Do you remember when people used to risk their lives, and sometimes lose it, trying to escape from their communist country?
All those gusanos in Miami, what victims. Are those violins I hear?
One of my neighbors defected from Russia
Ohhhhh you're talking about that man who tried to defect from North Korea. I can't read 😂😂 I thought the question was do you know anyone who escaped a communist country, besides the "do you remember?" Yeesh. 🤦🏼♀️
Oh like that North Korean soldier yesterday.
Socialist as starving in Venezuela. Yet socialist on this App keep the faith.
People are still trying to get out of ?NK
A NK soldier just tried to escape across the DMZ and got shot by North Korean soldiers.
And criminals in government sent children that were being responsibly cared for back to the commie country.
and now they flee in the thousands from capitalist countries... it's almost like the ruling regime has more to do with opression than their market system...
Mud ... you are so clueless! Which capitalist countries are you talking about?
Mud ... still waiting for your insight.
Mud ... thank you for your pathetically desperate attempt. Are you attempting to suggest that Syria is representative of capitalist society?
is anything i said incorrect?
Mud ... other than suggesting that Syria is a capitalist state? You are clueless about reality! Syria is a totalitarian socialist state.
You would have to work much harder to be more wrong!
How about Estonia? They're solution to the unemployment problem? Make life so bad that everyone leaves. That's what austerity looks like in the former East bloc.
Was ... I’m not familiar with Estonia, but will research.
Now, please tell @Mudkip17 that his proposal that Syria is a representative capitalist society is laughably wrong, that Syria a more like a totalitarian socialist country where most major corporations are owned by the state and there is little that represents a capitalist society in that tragic country!
I wouldn't say the nation is particularly socialist, since their president Bashar Al-Assad has been pursuing free market reforms and encouraging foreign investment into his nation, while 30% of the population is living on less than $2 a day. But I do agree that it is laughable to suggest that the mass emigration from Syria over the last couple years is obviously not due to capitalism, because they've had capitalism for decades, but due to the civil war and people being murdered by terrorists and imperialists.
Think, here's an article to get you started.
The author seems to be Keynesian, not some radical socialist defender of Soviet communism.
Was ... ok, I did a bit of research on Estonia and am at least not unaware of its issues. Before I go further, it’s at least worth amusing that it took five days for anyone to find a capitalist country to talk badly about with even a modicum of relevance.
In its relative obscurity and irrelevance as a world economy, it’s pathetic that you — in particular — would trash a forced “member” of the Soviet Block as a proposed model of capitalism. It appears that Estonia has rarely known independence, as its been dominated by neighbors most of its history. It has little arable land and is almost completely dependent on fickle international trade.
Understand that by suggesting that failures of this poor country are somehow representative of the failure of capitalist is laughable, and actually reinforces the fact that capitalism is far more robust than the oppression of EVERY failed socialist state.
My source ... www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/en.html
Was ... I didn’t see your link as I was doing my own research. I do find it laughable that you’d lean on a Keynesian economist — especially after that SCHLACKING that MrO caused the Democrats for adopting their failed economics.
I’ll stick with my own research and see no value in wasting time reading what a Keynesian would have to say about ANY topic!
Was ... please continue to double down on the ridiculous assertion that Syria is a capitalist society! It’s actually a totalitarian socialist country that has failed in almost every way.
Your refusal to acknowledge Syrian failure is as laughable as anything you’ve ever said. Neither of you have succeeded at discrediting capitalism as the most viable basis on which to build a successful economy, and in your attempts, you’ve really served as counterexamples reinforcing the robustness of capitalism in the face of failed regimes who’ve failed after attempting socialism.
Thank you for the service you provide!
Was ... let me help you come to grips with the fallacy of Syria ... who owns or controls the means of MOST production? In the battered country of Syria? Here’s a hint ... the Ba’ath Party, which is controlled by the dictatorial Assad family.
It is horribly misguided or downright dishonest to suggest that Syria is a representative of pure capitalism.
Your attempt to discredit the problems in Estonia and Syria as not being the fault of capitalism is incredibly hypocritical. If I suggest that the problems experienced in Venezuela are not the fault of socialism, or that the economy isn't even socialist, you suggest that I'm committing a No True Scotsman fallacy. You're doing the same thing here.
Was ... I get that you have an ax to grind because not one socialist “experiment” has worked. Your problem is that you describe Syria as capitalistic when in fact it is a totalitarian socialist country with the means of production owned or controlled by the government. Unwilling to acknowledge that fact, you pathetically attempt to make this my issue. If anyone is attempting a logical fallacy, it is you.
Will you admit that Syria is a totalitarian socialist society? Will you admit that the struggling former oppressed state of Estonia is still wrestling with purging the ills that oppressed the people while they were under the thumb of the ugly Soviet Union?
"Will you admit that Syria is a totalitarian socialist society?"
Totalitarian, maybe. Socialist, certainly not. It may have had some progressive economic policies in its history of Ba'athist rule, but it isn't socialist.
"Will you admit that the struggling former oppressed state of Estonia is still wrestling with purging the ills that oppressed the people while they were under the thumb of the ugly Soviet Union?"
Estonia is struggling because of austerity and its reintegration into the globalist world order.
Was ... who owns the Syrian means of production?
More and more they've become into the hands of foreign capital.
Was ... an honest person with the patience to follow this thread can see that yet again you attempt to avoid the obvious questions! The Ba’ath controlled totalitarian government owns the majority of the means of production. It is a totalitarian socialist society. It is NOT any more capitalist than communist China!
However, the most important point is that given all of this time, you and your little communist friends have utterly failed to provide examples of a respectable state that is a capitalist republic that is even close to as bad as the best socialist “experiment”.
There is a show on Netflix called “Celia” that shows the horrific state of Cubans during Castro’s rise.
We have several Cubans here. They have horrific stories of how they escaped.
If you watch no other video please watch this one
One of my friend's fathers escaped from communist Poland that way when he was 18
This is literally still happening in the world.
The grass is always greener on the other side.
Yes. Berlin, Cuba, North Korea, etc.. At least we don’t have to build walls to keep our people in!
There was one escapee from North Korea today. He got shot, but made it across.
And if you consider North Korea a communist country, it's still occuring.