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gluxford1 November 10th, 2017 12:09pm

Do you believe the accusations of child sexual assault that were recently leveled against Senate candidate Roy Moore?

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lj74
11/12/17 9:56 am

No I don’t. But admittedly my feelings are based on the source, which has historically done shut pieces with questionable sources, the timing, and the fact that the subject has been in the political arena for years without any of these allegations.

voc I am...what I am
11/11/17 5:13 pm

Absolutely. They’re all scum.

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ladyniner81 I hate people
11/11/17 2:28 pm

Is this the idiot who compared these accusations to Joseph and the Virgin Mary?

TomLaney1 Jesus is Lord
11/11/17 3:12 am

NO. Consider these three factors:
1) Timing. 38 years since the alleged incident, since which time Moore ran twice (successfully) for AL State Supreme Court; plenty of opportunity to come forward during those 38 years.. One month before Moore’s crucial Senate election.
2) Source. The Washington Post, which leveled similar allegations against Trump 13-14 months ago, and which ENDORSED MOORE’S OPPONENT a week ago. And it’s owned by ultra-liberal Jeff Bezos, owner of the Amazon empire.
3) Motive. The DNC, the RINOs, and every leftist anti-Christian and anti-Conservative group are DESPERATE to keep Moore out of the Senate, because they want to shift the balance of power in the Senate against Trump.
• YOU DECIDE. Does this witch hunt pass the smell test?

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jstahl Build that wall
11/10/17 8:21 am

Convenient that it would come out now, 4 decades later, with no way to defend himself.

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johonmilla Monroe, nc
11/10/17 9:24 am

Weinstein, Spacey, heck Cosby were years later as well. It’s no unlikely that it just came out due to the recent trend of women feeling brave enough to do it

lj74
11/12/17 9:57 am

Your first two have admitted to their actions

johonmilla Monroe, nc
11/12/17 10:09 am

Yes, days after. It’s only been a few days for more, I expect him to admit as the details grow.

jstahl Build that wall
11/12/17 10:28 am

Or he'll drop out and we'll never hear from the women again, as happened with Herman Cain.

Metamorphosis
11/10/17 8:10 am

Yes, just consider the facts. Four women have said Moore made sexual advances toward them when they were between 14 and 18 years old and he was 32. This is verified by 30 other people who were confided in at that time. I repeat at the time these advances took place. The woman that was 14 at the time claims he sexually molested her. She told her mother at the time. It should not matter to any of us if he can be tried and convicted of any of this. It is simply clear he was/is a sexual predator and, therefore, not fit to be a US Senator.

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bower8899 ...
11/10/17 8:14 am

This. 40 people is plenty enough for me to believe a story.

gluxford1 Arizona
11/10/17 8:15 am

Multiple women, men, and at least two children leveled accusations of witchcraft against several citizens of Salem, Massachusetts. It ended in 19 people hanging from the gallows. Using your own logic, the Salem Witch Trials were justified and the defendants guilty because of the quantity of people making the accusation.

Metamorphosis
11/10/17 2:24 pm

Really, the Salem Witch Trials? Why not use the Inquisition? I think Judge Moore is more like those poor KKK members who were so unjustly accused of lynching black men for whistling at a white girl in the '50's. It warms my heart to see all the evangelical Christians rushing to the defense of a pedophile. I'm sure you sleep well with a clear conscience.

gluxford1 Arizona
11/10/17 7:39 pm

Ah, typical lefties. Comparing their political opponents to KKK members without any evidence because they can't form a logical argument.

bower8899 ...
11/10/17 7:42 pm

To be fair his opponent actually prosecuted many KKK members

gluxford1 Arizona
11/10/17 7:52 pm

So did Jeff Sessions, but that didn't stop you guys from demonizing as a racist either, hence why your accusations don't extractor carry much weight or credibility.

bower8899 ...
11/10/17 8:07 am

Does it matter? He's an awful human being no matter what

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gluxford1 Arizona
11/10/17 8:09 am

"Does proof of guilt really matter? He disagrees with me on politics, and that's all the proof I need to conclude that he's a terrible person and that he must be guilty!"
- bower

bower8899 ...
11/10/17 8:13 am

It's not a matter of disagreement in politics, Roy Moore literally has no respect for my right to exist as a gay woman.

gluxford1 Arizona
11/10/17 8:16 am

Really? When has he called for the extermination of gays? Name the quote.

bower8899 ...
11/10/17 8:17 am

He has said homosexual conduct should be illegal.

gluxford1 Arizona
11/10/17 8:22 am

How does that equate to him wanting you erased from existence?

bower8899 ...
11/10/17 8:25 am

He wants me to not be gay. Adamantly

gluxford1 Arizona
11/10/17 8:26 am

That doesn't mean he wants you exterminated. Show me the quote where he says that.

bower8899 ...
11/10/17 8:27 am

Did I say he wants to exterminate me?

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
11/10/17 8:28 am

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gluxford1 Arizona
11/10/17 8:29 am

You said that he "doesn't believe in your right to exist". That implies that he wants you to no longer be in existence on this earth (dead). Show me the quote.

gluxford1 Arizona
11/10/17 8:30 am

Good point, Nemmy! Bower, your response please.

bower8899 ...
11/10/17 8:32 am

My response is that he has literally said he wants homosexuality to be illegal, and true to get Alabama to ignore the SUPREME COURT ruling on gay marriage. And don't deflect to Muslims, that's an entirely separate issue.

I said he doesn't respect my right to exist as a gay woman. Meaning he doesn't think I should be allowed to be gay.

bower8899 ...
11/10/17 8:35 am

And I guarantee you Roy Moores election to the Senate will have more effect on me than Muslims being let into our country

gluxford1 Arizona
11/10/17 8:35 am

Making gay marriage illegal does not equate to eliminating your existence. Gay marriage was illegal in California for several years when I lived there, but I didn't cease to exist. Now, show me the quote where he says that gays don't have a right to exist.

bower8899 ...
11/10/17 8:36 am

Whatever, glux. I gotta go.

bower8899 ...
11/10/17 8:37 am

And no, me having to leave is not me admitting you won the argument. Don't even start with that shit.

gluxford1 Arizona
11/10/17 8:39 am

"Don't deflect to Muslims. That's an entirely different subject."

Translation: "I will dodge that question and refuse to address or even speak of the problem with gays being thrown off rooftops and beheaded in Muslim theocracies because that would contradict leftist dogma about Muslims being a protected class exempt from criticism. I'll just continue to attack American Christians instead while ignoring the real problem of executions of LGBT people in the Muslim world."

gluxford1 Arizona
11/10/17 8:40 am

Bye, bower. Thanks for running away and by doing so, admitting that we've effectively won the argument. πŸ˜‰πŸ˜‚

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
11/10/17 9:08 am

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bower8899 ...
11/10/17 10:20 am

I had things to do.

TJMacks3 Evolutionary Socialist
11/10/17 11:36 am

Moore said that 9/11 was divine retribution from God for what he claims “loss of morality in America”. That’s just one of the disturbing things he said.

bower8899 ...
11/10/17 12:08 pm

TJ is correct

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
11/10/17 12:10 pm

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TJMacks3 Evolutionary Socialist
11/11/17 3:35 pm

I see you’re continuing to troll and lie even though I have you on ignore.

lj74
11/12/17 9:59 am

What Bower?! Because YOU don’t like someone he is guilty?! Wow!!! No wonder we are in trouble

bower8899 ...
11/12/17 12:16 pm

You misread the comment. I just think this issue is irrelevant to the campaign as he's already a garbage human being

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
11/12/17 12:22 pm

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bower8899 ...
11/12/17 12:31 pm

That's not true. I don't accuse even conservative of this.

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
11/12/17 12:56 pm

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bower8899 ...
11/12/17 1:23 pm

Again, I don't think you understand what I'm trying to say.

I don't hate him because he's conservative, I hate him because he's just not a good person

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
11/12/17 3:25 pm

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bower8899 ...
11/12/17 4:00 pm

I hate him because he's homophobic and I happen to be lesbian, yes. Why shouldn't I? He doesn't think I have a right to exist.

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
11/12/17 4:14 pm

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Nemacyst No Lives Matter
11/12/17 4:29 pm

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bower8899 ...
11/12/17 4:59 pm

The Supreme Court ruled banning homosexuality was unconstitutional

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
11/12/17 5:04 pm

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bower8899 ...
11/12/17 6:34 pm

It is the Fourteenth.

And your right, the supreme court isn't infalable. Gay marriage is a human right

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
11/12/17 6:38 pm

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bower8899 ...
11/12/17 6:57 pm

What πŸ˜‚

bower8899 ...
11/12/17 6:58 pm

Listen, it's great thats your opinion, but the supreme court ruled gay marriage is protected by the 14th amendment, so that is the law of the land

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
11/12/17 7:14 pm

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bower8899 ...
11/12/17 7:15 pm

πŸ˜‚ what does this have to do with me being useless

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
11/12/17 7:22 pm

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bower8899 ...
11/12/17 9:39 pm

πŸ˜‚ ok then

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
11/13/17 4:32 am

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clmcd42 Texas
11/10/17 7:46 am

I believe people are innocent until proven guilty, and should be treated as such. I also believe that these claims should be looked into and, if found to be valid, prosecuted.

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ZaQ777 Pittsburgh
11/10/17 7:05 am

Can't say for sure, but it certainly wouldn't surprise me.

SHIPPY1944 Tn.
11/10/17 7:02 am

Like most of you I don’t yet know, but I do know DemLibLeftists are notorious for lying & saying it truth, to smear & discredit their opponents, so i’m giving this “story” time to be proven or disproven, before I speak about it❗️

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Harry3603 Tampa Bay Florida.
11/10/17 7:39 am

There are too many political reasons to discredit Judge Moore. It's a tactic that the Left and their Media Flunkies have skillfully used before. Until he is indicted and actually is tried by a Court rather than the Leftwing Media, I will consider him to be innocent in accordance with his Constitutional right.

johonmilla Monroe, nc
11/10/17 9:29 am

Lol, I would say it’s the right smearing and lying, Trump, gotnews.com, and Alex Jones being a prime example. Regardless, the women were Trump voters and quite conservative, so you’re point is mute there.

Diogenes FreeMeBe
11/10/17 6:46 am

The establishment goons goose stepping with erections regarding this accusation seem to know more than probably the accuser herself. I would think with all the light on the initial election that this supposedly simple allegation would have found its way to light. This timing has all the signs of the RINOs creating a last ditch effort to scrape up any potentially plausible evidence against the judge. I don't see a court of law upholding the allegations without definitive proof.

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DoctorWasdarb Decolonize
11/10/17 6:10 am

Impossible to know for sure. But I tend to side with the women, until proven otherwise.

gluxford1 Arizona
11/10/17 6:36 am

"I believe in the concept of guilty until proven innocent."
- DoctorWas

DoctorWasdarb Decolonize
11/10/17 6:45 am

Not what I said, jackass

gluxford1 Arizona
11/10/17 6:46 am

Yes, it is.

Think Lovin Life
11/10/17 6:47 am

Was ... if this were true, it’d seem that you’d approve, as this’d be just like the young womanizing Mr Stalin and before him Mr Engels.

DoctorWasdarb Decolonize
11/10/17 8:18 am

How were Engels and Stalin womanizers?

kscott516 Revelation 5 6
11/10/17 8:27 am

"But I tend to side with the women, until proven otherwise."

You sided with the accusers over the accused, effectively saying you believe he's guilty.

DoctorWasdarb Decolonize
11/10/17 8:37 am

All we have in cases like this is one person's word against another's. I tend to side with the victim unless there's a clear reason I shouldn't.

kscott516 Revelation 5 6
11/10/17 9:20 am

Ok, so guilty until proven innocent like glux said.

Argonaut Yang 2020
11/10/17 3:20 pm

Do you know how to use quotes glux?

Think Lovin Life
11/10/17 3:58 pm

Awk ... focus on the irrelevant so you don’t have to focus on the point?

Think Lovin Life
11/10/17 4:00 pm

Was ... talk to your mommy about how Mr Stalin and Mr Engels could be womanizers.

F1Dan Parked in your spot
11/10/17 7:21 pm

For the record Think, Gluxford1 and I had an exchange regarding his intentional misquoting antics (repeated further up in these comments too) a few months back where he was called out for doing the exact same thing. It may not be directly relevant to the argument Awkwardmammal originally made but making mention of it is indeed indirectly relevant regarding many debates with Gluxford1 as it is now shown to be a persistent and repeated behavior.

gluxford1 Arizona
11/10/17 7:31 pm

F1Dan, it's adorable that you don't have the rocks to tag me here. I didn't misquote DrWas.

F1Dan Parked in your spot
11/10/17 7:35 pm

You are in this thread. It notifies you anyway and we both know that

Think Lovin Life
11/11/17 8:23 am

F1 ... I’m not sure where you were headed with your comment to me. My comment about philandering communists is absolutely germane to Was’ preoccupation and deification of communist murderers who were also womanizers. He’s attempted piety, in the face of a conservative who it is alleged fondled a girl 40 years ago, is ridiculous. I was simply pointing out the hypocrisy of Was’ double standard.

CMChristian gone
11/13/17 8:37 am

He should change his name to the mad doctor.

Kay41 the Midwest
11/10/17 6:07 am

I believe them as much as I believe any of the recent allegations. In other words, it's possible and we'll have to wait and see.

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Robert97206 Portland Oregon
11/10/17 5:39 am

Does it matter most of the cases are passed there statute of limitations?

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gluxford1 Arizona
11/10/17 5:40 am

Not to liberals.

gluxford1 Arizona
11/10/17 5:42 am

Proof of guilt doesn't matter much to them either.

Robert97206 Portland Oregon
11/10/17 5:43 am

Regardless of whether he did it if you can't try him for it he's not guilty.

F1Dan Parked in your spot
11/10/17 7:45 pm

"Not guilty" in a legal sense =/= "didn't do it" in a physical sense. It surely could, but they aren't exclusively linked 100% of the time.

Even if he couldn't be charged with any crimes today, that wouldn't make it acceptable if he did actually do what he is accused of back then, would it?

Robert97206 Portland Oregon
11/10/17 8:02 pm

Agreed that the legal term "guilt" is not equal to did or didnt do it. However the structure we have in place as a society to judge one another is the justice system that the term "guilt" presides.

Mob rule, is that what you want?

F1Dan Parked in your spot
11/10/17 8:22 pm

No mob rule. Legally, he should remain free and keep all his rights even if he did it if the statute of limitations has passed, otherwise why do we have SoL at all? However, I fully understand why the average person would generally shun people who may not be guilty in a legal sense, but are still widely believed to have done what they were accused of. Fair or not, this is even more understandable when there isn't even ever a trial due to what basically amounts to a technicality.

Robert97206 Portland Oregon
11/10/17 8:28 pm

Yes and if these allegations had arisen absent of the timing i might even agree with.

Do you ever know the allegations.

Serously?

jfish82285 Tennessean in Colorado
11/10/17 5:32 am

Only so much as I believe the accusations against Louis C.K. or Kevin Spacey.

STONEYTJONES Indiana
11/10/17 6:55 am

Did Louis or Spacey deny anything?

jfish82285 Tennessean in Colorado
11/10/17 7:47 am

Yes. They both have.

CoffeeNow Powderpuff Leftist
11/10/17 8:11 am

Uhh spacey did not deny it. In fact he apologized

STONEYTJONES Indiana
11/10/17 8:37 am

Spacey pretty much admitted to it. And Louis as far as I know hasn’t said anything.

Now, I don’t know about you but if someone accuses me of something I didn’t do I’m going to call bullshit. I’m not going to apologize or disappear.

jfish82285 Tennessean in Colorado
11/10/17 9:02 am

Last I saw, and granted I haven’t been keeping much up with it, he apologized *if* he did what was claimed. All I’ve heard afterwards about him is simply he response from Netflix and his agents and all.

I believe Louis has responded, but I don’t have the time at this moment to look it up. I recall him denying the claims, but it could be a false memory.

CoffeeNow Powderpuff Leftist
11/10/17 9:04 am

If you’re innocent you don’t apologize “if” you did something

jfish82285 Tennessean in Colorado
11/10/17 9:38 am

If he genuinely doesn’t remember that occurrence taking place, then it makes sense for him to simply apologize if he did it. It is not an admission of guilt. This is my playing devil’s advocate, by the way.

CoffeeNow Powderpuff Leftist
11/10/17 9:41 am

I don’t remember killing JFK. I’m not going to apologize in case I did it anyway

If you’re innocent, you deny it

jfish82285 Tennessean in Colorado
11/10/17 11:02 am

False analogy.

He did deny. He apologized, denied, and deflected.

CoffeeNow Powderpuff Leftist
11/10/17 12:37 pm

Again you don’t apologize if you’re innocent. That’s a natural law of the universe

STONEYTJONES Indiana
11/10/17 1:56 pm

Louis CK admitted the story’s were true.

Jazzy5 USA
11/10/17 5:23 am

Accusation are just that, accusations.
Until proven innocent or guilty..
Interesting timing.......

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ctskapski x
11/10/17 5:20 am

I have no idea.

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gluxford1 Arizona
11/10/17 5:28 am

Good answer.

gluxford1 Arizona
11/10/17 5:28 am

Neither do I.

jadeburt Ann Arbor, Michigan
11/10/17 5:40 am

I’m also unsure.

zimmy Florida
11/10/17 5:12 am

I really do, he himself is fixated on other people’s sexual behavior way too much, makes me very suspicious!

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Malekithe Lets go Rangers
11/10/17 5:40 am

You know nothing other than your own opinion based on your own bias.

zimmy Florida
11/10/17 6:37 am

I know the man is an ass. I totally believe he’s a sexual deviant!

Think Lovin Life
11/10/17 6:50 am

Zimmy ... you suggest that Mr Moore is a deviant, yet it is you that seems fixated on his posterior. Why do you think that is the case?

zimmy Florida
11/10/17 6:57 am

Because he is fixated on others sexual stuff, and then was accused by 4 women, whom I believe. He’s the one who is uptight.

Think Lovin Life
11/10/17 10:04 am

Zimmy ... I get that you need Mr Moore to fit your preconceived notions of those that you get to hate, but where is your proof?

zimmy Florida
11/10/17 11:23 am

So Roy Moore gets to have preconceived opinions of people, and I don’t?

Think Lovin Life
11/10/17 12:42 pm

Zimmy ... I just want to know if you’re bought into the notion of the presumption of innocence, or is it because the claims are against a conservative that you flip the switch to guilty until proven innocent.

Please clarify.

zimmy Florida
11/10/17 12:54 pm

Conservatives have nothing to do with it, Of course Roy Moore is no Conservative, more like a religious fascist.

Think Lovin Life
11/10/17 1:14 pm

Zimmerman ... thanks for showing your own bigotry. Unfortunately, when you cavalierly throw around he term fascist, you appear yourself to be the one denying others freedom.

zimmy Florida
11/10/17 1:18 pm

I disagree, the man doesn’t follow the law, and thinks his religious beliefs supersedes our laws. He should be discredited from running for Senate on that basis alone, and if you look like a fascist, act like a fascist well than...........

Think Lovin Life
11/10/17 1:34 pm

Zimmy ... I get that you’re an emotional wreck about this, but you’ve shown no facts, only your hysteria.

Here’s a little something to think about. When a leftist Democrat puts their ideology above the law, they’re viewed as a hero for being principle driven. When a conservative does the EXACT same thing, you call them a fascist. Why is that?

zimmy Florida
11/10/17 1:36 pm

No facts? Reread, they are all facts, he went against the courts not once but twice, you have a double standard yourself, it’s ok for Roy Moore to call people immoral, but it’s not ok for me to call him out? Come on!

Think Lovin Life
11/10/17 5:26 pm

Zimmy ... I get that you’re hysterical, but you have in fact shared NO FACTS! If you’re capable of a rational discussion, please present your case against him without being a drama queen.

zimmy Florida
11/10/17 5:29 pm

You sound hysterical. I’m just pointing out facts, you make things up.

gluxford1 Arizona
11/10/17 5:09 am

I haven't seen enough evidence yet to prove guilt, so no.

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abusara i drink and i know things
11/10/17 5:21 am

Haven't seen any evidence to prove innocence either.

IJS.

abusara i drink and i know things
11/10/17 5:22 am

Fun fact:

All the women making the allegations were 15 years or more younger than him.

He married a woman 15 years younger than him.

gluxford1 Arizona
11/10/17 5:27 am

Gasp! He married someone younger than him! Clearly a felony! πŸ™„

gluxford1 Arizona
11/10/17 5:28 am

I guess lefties don't really believe in the idea of "innocent until proven guilty" anymore.

Malekithe Lets go Rangers
11/10/17 5:43 am

"Haven't seen any evidence to prove innocence either."
Not how it works in this country.
I guess the schools these days are really worse than I thought.

gluxford1 Arizona
11/10/17 5:48 am

Well said, @malekithe! My thoughts exactly.

Think Lovin Life
11/10/17 6:52 am

Abu ... how many of those making stale, unenforceable allegations are Democrats or were motivated by payments from Democrats?

clmcd42 Texas
11/10/17 7:48 am

Glux, you don't think leftists believe in "innocent until proven guilty" anymore? You were just over on another thread claiming that people who receive the death penalty are essentially guilty until proven innocent! The hypocrisy is real.

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gluxford1 Arizona
11/10/17 7:52 am

clm, try not to make intellectually dishonest statements. It's beneath you and I expected more. I never once said that leftists aren't innocent until proven guilty. As for the death penalty, those people have already been tried and convicted, hence why they're on death row awaiting their execution. Are you ready to make a logical and honest argument now?

clmcd42 Texas
11/10/17 7:58 am

Hold on, I think you misread what I said. I was referring to your statement above where you said 'I guess lefties don't really believe in the idea of "innocent until proven guilty" anymore'.

To prove that somebody shouldn't have been convicted of something, all you have to do is provide reasonable doubt. That reasonable doubt would have stopped them from being convicted.

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gluxford1 Arizona
11/10/17 8:07 am

Don't try and backpedal. You made the accusation that I believe leftists are guilty until proven innocent and then made the claim I think that people should be given the death penalty even if reasonable doubt was found. It was a false accusation and you would admit that if you were being honest. As I stated above, death row inmates have already been convicted beyond a reasonable doubt. That's why they're incarcerated.

ladyniner81 I hate people
11/11/17 2:26 pm

Eighties don't either. They've practically lynched everybody but this biblethumper