Do you believe the accusations of child sexual assault that were recently leveled against Senate candidate Roy Moore?
No I don’t. But admittedly my feelings are based on the source, which has historically done shut pieces with questionable sources, the timing, and the fact that the subject has been in the political arena for years without any of these allegations.
Absolutely. They’re all scum.
Is this the idiot who compared these accusations to Joseph and the Virgin Mary?
NO. Consider these three factors:
1) Timing. 38 years since the alleged incident, since which time Moore ran twice (successfully) for AL State Supreme Court; plenty of opportunity to come forward during those 38 years.. One month before Moore’s crucial Senate election.
2) Source. The Washington Post, which leveled similar allegations against Trump 13-14 months ago, and which ENDORSED MOORE’S OPPONENT a week ago. And it’s owned by ultra-liberal Jeff Bezos, owner of the Amazon empire.
3) Motive. The DNC, the RINOs, and every leftist anti-Christian and anti-Conservative group are DESPERATE to keep Moore out of the Senate, because they want to shift the balance of power in the Senate against Trump.
• YOU DECIDE. Does this witch hunt pass the smell test?
Convenient that it would come out now, 4 decades later, with no way to defend himself.
Weinstein, Spacey, heck Cosby were years later as well. It’s no unlikely that it just came out due to the recent trend of women feeling brave enough to do it
Your first two have admitted to their actions
Yes, days after. It’s only been a few days for more, I expect him to admit as the details grow.
Or he'll drop out and we'll never hear from the women again, as happened with Herman Cain.
Yes, just consider the facts. Four women have said Moore made sexual advances toward them when they were between 14 and 18 years old and he was 32. This is verified by 30 other people who were confided in at that time. I repeat at the time these advances took place. The woman that was 14 at the time claims he sexually molested her. She told her mother at the time. It should not matter to any of us if he can be tried and convicted of any of this. It is simply clear he was/is a sexual predator and, therefore, not fit to be a US Senator.
This. 40 people is plenty enough for me to believe a story.
Multiple women, men, and at least two children leveled accusations of witchcraft against several citizens of Salem, Massachusetts. It ended in 19 people hanging from the gallows. Using your own logic, the Salem Witch Trials were justified and the defendants guilty because of the quantity of people making the accusation.
Really, the Salem Witch Trials? Why not use the Inquisition? I think Judge Moore is more like those poor KKK members who were so unjustly accused of lynching black men for whistling at a white girl in the '50's. It warms my heart to see all the evangelical Christians rushing to the defense of a pedophile. I'm sure you sleep well with a clear conscience.
Ah, typical lefties. Comparing their political opponents to KKK members without any evidence because they can't form a logical argument.
To be fair his opponent actually prosecuted many KKK members
So did Jeff Sessions, but that didn't stop you guys from demonizing as a racist either, hence why your accusations don't extractor carry much weight or credibility.
Does it matter? He's an awful human being no matter what
"Does proof of guilt really matter? He disagrees with me on politics, and that's all the proof I need to conclude that he's a terrible person and that he must be guilty!"
It's not a matter of disagreement in politics, Roy Moore literally has no respect for my right to exist as a gay woman.
Really? When has he called for the extermination of gays? Name the quote.
He has said homosexual conduct should be illegal.
How does that equate to him wanting you erased from existence?
He wants me to not be gay. Adamantly
That doesn't mean he wants you exterminated. Show me the quote where he says that.
Did I say he wants to exterminate me?
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You said that he "doesn't believe in your right to exist". That implies that he wants you to no longer be in existence on this earth (dead). Show me the quote.
Good point, Nemmy! Bower, your response please.
My response is that he has literally said he wants homosexuality to be illegal, and true to get Alabama to ignore the SUPREME COURT ruling on gay marriage. And don't deflect to Muslims, that's an entirely separate issue.
I said he doesn't respect my right to exist as a gay woman. Meaning he doesn't think I should be allowed to be gay.
And I guarantee you Roy Moores election to the Senate will have more effect on me than Muslims being let into our country
Making gay marriage illegal does not equate to eliminating your existence. Gay marriage was illegal in California for several years when I lived there, but I didn't cease to exist. Now, show me the quote where he says that gays don't have a right to exist.
Whatever, glux. I gotta go.
And no, me having to leave is not me admitting you won the argument. Don't even start with that shit.
"Don't deflect to Muslims. That's an entirely different subject."
Translation: "I will dodge that question and refuse to address or even speak of the problem with gays being thrown off rooftops and beheaded in Muslim theocracies because that would contradict leftist dogma about Muslims being a protected class exempt from criticism. I'll just continue to attack American Christians instead while ignoring the real problem of executions of LGBT people in the Muslim world."
Bye, bower. Thanks for running away and by doing so, admitting that we've effectively won the argument. 😉😂
I had things to do.
Moore said that 9/11 was divine retribution from God for what he claims “loss of morality in America”. That’s just one of the disturbing things he said.
TJ is correct
I see you’re continuing to troll and lie even though I have you on ignore.
What Bower?! Because YOU don’t like someone he is guilty?! Wow!!! No wonder we are in trouble
You misread the comment. I just think this issue is irrelevant to the campaign as he's already a garbage human being
That's not true. I don't accuse even conservative of this.
Again, I don't think you understand what I'm trying to say.
I don't hate him because he's conservative, I hate him because he's just not a good person
I hate him because he's homophobic and I happen to be lesbian, yes. Why shouldn't I? He doesn't think I have a right to exist.
The Supreme Court ruled banning homosexuality was unconstitutional
It is the Fourteenth.
And your right, the supreme court isn't infalable. Gay marriage is a human right
Listen, it's great thats your opinion, but the supreme court ruled gay marriage is protected by the 14th amendment, so that is the law of the land
😂 what does this have to do with me being useless
😂 ok then
I believe people are innocent until proven guilty, and should be treated as such. I also believe that these claims should be looked into and, if found to be valid, prosecuted.
Can't say for sure, but it certainly wouldn't surprise me.
Like most of you I don’t yet know, but I do know DemLibLeftists are notorious for lying & saying it truth, to smear & discredit their opponents, so i’m giving this “story” time to be proven or disproven, before I speak about it❗️
There are too many political reasons to discredit Judge Moore. It's a tactic that the Left and their Media Flunkies have skillfully used before. Until he is indicted and actually is tried by a Court rather than the Leftwing Media, I will consider him to be innocent in accordance with his Constitutional right.
Lol, I would say it’s the right smearing and lying, Trump, gotnews.com, and Alex Jones being a prime example. Regardless, the women were Trump voters and quite conservative, so you’re point is mute there.
The establishment goons goose stepping with erections regarding this accusation seem to know more than probably the accuser herself. I would think with all the light on the initial election that this supposedly simple allegation would have found its way to light. This timing has all the signs of the RINOs creating a last ditch effort to scrape up any potentially plausible evidence against the judge. I don't see a court of law upholding the allegations without definitive proof.
Impossible to know for sure. But I tend to side with the women, until proven otherwise.
"I believe in the concept of guilty until proven innocent."
Not what I said, jackass
Yes, it is.
Was ... if this were true, it’d seem that you’d approve, as this’d be just like the young womanizing Mr Stalin and before him Mr Engels.
How were Engels and Stalin womanizers?
"But I tend to side with the women, until proven otherwise."
You sided with the accusers over the accused, effectively saying you believe he's guilty.
All we have in cases like this is one person's word against another's. I tend to side with the victim unless there's a clear reason I shouldn't.
Ok, so guilty until proven innocent like glux said.
Do you know how to use quotes glux?
Awk ... focus on the irrelevant so you don’t have to focus on the point?
Was ... talk to your mommy about how Mr Stalin and Mr Engels could be womanizers.
For the record Think, Gluxford1 and I had an exchange regarding his intentional misquoting antics (repeated further up in these comments too) a few months back where he was called out for doing the exact same thing. It may not be directly relevant to the argument Awkwardmammal originally made but making mention of it is indeed indirectly relevant regarding many debates with Gluxford1 as it is now shown to be a persistent and repeated behavior.
F1Dan, it's adorable that you don't have the rocks to tag me here. I didn't misquote DrWas.
You are in this thread. It notifies you anyway and we both know that
F1 ... I’m not sure where you were headed with your comment to me. My comment about philandering communists is absolutely germane to Was’ preoccupation and deification of communist murderers who were also womanizers. He’s attempted piety, in the face of a conservative who it is alleged fondled a girl 40 years ago, is ridiculous. I was simply pointing out the hypocrisy of Was’ double standard.
He should change his name to the mad doctor.
I believe them as much as I believe any of the recent allegations. In other words, it's possible and we'll have to wait and see.
Does it matter most of the cases are passed there statute of limitations?
Not to liberals.
Proof of guilt doesn't matter much to them either.
Regardless of whether he did it if you can't try him for it he's not guilty.
"Not guilty" in a legal sense =/= "didn't do it" in a physical sense. It surely could, but they aren't exclusively linked 100% of the time.
Even if he couldn't be charged with any crimes today, that wouldn't make it acceptable if he did actually do what he is accused of back then, would it?
Agreed that the legal term "guilt" is not equal to did or didnt do it. However the structure we have in place as a society to judge one another is the justice system that the term "guilt" presides.
Mob rule, is that what you want?
No mob rule. Legally, he should remain free and keep all his rights even if he did it if the statute of limitations has passed, otherwise why do we have SoL at all? However, I fully understand why the average person would generally shun people who may not be guilty in a legal sense, but are still widely believed to have done what they were accused of. Fair or not, this is even more understandable when there isn't even ever a trial due to what basically amounts to a technicality.
Yes and if these allegations had arisen absent of the timing i might even agree with.
Do you ever know the allegations.
Only so much as I believe the accusations against Louis C.K. or Kevin Spacey.
Did Louis or Spacey deny anything?
Yes. They both have.
Uhh spacey did not deny it. In fact he apologized
Spacey pretty much admitted to it. And Louis as far as I know hasn’t said anything.
Now, I don’t know about you but if someone accuses me of something I didn’t do I’m going to call bullshit. I’m not going to apologize or disappear.
Last I saw, and granted I haven’t been keeping much up with it, he apologized *if* he did what was claimed. All I’ve heard afterwards about him is simply he response from Netflix and his agents and all.
I believe Louis has responded, but I don’t have the time at this moment to look it up. I recall him denying the claims, but it could be a false memory.
If you’re innocent you don’t apologize “if” you did something
If he genuinely doesn’t remember that occurrence taking place, then it makes sense for him to simply apologize if he did it. It is not an admission of guilt. This is my playing devil’s advocate, by the way.
I don’t remember killing JFK. I’m not going to apologize in case I did it anyway
If you’re innocent, you deny it
He did deny. He apologized, denied, and deflected.
Again you don’t apologize if you’re innocent. That’s a natural law of the universe
Louis CK admitted the story’s were true.
Accusation are just that, accusations.
Until proven innocent or guilty..
I have no idea.
Neither do I.
I’m also unsure.
I really do, he himself is fixated on other people’s sexual behavior way too much, makes me very suspicious!
You know nothing other than your own opinion based on your own bias.
I know the man is an ass. I totally believe he’s a sexual deviant!
Zimmy ... you suggest that Mr Moore is a deviant, yet it is you that seems fixated on his posterior. Why do you think that is the case?
Because he is fixated on others sexual stuff, and then was accused by 4 women, whom I believe. He’s the one who is uptight.
Zimmy ... I get that you need Mr Moore to fit your preconceived notions of those that you get to hate, but where is your proof?
So Roy Moore gets to have preconceived opinions of people, and I don’t?
Zimmy ... I just want to know if you’re bought into the notion of the presumption of innocence, or is it because the claims are against a conservative that you flip the switch to guilty until proven innocent.
Conservatives have nothing to do with it, Of course Roy Moore is no Conservative, more like a religious fascist.
Zimmerman ... thanks for showing your own bigotry. Unfortunately, when you cavalierly throw around he term fascist, you appear yourself to be the one denying others freedom.
I disagree, the man doesn’t follow the law, and thinks his religious beliefs supersedes our laws. He should be discredited from running for Senate on that basis alone, and if you look like a fascist, act like a fascist well than...........
Zimmy ... I get that you’re an emotional wreck about this, but you’ve shown no facts, only your hysteria.
Here’s a little something to think about. When a leftist Democrat puts their ideology above the law, they’re viewed as a hero for being principle driven. When a conservative does the EXACT same thing, you call them a fascist. Why is that?
No facts? Reread, they are all facts, he went against the courts not once but twice, you have a double standard yourself, it’s ok for Roy Moore to call people immoral, but it’s not ok for me to call him out? Come on!
Zimmy ... I get that you’re hysterical, but you have in fact shared NO FACTS! If you’re capable of a rational discussion, please present your case against him without being a drama queen.
You sound hysterical. I’m just pointing out facts, you make things up.
I haven't seen enough evidence yet to prove guilt, so no.
Haven't seen any evidence to prove innocence either.
All the women making the allegations were 15 years or more younger than him.
He married a woman 15 years younger than him.
Gasp! He married someone younger than him! Clearly a felony! 🙄
I guess lefties don't really believe in the idea of "innocent until proven guilty" anymore.
"Haven't seen any evidence to prove innocence either."
Not how it works in this country.
I guess the schools these days are really worse than I thought.
Well said, @malekithe! My thoughts exactly.
Abu ... how many of those making stale, unenforceable allegations are Democrats or were motivated by payments from Democrats?
Glux, you don't think leftists believe in "innocent until proven guilty" anymore? You were just over on another thread claiming that people who receive the death penalty are essentially guilty until proven innocent! The hypocrisy is real.
clm, try not to make intellectually dishonest statements. It's beneath you and I expected more. I never once said that leftists aren't innocent until proven guilty. As for the death penalty, those people have already been tried and convicted, hence why they're on death row awaiting their execution. Are you ready to make a logical and honest argument now?
Hold on, I think you misread what I said. I was referring to your statement above where you said 'I guess lefties don't really believe in the idea of "innocent until proven guilty" anymore'.
To prove that somebody shouldn't have been convicted of something, all you have to do is provide reasonable doubt. That reasonable doubt would have stopped them from being convicted.
Don't try and backpedal. You made the accusation that I believe leftists are guilty until proven innocent and then made the claim I think that people should be given the death penalty even if reasonable doubt was found. It was a false accusation and you would admit that if you were being honest. As I stated above, death row inmates have already been convicted beyond a reasonable doubt. That's why they're incarcerated.
Eighties don't either. They've practically lynched everybody but this biblethumper
Righties* fuck autocorrect