Most men struggle with lust. As women’s breasts are sexualized features, is it inconsiderate for women to wear clothing that shows a lot of cleavage in a public setting?
Won't lie, it's called self-control and we're talking about all this shit, because many don't practice it enough.
That goes for both sexes.
No, but it also shouldn't be considered inconsiderate when the men stare
If a man is struggling to that degree he needs to get professional help.
Haha, I’ll manage.
No. Being attracted to a woman is no excuse for behaving badly. Men need to learn that women are not objects but real persons worthy of respect.
Absolutely it is. Dont dress like a fucking slut if you dont want to be hit on. Simple as that. Seriously, I give up on all women cuz of this shit, it pisses me the fuck off!!
Oh, and FUCK FEMINAZISM!!
If you accept the premise that lust is bad, then I suppose the answer is yes.
It's not inconsiderate, but it's certainly slutty and in poor taste.
The correct answer is “Yes.”
Roll out the burkas!
What the shit? Fuck no.
No. We as Americans must get over the taboo that naked female breasts are sexual. Their function is to hold mammary glands for feeding offspring.
Too many men think only with their dick
Too many women think only with their feelings.
No, Regardless we have to do our part and mind our business.
It’s passive-aggressive to show excessive cleavage and then feign disinterest or shock at it being noted in any way. Women can see their own cleavage any time, so putting it in view of others is clearly for the benefit of others.
That’s not shaming the victim, it’s understanding the natural consequence of a choice.
If you don’t want to be ogled or even hit on, keep it covered.
It’s really quite simple.
It's not inconsiderate because women shouldn't have to cover themselves due to men's lust. However, if a women wears something that makes a sexualized feature such a breasts so obvious or "out there" she shouldn't blame the men for staring or making comments so long as it doesn't turn into harassment or assault
Hey, we agree on this.
If a woman wears revealing clothing she should expect men to make a pass. Forcefullness and assault are the man's fault though
Finally something 😂
Women should be free to wear, and not wear what they please, dammit. Control your own goddamn sexuality if you want to be repressed, you have no right to oppress anyone else...Claude. This is the United States, not Saudi Arabia.
On behalf of women and sensible men for that matter....
This poll is unrelated to any US law.
Regardless, women shouldn't cover up because *you* are repressing your own sexuality to such an extent that mere cleavage gets you horny in a public setting.
If you're having that problem....
I don’t think I want to open any link from you.
Just a picture of a guy with lube. I agree, you probably are one of those who doesn't masturbate but it's something that's healthy lol
I wish that were true.
The masturbating part
It's healthy, ok.
FWIW, I checked the links. They're safe political.
No, women should wear what they want to wear, as long as it’s legal.
I don’t think this is a legality question unless you are saying that the law determines morality for you on this issue.
I set a personal standard to dress modestly in regards to cleavage, but I don't think it is inconsiderate in general for women who show it. It would become inconsiderate when in the personal company of someone who (a boss, boyfriend, husband, teacher, etc) for whatever reason is uncomfortable by it and has expressed that.
That person who is uncomfortable could be a man or woman...doesn't matter.
Why do women have to dress for men’s comfort?
Or more precisely, why should a woman have to dress for a man’s comfort?
Why do some women who show cleavage get angry when they catch a guy starting at her boobs?
I have no idea, but it is not really relevant to my question.
Because it's a dick move to stare at anybody
True, quick glances, use sunglases, other tricks to look but not look..
It's a dick move to deliberately show off cleavage and not expect any extra attention or glances. I don't condone rape or sexual assault, but if you've got the Grand Canyon showed off and a guy starts flirting with you and asking you out to dinner you can't just be like "oh, I didn't want this, he's harassing me, I'm innocent, someone fire him". Guys see deep cleavage like that as a girl who *wants* a little extra attention and glances. Otherwise, why is she flaunting what she *knows* is a sexually desirable asset?
Matt - your tirade is full of language that illustrates why so many women respond by saying: teach boys that women are not just sexual objects.
“deliberately” “Flaunting” “knows”
Many women find a man in a uniform desirable, or a fit guy working out in the gym. Shall we require that those men behave modestly, perhaps work out in a burka? Maybe we need to redesign suits so as not to emphasize the broadness of a man’s shoulders, or accuse those who choose to wear fitted jeans as “asking” for the attention they may get? Better yet - lets all wear extra large potato sacks with hoops around the middle to camouflage our forms entirely.
Oh, but then we have eyes! Eyes are the windows to the soul and speak with a look, I hear. Dark shades for everyone!!
Both of you are correct
And despite all that, it does not address my question: Why should any woman choose her wardrobe based on any stranger’s “comfort”?
We choose what we wear to get others to look at us in whatever way we want them to.
I choose what I wear based on how I look to me.
If I want more respect I dress up nicer, if I want looks from the ladies, well, I usually dress up nicer for that too. Or colors that bring out my eyes.
Dress for the kind of attention you want from others and are comfortable with. You are right that many women things broad shoulders and men in uniform attractive. Many guys work on those features or become servicemen, fireman, police officers, or other sexually attractive things partly to attract the attention of women. We know that. Women do the same thing. Most people like to appear at least somewhat attractive to others.
I am not arguing that most people do not like to feel attractive to another person (of their choice). Obviously they do. But, it is chauvinistic to suggest that a woman has to dress more modestly, especially if she is well endowed, in order to avoid exciting lust in some man because it makes him “uncomfortable”.
Women feel just as lustful, we simply have been taught to handle it, like grownups.
Really? Why are most of the teachers that get caught in sexual relationships with students women?
I think that's more about the high school boys wanting to get with the teacher more than high school girls do.
But it's the responsibility of the teacher still to stop it. I guess the women can't control it?
Those women clearly couldn’t and they are viewed as being in the wrong by most other women. WE do not make excuses for them by asserting that clearly 13-year old or high school age boys need to dress and behave more modestly.
I don’t know, it depends on the setting. I expect to see cleavage on a beach. So don’t go to a beach if you can’t control yourself. On the other hand, it looks unprofessional for women to wear skimpy clothing in most business settings.
An individual should not have to change them self so another individual can control themselves.
When did we stop teaching personal responsibility?
"If women don't want to be sexually assaulted, they shouldn't wear skimpy clothing"
This is a very dangerous attitude. Control your sexuality, you're fine
And who said this?
You were implying it
Nope - but you wanted me to imply this.
You see, the problem with feminists is that a conservative will make a reasonable statement that women should dress modestly. Somewhere in the process, a feminist will twist this to mean that conservative primarily blame the victim for being assaulted.
How did you vote on my previous poll?
I'm sorry then.
I voted yes.
Although she should dump his ass and get a cute gf
You see, Sally can legally order a drink, but that would be inconsiderate. I don’t see how this scenario is any different.
Wearing skimpy clothing isn't inconsiderate to anybody though
It’s inconsiderate to men who are struggling to resist lust. I could add that it’s inconsiderate to herself because she will become an object in men’s minds. It’s anything but empowering. Nevertheless, I wanted to focus on a point that is not often addressed, and that’s provocative clothing only tempts men to have lustful thoughts and makes it harder for men to apply self-control. When I say self-control, that’s not limited yet not necessarily includes violating women’s individual rights.
Oh my god this is the most blatant straw man I've ever seen. Why do all leftists have to manufacture fake enemies?
Political, again, men don't "struggle" with lust. Just control yourself, it's not that god damn hard. Jack off once in a while maybe.
It is impowering, giving women the choice.
How do you know that men don’t struggle with lust? Geez...feminist claim that men know nothing about pregnancies and such, but they are all knowing about how men are wired...
Good point political.
"You can't have an opinion on abortion because you're not a woman."
"I know how men think"
If you're going to use dipshit feminist buzzwords at least learn how to spell them.
Right, speaking of straw men.
And political, if you really are so lustful you can't resist assaulting women you need help. Right now.
I love sexually assaulting women though. Why do I need to stop?
Can't tell if you're joking or not :/
Then now we know that you aren't really mature or intelligent enough for debate on this app.
I have autism. It's hard for me to get sarcasm even in real life when you have vocal queues to go off of.
Plus, you have said some pretty irredeemable things here
Umm...I have never come close to assaulting a woman or anyone for that matter. Why are we back to assault again? Is it too hard to understand that some people try to avoid sins such as lust?
I have Down's Syndrome, that's no excuse.
Really, Carcano, really 😒
And political, I'm sure God will understand.
I'm offended that you don't believe me. What do you think Down's Syndrome people can't type as well as I do?
I'm done, carcano. I'm done
Wow, just wow.
I can't fucking tell if you're joking. This is exactly what I'm fucking talking about
You're just discriminatory. Very sad and disturbing.
Just like your alcohol poll, of course not. People are adults and can make their own decisions regardless of other people’s.
At least, you have a level of consistency.
Reading your comments, it appears that we have an agreement on this matter. Is that so?
Well, I voted yes on both polls.
What’s your opinion on the matter as a whole?
Well, I believe that it would be inconsiderate to order a drink while dining with an alcoholic because you don’t want to be a bad influence on someone who has struggled with alcohol before.
I believe that lust is harmful. It creates unreasonable expectations for your wife/husband, and from a Biblical perspective, it simply pollutes your heart. In today’s society, men are sexually attracted to boobies. I hope that men are striving to control their lust, and as a result, I hope that women do not tempt men.
...women do not tempt men into sin.
I think it'd be pretty great if everyone dressed modestly. That'd be nice.
The idea that men cannot control their sexuality is bullshit. You see women all day. If you don’t have consent you keep it in your pants the end.
I don’t know if anyone the assertion that men are incapable of self control. It’s strikingly odd that no wonder suggested that the alcoholic (the poll before this) couldn’t resist the urge to drink, but before the conversation gets going good, we already have the assumption that men cannot have self-control.
The parallel lies on your own preconceived idea of entitlement. If I want to order a beer because I see one I am entitled to that. If I want someone’s tits because I see them I am not entitled to that.
And the implication that women should cover up is inherently an assertion about a lack of self control.
I think it's time to change your name to
You aren’t “entitled” to have a beer, but yes, I see your point, and it’s not a very good one. You somehow believed that lust will always lead to lawfully violating someone’s individual rights. That’s usually not the case.
If it doesn’t lead to anything what is the problem. If you like the way somebody looks you can always just sit there and shut the fuck up.
If you don’t believe lust outside of a marital relationship is harmful, then that’s simply a conversation for another day.
Just enjoying the scenery God put on this earth
Yes. They’re wanting people to gawk at them and think sexual thoughts about them. It’s very inconsiderate to purposely temp people to do this.
Correct, Okie’s Mom does this all the time.
Not at all, they are lucky as it's easy for them to show off their assets.
Yeah, if I tried to show off the base of my tree trunk out in public I'd be considered a disgusting pervert.
"Tree trunk" more like twig.
Oh shit 😂
Twig? I look nothing like Donald Trump