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MachoMatt84 November 14th, 2017 4:47am

It appears some expect criminals to take personal responsibility for their actions, but don't expect women who get abortions, men who impregnate those women, welfare recipients, or homeless to do the same. Am I reading that correct?

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Tariq88 Utah
11/14/17 11:13 am

Everyone should take responsibility on their part period, however does not excuse helping the homeless even even if they caused it themselves, nor does excuse the fact some people really need assistance including welfare. Men who impregnate women need to take responsibility and it's a good thing not a burden. The abortion thing I have no big opinion on because that is such an on going debate.

abusara i drink and i know things
11/14/17 7:02 am

Hell there are some that think it's okay to brag about grabbing women by the pussy and for 30+ year old men to date teenage girls so long as they get permission from the girls mother.

So nothing you list surprises me.

cowboy Doors of Perception
11/14/17 5:42 am

Yes. Liberalism is a mental disorder.

11/14/17 5:23 am

If evangelicals taught drivers ed:

Remember, the best way to not get into an accident is to never drive. Here are your licenses.

Shazam Scaramouche, OH
11/14/17 4:27 am

A compelling argument could be made that a woman or man getting an abortion bc they cannot afford the child is taking responsibility and making a responsible not emotional one. Homelessness depends on driver. Mental illness may alleviate personal accountability depending on severity. Choosing to be homeless -while much more socially unacceptable- is no difference at its core than going "off grid." For those who were driven to homelessness and those on welfare, you are equating preparation and accountability with assured victory. Similar to a person who takes steps for crime prevention, but is victimized anyhow, financial accountability does not guarantee financial security. In this sense, assuming the homeless/welfare recipients lare irresponsible is no dif than assuming a raped woman is a slut who asked for it.


Praetorianus Fair enough.
11/14/17 4:38 am

Well, I agree with much of it except the pregnancy issue.
There are reliable contraceptives as well as sexual techniques that don't lead to pregnancy.

Praetorianus Fair enough.
11/14/17 4:41 am

PS: I found an exception where you aren't completely responsible for your actions: severe mental illness like paranoid schizophrenia.
Though you could argue that, since it's a gradual onset, you're responsible to get help once you feel it developing.

Shazam Scaramouche, OH
11/14/17 4:42 am

Sure. And there's reliable security systems for your home. A gun owner would argue that might not be enough.

kscott516 Masks fail
11/14/17 5:12 am

What makes a security system reliable? That it is set off? What if the intruder doesn’t care and enters the home anyway? Security systems can only function as audible deterrents. The police will arrive too late to save you and your family.

Shazam Scaramouche, OH
11/14/17 10:35 am

KS - totally depending on your budget. Could have barred windows, bullet proof, filled cinder blocks, reinforced doors and automatic stainless steel shutters.

On the flip side, you could have a bad batch of rounds, a gun jam, or something in your eye at the time.

At what point does "personal responsibility" end exactly?


kscott516 Masks fail
11/14/17 10:39 am

And what of those that don’t have the money for a security system, monthly monitoring, barred windows, reinforced walls, etc? Are their lives not worth protecting?

A firearm gives them a fighting chance at a reasonable cost.

Shazam Scaramouche, OH
11/14/17 10:43 am

Not my problem. It's clearly (like homelessness and welfare) a question of personal accountability. You made the choice not to study harder, work longer hours, and sacrifice your personal for professional career. Take some responsibility for not being as successful as me!


kscott516 Masks fail
11/14/17 11:41 am

Having a firearm is taking “personal responsibility”.

Getting an abortion is not, considering that if you weren’t prepared financially or otherwise, then you shouldn’t be having sex, especially without protection. “Personal responsibility” means knowing what the consequences of unprotected sex are and taking appropriate action. Abortion is the result of a lack of responsibility.

FacePalm That Trick Never Works
11/13/17 11:22 pm

Are you seriously going to poll a “whaboutism” ?

Logic FAIL.

MachoMatt84 Privileged to serve.
11/14/17 7:29 pm

Seems like a double standard. Debatable, of course, but double standard.

TomLaney1 Jesus is Lord
11/13/17 10:32 pm

100% correct. Disgusting, but true.

TomLaney1 Jesus is Lord
11/14/17 10:30 am

I read them. Like Praet and kscott, I take a couple exceptions, but you make some good points. 😃

MachoMatt84 Privileged to serve.
11/13/17 9:52 pm

Individual responsibility and accountability goes all directions.

Praetorianus Fair enough.
11/13/17 10:28 pm

Exactly, you are responsible for all your actions, and your pregnancy or residential status etc are no excuse.
You can even be a drug addict and are still responsible, say, for the car accident you caused while high.

MachoMatt84 Privileged to serve.
11/13/17 9:48 pm

These three polls inspired by @political

bower8899 ...
11/13/17 10:41 pm

Of course they are