes in for a checkup and finds out there is a tumor that is affecting her breathing and her heart. If it continues to grow it will kill the fetus. If they abort the baby they can remove the tumor and possibly save the mother. Still against abortion?
If the mother is 6 months along, then aborting makes even less sense. 6 months means 26 or 27 weeks so the baby’s odds of survival if they have a c-section are between 80 and 90%. After the baby is born, then treat the mother.
The mother can’t survive the stress of a c section.
What if this? What if that?
There will always be exceptions to rules.
You’re the one that said you don’t support abortion at any time.
It’s for the mother to decide.
All abortion is murder.