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political November 14th, 2017 1:38am

Most men struggle with lust. As women’s breasts are sexualized features, is it inconsiderate for women to wear clothing that shows a lot of cleavage in a public setting?

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Maynard Londor
11/16/17 5:24 pm

Won't lie, it's called self-control and we're talking about all this shit, because many don't practice it enough.

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Maynard Londor
11/16/17 5:24 pm

That goes for both sexes.

PresWK Minnesota
11/14/17 8:09 pm

No, but it also shouldn't be considered inconsiderate when the men stare

jlong105 Indiana
11/14/17 4:10 pm

If a man is struggling to that degree he needs to get professional help.

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liam2013 iowa
11/14/17 9:12 am

No. Being attracted to a woman is no excuse for behaving badly. Men need to learn that women are not objects but real persons worthy of respect.

ProFreedomBruhh
11/14/17 8:49 am

Absolutely it is. Dont dress like a fucking slut if you dont want to be hit on. Simple as that. Seriously, I give up on all women cuz of this shit, it pisses me the fuck off!!

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ProFreedomBruhh
11/14/17 8:49 am

Oh, and FUCK FEMINAZISM!!

ZaQ777 Pittsburgh
11/14/17 7:23 am

If you accept the premise that lust is bad, then I suppose the answer is yes.

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gluxford1 Arizona
11/13/17 11:48 pm

It's not inconsiderate, but it's certainly slutty and in poor taste.

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TomLaney1 Jesus is Lord
11/13/17 10:35 pm

The correct answer is “Yes.”

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mitchman399 Oregon
11/14/17 10:40 am

Roll out the burkas!

osouless Whats Next
11/13/17 10:25 pm

What the shit? Fuck no.

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Diogenes FreeMeBe
11/13/17 9:24 pm

No. We as Americans must get over the taboo that naked female breasts are sexual. Their function is to hold mammary glands for feeding offspring.

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BlackC
11/13/17 8:55 pm

Too many men think only with their dick

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MachoMatt84 Mountain climbing
11/13/17 9:43 pm

Too many women think only with their feelings.

Tariq88 Utah
11/13/17 8:49 pm

No, Regardless we have to do our part and mind our business.

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queenb2000 Auburn Township, OH
11/13/17 8:10 pm

It’s passive-aggressive to show excessive cleavage and then feign disinterest or shock at it being noted in any way. Women can see their own cleavage any time, so putting it in view of others is clearly for the benefit of others.

That’s not shaming the victim, it’s understanding the natural consequence of a choice.

If you don’t want to be ogled or even hit on, keep it covered.

It’s really quite simple.

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Liberty 4,032,064
11/13/17 7:51 pm

Inconsiderate? No.
Inappropriate? Probably.

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Finny Conservative Lesbian
11/13/17 7:50 pm

It's not inconsiderate because women shouldn't have to cover themselves due to men's lust. However, if a women wears something that makes a sexualized feature such a breasts so obvious or "out there" she shouldn't blame the men for staring or making comments so long as it doesn't turn into harassment or assault

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bower8899 ...
11/13/17 8:09 pm

Hey, we agree on this.

If a woman wears revealing clothing she should expect men to make a pass. Forcefullness and assault are the man's fault though

Finny Conservative Lesbian
11/13/17 8:15 pm

Finally something πŸ˜‚

PrinceOberyn Vive LEmpereur
11/13/17 7:28 pm

Women should be free to wear, and not wear what they please, dammit. Control your own goddamn sexuality if you want to be repressed, you have no right to oppress anyone else...Claude. This is the United States, not Saudi Arabia.

On behalf of women and sensible men for that matter....

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political Georgia
11/13/17 7:30 pm

This poll is unrelated to any US law.

PrinceOberyn Vive LEmpereur
11/13/17 7:51 pm

Regardless, women shouldn't cover up because *you* are repressing your own sexuality to such an extent that mere cleavage gets you horny in a public setting.

If you're having that problem....

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political Georgia
11/13/17 8:01 pm

I don’t think I want to open any link from you.

bower8899 ...
11/13/17 8:10 pm

Just a picture of a guy with lube. I agree, you probably are one of those who doesn't masturbate but it's something that's healthy lol

political Georgia
11/13/17 8:30 pm

I wish that were true.

bower8899 ...
11/13/17 8:31 pm

What part?

political Georgia
11/13/17 8:34 pm

The masturbating part

bower8899 ...
11/13/17 8:42 pm

It's healthy, ok.

MachoMatt84 Mountain climbing
11/13/17 8:46 pm

FWIW, I checked the links. They're safe political.

RussianThunder Russia and USA
11/13/17 7:20 pm

No, women should wear what they want to wear, as long as it’s legal.

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political Georgia
11/13/17 7:23 pm

I don’t think this is a legality question unless you are saying that the law determines morality for you on this issue.

Kay41 the Midwest
11/13/17 7:02 pm

I set a personal standard to dress modestly in regards to cleavage, but I don't think it is inconsiderate in general for women who show it. It would become inconsiderate when in the personal company of someone who (a boss, boyfriend, husband, teacher, etc) for whatever reason is uncomfortable by it and has expressed that.

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Kay41 the Midwest
11/13/17 7:03 pm

That person who is uncomfortable could be a man or woman...doesn't matter.

FacePalm That Trick Never Works
11/13/17 7:01 pm

Why do women have to dress for men’s comfort?

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FacePalm That Trick Never Works
11/13/17 7:04 pm

Or more precisely, why should a woman have to dress for a man’s comfort?

MachoMatt84 Mountain climbing
11/13/17 7:05 pm

Why do some women who show cleavage get angry when they catch a guy starting at her boobs?

FacePalm That Trick Never Works
11/13/17 7:19 pm

I have no idea, but it is not really relevant to my question.

bower8899 ...
11/13/17 7:20 pm

Because it's a dick move to stare at anybody

bluerum29 optimistic idealist
11/13/17 7:27 pm

True, quick glances, use sunglases, other tricks to look but not look..

MachoMatt84 Mountain climbing
11/13/17 7:29 pm

It's a dick move to deliberately show off cleavage and not expect any extra attention or glances. I don't condone rape or sexual assault, but if you've got the Grand Canyon showed off and a guy starts flirting with you and asking you out to dinner you can't just be like "oh, I didn't want this, he's harassing me, I'm innocent, someone fire him". Guys see deep cleavage like that as a girl who *wants* a little extra attention and glances. Otherwise, why is she flaunting what she *knows* is a sexually desirable asset?

FacePalm That Trick Never Works
11/13/17 7:42 pm

Matt - your tirade is full of language that illustrates why so many women respond by saying: teach boys that women are not just sexual objects.

“deliberately” “Flaunting” “knows”

Many women find a man in a uniform desirable, or a fit guy working out in the gym. Shall we require that those men behave modestly, perhaps work out in a burka? Maybe we need to redesign suits so as not to emphasize the broadness of a man’s shoulders, or accuse those who choose to wear fitted jeans as “asking” for the attention they may get? Better yet - lets all wear extra large potato sacks with hoops around the middle to camouflage our forms entirely.

Oh, but then we have eyes! Eyes are the windows to the soul and speak with a look, I hear. Dark shades for everyone!!

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FacePalm That Trick Never Works
11/13/17 7:44 pm

And despite all that, it does not address my question: Why should any woman choose her wardrobe based on any stranger’s “comfort”?

bluerum29 optimistic idealist
11/13/17 8:01 pm

We choose what we wear to get others to look at us in whatever way we want them to.

FacePalm That Trick Never Works
11/13/17 8:06 pm

I choose what I wear based on how I look to me.

bluerum29 optimistic idealist
11/13/17 8:11 pm

If I want more respect I dress up nicer, if I want looks from the ladies, well, I usually dress up nicer for that too. Or colors that bring out my eyes.

MachoMatt84 Mountain climbing
11/13/17 8:44 pm

Dress for the kind of attention you want from others and are comfortable with. You are right that many women things broad shoulders and men in uniform attractive. Many guys work on those features or become servicemen, fireman, police officers, or other sexually attractive things partly to attract the attention of women. We know that. Women do the same thing. Most people like to appear at least somewhat attractive to others.

FacePalm That Trick Never Works
11/13/17 9:23 pm

I am not arguing that most people do not like to feel attractive to another person (of their choice). Obviously they do. But, it is chauvinistic to suggest that a woman has to dress more modestly, especially if she is well endowed, in order to avoid exciting lust in some man because it makes him “uncomfortable”.

Women feel just as lustful, we simply have been taught to handle it, like grownups.

MachoMatt84 Mountain climbing
11/13/17 9:42 pm

Really? Why are most of the teachers that get caught in sexual relationships with students women?

bluerum29 optimistic idealist
11/13/17 9:48 pm

I think that's more about the high school boys wanting to get with the teacher more than high school girls do.

MachoMatt84 Mountain climbing
11/13/17 9:55 pm

But it's the responsibility of the teacher still to stop it. I guess the women can't control it?

FacePalm That Trick Never Works
11/13/17 10:17 pm

Those women clearly couldn’t and they are viewed as being in the wrong by most other women. WE do not make excuses for them by asserting that clearly 13-year old or high school age boys need to dress and behave more modestly.

lcamino Florida and Georgia
11/13/17 6:56 pm

I don’t know, it depends on the setting. I expect to see cleavage on a beach. So don’t go to a beach if you can’t control yourself. On the other hand, it looks unprofessional for women to wear skimpy clothing in most business settings.

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Robert97206 Portland Oregon
11/13/17 6:51 pm

No.

An individual should not have to change them self so another individual can control themselves.

When did we stop teaching personal responsibility?

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bower8899 ...
11/13/17 6:47 pm

"If women don't want to be sexually assaulted, they shouldn't wear skimpy clothing"


This is a very dangerous attitude. Control your sexuality, you're fine

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political Georgia
11/13/17 6:48 pm

And who said this?

bower8899 ...
11/13/17 6:49 pm

You were implying it

political Georgia
11/13/17 6:49 pm

Nope - but you wanted me to imply this.

political Georgia
11/13/17 6:52 pm

You see, the problem with feminists is that a conservative will make a reasonable statement that women should dress modestly. Somewhere in the process, a feminist will twist this to mean that conservative primarily blame the victim for being assaulted.

political Georgia
11/13/17 6:56 pm

How did you vote on my previous poll?

bower8899 ...
11/13/17 6:58 pm

I'm sorry then.

I voted yes.

bower8899 ...
11/13/17 7:05 pm

Although she should dump his ass and get a cute gf

political Georgia
11/13/17 7:16 pm

You see, Sally can legally order a drink, but that would be inconsiderate. I don’t see how this scenario is any different.

bower8899 ...
11/13/17 7:17 pm

Wearing skimpy clothing isn't inconsiderate to anybody though

political Georgia
11/13/17 7:21 pm

It’s inconsiderate to men who are struggling to resist lust. I could add that it’s inconsiderate to herself because she will become an object in men’s minds. It’s anything but empowering. Nevertheless, I wanted to focus on a point that is not often addressed, and that’s provocative clothing only tempts men to have lustful thoughts and makes it harder for men to apply self-control. When I say self-control, that’s not limited yet not necessarily includes violating women’s individual rights.

Carcano Luke 10 19
11/13/17 7:22 pm

Oh my god this is the most blatant straw man I've ever seen. Why do all leftists have to manufacture fake enemies?

bower8899 ...
11/13/17 7:56 pm

Political, again, men don't "struggle" with lust. Just control yourself, it's not that god damn hard. Jack off once in a while maybe.

It is impowering, giving women the choice.

political Georgia
11/13/17 8:00 pm

How do you know that men don’t struggle with lust? Geez...feminist claim that men know nothing about pregnancies and such, but they are all knowing about how men are wired...

Carcano Luke 10 19
11/13/17 8:01 pm

Good point political.

"You can't have an opinion on abortion because you're not a woman."

"I know how men think"

Carcano Luke 10 19
11/13/17 8:02 pm

Also empowering*

If you're going to use dipshit feminist buzzwords at least learn how to spell them.

bower8899 ...
11/13/17 8:08 pm

Right, speaking of straw men.

And political, if you really are so lustful you can't resist assaulting women you need help. Right now.

Carcano Luke 10 19
11/13/17 8:09 pm

I love sexually assaulting women though. Why do I need to stop?

bower8899 ...
11/13/17 8:11 pm

Can't tell if you're joking or not :/

Carcano Luke 10 19
11/13/17 8:13 pm

Then now we know that you aren't really mature or intelligent enough for debate on this app.

bower8899 ...
11/13/17 8:17 pm

I have autism. It's hard for me to get sarcasm even in real life when you have vocal queues to go off of.

Plus, you have said some pretty irredeemable things here

political Georgia
11/13/17 8:18 pm

Umm...I have never come close to assaulting a woman or anyone for that matter. Why are we back to assault again? Is it too hard to understand that some people try to avoid sins such as lust?

Carcano Luke 10 19
11/13/17 8:18 pm

I have Down's Syndrome, that's no excuse.

bower8899 ...
11/13/17 8:25 pm

Really, Carcano, really πŸ˜’

And political, I'm sure God will understand.

Carcano Luke 10 19
11/13/17 8:27 pm

I'm offended that you don't believe me. What do you think Down's Syndrome people can't type as well as I do?

bower8899 ...
11/13/17 8:28 pm

I'm done, carcano. I'm done

Carcano Luke 10 19
11/13/17 8:29 pm

Wow, just wow.

bower8899 ...
11/13/17 8:32 pm

I can't fucking tell if you're joking. This is exactly what I'm fucking talking about

Carcano Luke 10 19
11/13/17 8:32 pm

You're just discriminatory. Very sad and disturbing.

jfish82285 Tennessean in Colorado
11/13/17 6:47 pm

Just like your alcohol poll, of course not. People are adults and can make their own decisions regardless of other people’s.

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political Georgia
11/13/17 6:48 pm

At least, you have a level of consistency.

jfish82285 Tennessean in Colorado
11/13/17 7:31 pm

Reading your comments, it appears that we have an agreement on this matter. Is that so?

political Georgia
11/13/17 7:42 pm

Well, I voted yes on both polls.

jfish82285 Tennessean in Colorado
11/13/17 8:01 pm

What’s your opinion on the matter as a whole?

political Georgia
11/13/17 8:06 pm

Well, I believe that it would be inconsiderate to order a drink while dining with an alcoholic because you don’t want to be a bad influence on someone who has struggled with alcohol before.

I believe that lust is harmful. It creates unreasonable expectations for your wife/husband, and from a Biblical perspective, it simply pollutes your heart. In today’s society, men are sexually attracted to boobies. I hope that men are striving to control their lust, and as a result, I hope that women do not tempt men.

political Georgia
11/13/17 8:06 pm

...women do not tempt men into sin.

SticksandStones Stop fearmongering
11/13/17 6:45 pm

I think it'd be pretty great if everyone dressed modestly. That'd be nice.

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proudGA New Jersey
11/13/17 6:43 pm

The idea that men cannot control their sexuality is bullshit. You see women all day. If you don’t have consent you keep it in your pants the end.

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political Georgia
11/13/17 6:45 pm

I don’t know if anyone the assertion that men are incapable of self control. It’s strikingly odd that no wonder suggested that the alcoholic (the poll before this) couldn’t resist the urge to drink, but before the conversation gets going good, we already have the assumption that men cannot have self-control.

proudGA New Jersey
11/13/17 6:53 pm

The parallel lies on your own preconceived idea of entitlement. If I want to order a beer because I see one I am entitled to that. If I want someone’s tits because I see them I am not entitled to that.

proudGA New Jersey
11/13/17 6:53 pm

And the implication that women should cover up is inherently an assertion about a lack of self control.

Robert97206 Portland Oregon
11/13/17 6:54 pm

I think it's time to change your name to

psychoanalysis

political Georgia
11/13/17 6:55 pm

You aren’t “entitled” to have a beer, but yes, I see your point, and it’s not a very good one. You somehow believed that lust will always lead to lawfully violating someone’s individual rights. That’s usually not the case.

proudGA New Jersey
11/13/17 7:02 pm

If it doesn’t lead to anything what is the problem. If you like the way somebody looks you can always just sit there and shut the fuck up.

political Georgia
11/13/17 7:17 pm

If you don’t believe lust outside of a marital relationship is harmful, then that’s simply a conversation for another day.

bluerum29 optimistic idealist
11/13/17 7:25 pm

Just enjoying the scenery God put on this earth

Okie1967 The world is crazy
11/13/17 6:42 pm

Yes. They’re wanting people to gawk at them and think sexual thoughts about them. It’s very inconsiderate to purposely temp people to do this.

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MrEdwin Mystery
11/13/17 7:00 pm

Correct, Okie’s Mom does this all the time.

bluerum29 optimistic idealist
11/13/17 6:41 pm

Not at all, they are lucky as it's easy for them to show off their assets.

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MachoMatt84 Mountain climbing
11/13/17 7:22 pm

Yeah, if I tried to show off the base of my tree trunk out in public I'd be considered a disgusting pervert.

ReligiousCommie No Longer Active
11/13/17 7:39 pm

"Tree trunk" more like twig.

MachoMatt84 Mountain climbing
11/13/17 8:31 pm

Twig? I look nothing like Donald Trump