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Enough of you with that attitude, you won't have to worry about individual liberty. By the way, the decline of the Roman Empire began when citizens thought themselves too good to serve in the Navy or the Legions.

People don't think they're too good. It's quite the opposite. People think if they don't go to college they'll be unemployed become homeless and die. It's that drastic.

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Finny, you really have to stop listening to the Democrats and their lying Media lackeys. President Trump is doing great things because he has management expertise. If he gets the tax reduction that he wants, just as happened under Kennedy and Reagan, our economy will get a great shot in the arm. I have no idea of what the Democrats stand for anymore. Their goal seems to be only to regain the power that they totally misused and abused. Our big cities are all controlled by Democrats who only know how to mis-manage. I am a cynical retired engineering manager who has not been this enthusiastic about the future of our Country for a very long time!

I'm not listening to Democrats? I'm going off the generational difference and how many friends and people I know who've tried to kill themselves because they thought they wouldn't get into a good college.

I'm not saying there's merit to the claim that if you don't go to college that you'll become homeless and die, I'm saying that's what a lot of this generation THINKS it's their MINDSET.

Nor do I prescribe to group think (just because I'm a conservative I'm going to agree with all of them and their notions - no)

Nor do I think that it's due to "softness". The expectations and demands have raised due to advancing technology and feminization of society. The students aren't soft, the society is becoming soft.

Though, I do believe it imposes on liberty to demand service thus I don't think this is the right way to "harden" students / young folks

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It would actually be another demand and barrier to the childhood this generation never got as it's all about college and protection from a very young age.

We have no time to be kids because parents have sheltered us and forced us into programs for our "benefit" to get into college - sports, volunteer, clubs, school, extra programs, etc.


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Finny, I was trying, in a possibly awkward way, to suggest that there is more reason for optimism than pessimism. You are correct in questioning the need for college. We have too many lawyers in this Country and not enough skilled technicians with AAS degrees. If you do something that you like to do, you will do it well. If you worry about things that you cannot control, you are wasting time and effort. When I was working in Colorado, we had assembly line employees who had Forestry degrees from CSU. Unfortunately, nobody had counseled them that their major would lead them to an overcrowded field. Pushing a child toward a field that holds no attraction for him or her, is a disservice. Many people, without degrees, have done well for themselves, simply by working for, and growing with a startup company. Don't panic. Be alert for opportunities!

I don't think you're understanding my point at all

Switzerland has done pretty well with the approach and Hitler never considered conquering them!

Agree..amen! That’s what my husband said..

Don't sugar-coat it Squid. Tell us how you really feel. =)

I also agree whole-heartedly.

The Navy changed my life for the good. We used to say service will make you or break you.

Same for me Harry.

Same, except I went the Army route...

Do you think that happened in WWII? At the start of the Civil War, troops could only march ten miles a day. By the end, they routinely marched thirty miles a day.

I do. Conscription causes resentment, and resentment is toxic to the team dynamic.

A strong democracy cannot tolerate citizenry that would not fight to support it. "A people who value security over liberty deserve neither." - B. Franklin. "The United States can only be defeated from within." - A. Lincoln. The next time you need help, ask a "Snowflake"!

Agreed

Somehow @Prince, I suspect someone of your quality would avoid the draft by moving to Canada.

You'd suspect wrong. My ancestors sent two men to reunite the union and three men to gain its independence. if we're in such desperate straits again I'd serve if called.

My apologies, Lee told Grant that if he had as many Irish under his command as Grant, he would have won the war.

I'm not Irish...I'm descended from Englishmen. Puritans specifically on my mother's side.