No I don’t. But admittedly my feelings are based on the source, which has historically done shut pieces with questionable sources, the timing, and the fact that the subject has been in the political arena for years without any of these allegations.
NO. Consider these three factors:
1) Timing. 38 years since the alleged incident, since which time Moore ran twice (successfully) for AL State Supreme Court; plenty of opportunity to come forward during those 38 years.. One month before Moore’s crucial Senate election.
2) Source. The Washington Post, which leveled similar allegations against Trump 13-14 months ago, and which ENDORSED MOORE’S OPPONENT a week ago. And it’s owned by ultra-liberal Jeff Bezos, owner of the Amazon empire.
3) Motive. The DNC, the RINOs, and every leftist anti-Christian and anti-Conservative group are DESPERATE to keep Moore out of the Senate, because they want to shift the balance of power in the Senate against Trump.
• YOU DECIDE. Does this witch hunt pass the smell test?
Weinstein, Spacey, heck Cosby were years later as well. It’s no unlikely that it just came out due to the recent trend of women feeling brave enough to do it
Yes, just consider the facts. Four women have said Moore made sexual advances toward them when they were between 14 and 18 years old and he was 32. This is verified by 30 other people who were confided in at that time. I repeat at the time these advances took place. The woman that was 14 at the time claims he sexually molested her. She told her mother at the time. It should not matter to any of us if he can be tried and convicted of any of this. It is simply clear he was/is a sexual predator and, therefore, not fit to be a US Senator.
Multiple women, men, and at least two children leveled accusations of witchcraft against several citizens of Salem, Massachusetts. It ended in 19 people hanging from the gallows. Using your own logic, the Salem Witch Trials were justified and the defendants guilty because of the quantity of people making the accusation.
Really, the Salem Witch Trials? Why not use the Inquisition? I think Judge Moore is more like those poor KKK members who were so unjustly accused of lynching black men for whistling at a white girl in the '50's. It warms my heart to see all the evangelical Christians rushing to the defense of a pedophile. I'm sure you sleep well with a clear conscience.
So did Jeff Sessions, but that didn't stop you guys from demonizing as a racist either, hence why your accusations don't extractor carry much weight or credibility.
"Does proof of guilt really matter? He disagrees with me on politics, and that's all the proof I need to conclude that he's a terrible person and that he must be guilty!"
- bower
You said that he "doesn't believe in your right to exist". That implies that he wants you to no longer be in existence on this earth (dead). Show me the quote.
My response is that he has literally said he wants homosexuality to be illegal, and true to get Alabama to ignore the SUPREME COURT ruling on gay marriage. And don't deflect to Muslims, that's an entirely separate issue.
I said he doesn't respect my right to exist as a gay woman. Meaning he doesn't think I should be allowed to be gay.
Making gay marriage illegal does not equate to eliminating your existence. Gay marriage was illegal in California for several years when I lived there, but I didn't cease to exist. Now, show me the quote where he says that gays don't have a right to exist.
"Don't deflect to Muslims. That's an entirely different subject."
Translation: "I will dodge that question and refuse to address or even speak of the problem with gays being thrown off rooftops and beheaded in Muslim theocracies because that would contradict leftist dogma about Muslims being a protected class exempt from criticism. I'll just continue to attack American Christians instead while ignoring the real problem of executions of LGBT people in the Muslim world."
Moore said that 9/11 was divine retribution from God for what he claims “loss of morality in America”. That’s just one of the disturbing things he said.
I believe people are innocent until proven guilty, and should be treated as such. I also believe that these claims should be looked into and, if found to be valid, prosecuted.
Like most of you I don’t yet know, but I do know DemLibLeftists are notorious for lying & saying it truth, to smear & discredit their opponents, so i’m giving this “story” time to be proven or disproven, before I speak about it❗️
There are too many political reasons to discredit Judge Moore. It's a tactic that the Left and their Media Flunkies have skillfully used before. Until he is indicted and actually is tried by a Court rather than the Leftwing Media, I will consider him to be innocent in accordance with his Constitutional right.
Lol, I would say it’s the right smearing and lying, Trump, gotnews.com, and Alex Jones being a prime example. Regardless, the women were Trump voters and quite conservative, so you’re point is mute there.
The establishment goons goose stepping with erections regarding this accusation seem to know more than probably the accuser herself. I would think with all the light on the initial election that this supposedly simple allegation would have found its way to light. This timing has all the signs of the RINOs creating a last ditch effort to scrape up any potentially plausible evidence against the judge. I don't see a court of law upholding the allegations without definitive proof.
For the record Think, Gluxford1 and I had an exchange regarding his intentional misquoting antics (repeated further up in these comments too) a few months back where he was called out for doing the exact same thing. It may not be directly relevant to the argument Awkwardmammal originally made but making mention of it is indeed indirectly relevant regarding many debates with Gluxford1 as it is now shown to be a persistent and repeated behavior.
F1 ... I’m not sure where you were headed with your comment to me. My comment about philandering communists is absolutely germane to Was’ preoccupation and deification of communist murderers who were also womanizers. He’s attempted piety, in the face of a conservative who it is alleged fondled a girl 40 years ago, is ridiculous. I was simply pointing out the hypocrisy of Was’ double standard.
"Not guilty" in a legal sense =/= "didn't do it" in a physical sense. It surely could, but they aren't exclusively linked 100% of the time.
Even if he couldn't be charged with any crimes today, that wouldn't make it acceptable if he did actually do what he is accused of back then, would it?
Agreed that the legal term "guilt" is not equal to did or didnt do it. However the structure we have in place as a society to judge one another is the justice system that the term "guilt" presides.
No mob rule. Legally, he should remain free and keep all his rights even if he did it if the statute of limitations has passed, otherwise why do we have SoL at all? However, I fully understand why the average person would generally shun people who may not be guilty in a legal sense, but are still widely believed to have done what they were accused of. Fair or not, this is even more understandable when there isn't even ever a trial due to what basically amounts to a technicality.
Last I saw, and granted I haven’t been keeping much up with it, he apologized *if* he did what was claimed. All I’ve heard afterwards about him is simply he response from Netflix and his agents and all.
I believe Louis has responded, but I don’t have the time at this moment to look it up. I recall him denying the claims, but it could be a false memory.
If he genuinely doesn’t remember that occurrence taking place, then it makes sense for him to simply apologize if he did it. It is not an admission of guilt. This is my playing devil’s advocate, by the way.
Zimmy ... I just want to know if you’re bought into the notion of the presumption of innocence, or is it because the claims are against a conservative that you flip the switch to guilty until proven innocent.
Zimmerman ... thanks for showing your own bigotry. Unfortunately, when you cavalierly throw around he term fascist, you appear yourself to be the one denying others freedom.
I disagree, the man doesn’t follow the law, and thinks his religious beliefs supersedes our laws. He should be discredited from running for Senate on that basis alone, and if you look like a fascist, act like a fascist well than...........
Zimmy ... I get that you’re an emotional wreck about this, but you’ve shown no facts, only your hysteria.
Here’s a little something to think about. When a leftist Democrat puts their ideology above the law, they’re viewed as a hero for being principle driven. When a conservative does the EXACT same thing, you call them a fascist. Why is that?
No facts? Reread, they are all facts, he went against the courts not once but twice, you have a double standard yourself, it’s ok for Roy Moore to call people immoral, but it’s not ok for me to call him out? Come on!
Zimmy ... I get that you’re hysterical, but you have in fact shared NO FACTS! If you’re capable of a rational discussion, please present your case against him without being a drama queen.
"Haven't seen any evidence to prove innocence either."
Not how it works in this country.
I guess the schools these days are really worse than I thought.
Glux, you don't think leftists believe in "innocent until proven guilty" anymore? You were just over on another thread claiming that people who receive the death penalty are essentially guilty until proven innocent! The hypocrisy is real.
clm, try not to make intellectually dishonest statements. It's beneath you and I expected more. I never once said that leftists aren't innocent until proven guilty. As for the death penalty, those people have already been tried and convicted, hence why they're on death row awaiting their execution. Are you ready to make a logical and honest argument now?
Hold on, I think you misread what I said. I was referring to your statement above where you said 'I guess lefties don't really believe in the idea of "innocent until proven guilty" anymore'.
To prove that somebody shouldn't have been convicted of something, all you have to do is provide reasonable doubt. That reasonable doubt would have stopped them from being convicted.
Don't try and backpedal. You made the accusation that I believe leftists are guilty until proven innocent and then made the claim I think that people should be given the death penalty even if reasonable doubt was found. It was a false accusation and you would admit that if you were being honest. As I stated above, death row inmates have already been convicted beyond a reasonable doubt. That's why they're incarcerated.
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