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Show Of Hands November 10th, 2017 12:39am

Alabama senate candidate Roy Moore has been accused of sexual misconduct with a 14-year-old girl when he was 32. Three other women have since said Moore tried to kiss them when they were teenagers and he was in his 30s. Should Moore step aside?

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awfulgoon
11/19/17 9:39 am

accusations aren’t the same as guilt

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Suzan Hawaii
11/14/17 4:29 pm

I have no wisdom to answer this question

CMChristian gone
11/13/17 8:42 am

If proven guilty. Dems trying to make Republicans look sexually immoral. That's like the thousandth time they have tried this tactic. Next!

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coltsfan428
11/13/17 8:24 am

Bill clinton never stepped aside when he was accused

susannr Colorado
11/12/17 10:37 pm

The difference between Democrats and Republicans on this issue is we arrest our alleged rapists, they elect them!

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susannr Colorado
11/12/17 11:06 pm

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polarized Tennessee
11/13/17 11:29 am

I'm really not sure which side you are on...both parties have had their share of sexual predators in office. Why let one more into the swamp?

Aaron89 California
11/12/17 9:47 pm

This is a rather difficult question due to the 6th Amendment. I find sex offenders to be among the wicked lot of corrupted individuals on earth who’s greatest contribution is the nourishment of the wretchedness that the human condition is plagued by, however, we have to be careful not to set an informal precedent for future cases. In other words, the accused is innocent until proven guilty, therefore, should public opinion make a habit of forcing any one who is accused of such crimes drop out of an election prior to the verdict, we will possibly be risking the careers of honest men and woman who maybe unjustly accused. Should the accused win the elec. prior to a guilty verdict, than impeachment is the legal remedy. I believe that the former is how a “nation of laws” should operate.

Aaron89 California
11/12/17 9:49 pm

*I believe that the former is how a “nation of laws” should operate.

granite99 NC
11/12/17 4:09 pm

And there, burn the witch!!!!!

goatfin Portland
11/17/17 8:39 am

You some kinda witch-lover, man? Witches killed my dad with dark magic

granite99 NC
11/12/17 4:08 pm

And there over there another witch!!!!

centexken Republic of Texas
11/12/17 1:44 pm

I would rather have Moore in the Senate than a Democrat since that party is pro gun control, pro abortion and pro Muslim.

polarized Tennessee
11/13/17 11:33 am

Dems don't want to take away your guns, they just want to keep guns out of the hands of people who use them to do harm. Dems don't want to kill babies, they only want to give women a choice when it comes to things like incest, rape, and medical complications, Dems are pro Muslims because 99 percent of them are good people working quietly to keep this country running while republican's shout they are terrorists. Maybe quit looking at things so black and white.

centexken Republic of Texas
11/17/17 2:31 pm

Well who decides whom is dangerous? If the dems become the majority in 2020 they might decide those on the right are dangerous. As to Muslims, look what happens as the Muslim population increases in a country. Do we want Sharia law in our country? That will happen if the Muslim population continues to increase.

TCheyenne I Love People
11/12/17 10:54 am

Have you seen & heard Vice President Joe Biden Grope & make inappropriate comments to little girls while posing for pictures with them? It’s pretty creepy & the Media was silent about it?
youtu.be/xy07yHAgM4E

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mooshfleek
11/12/17 10:47 am

Fuck that bumass dirty nigga

TCheyenne I Love People
11/12/17 10:29 am

One of the women works for the Obamas and another worked on the Hillary Clinton Presidential campaign 2016.

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TCheyenne I Love People
11/12/17 10:26 am

Since Former President Bill Clinton Sexually assaulted at least 18 women, should he have been forced by law to stand trial against those accusations of which many had eye witnesses. The Roy Moore frenzy is nothing more than a payback against the anti-Establishment Republicans. Not to mention how did the media obtain 4 different women’s information after 40+ years? This has the CIA written all over it. And who was the head of the CIA in 1975-1977? H.W. Bush

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Wizine
11/12/17 5:30 am

Yea but not because of baseless accusations. He should realize how unamerican he is and move to early 20th century Italy

pcisbs1 Baltimore to Central PA
11/11/17 9:05 pm

Funny how one of the accusers is now the housekeeper for the Obamas.

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smoothboy1982 Lexington Ky
11/11/17 5:15 pm

Girls lie all the time. If they don’t have proof then they shouldn’t be lying on the man.

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SomeGuy77
11/11/17 4:26 pm

Not until he is proven guilty.

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Blevins7
11/11/17 2:17 pm

Innocent until proven guilty

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prallen Property and order
11/11/17 1:00 pm

Any proof, or are they all accusations?

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jab87
11/11/17 12:44 pm

Absolutely yes if it’s true.

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txmg
11/11/17 10:07 am

A 14 year old cannot consent legally. Moore is a pedophile.

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natejgardner Edmonds, Washington
11/11/17 1:44 pm

One accusation from 30 years ago by a left-wing newspaper isn't enough to make a judgement

txmg
11/11/17 3:45 pm

Just because it is left wing does not mean it isn’t factual. They have multiple sources.

porosnax
11/11/17 8:05 am

On a side note: I don't mean to be rude or disrespectful over my lifetime over 75% of rape cases that I have studied the female without any doubt consented on video, but since they didn't know the establishment was recording (or in some cases the male counterpart had a hidden cam in public), they tried to claim they were raped. These are records from courtrooms over the past 20 years and I am talking about highschool through middle aged people. Like I said before no disrespect or anything but damn experience really tilted me from ever believing a rape story. If you are a female and reading this, if you consent don't pull the rape card, please. You are really making it easier for males to rape females and get away with it.

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polarized Tennessee
11/11/17 8:16 am

Sorry, but any 30 plus year old man going after an underage teenage girl is just rape. Consensual or not. This is completely different than a college rape case.

porosnax
11/14/17 8:30 pm

Oh my bad, I meant to start the comment out with, "On a side note", next time I will have to be more careful

coloradical Vote or Shut Up
11/11/17 12:53 am

Remember when the Fraudulent Fusion GPS “Trump Dossier “ miraculously appeared right before the big debate between Trump & Hillary. The same establishment actors are trying to knock Judge Moore out of his race in Alabama.

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coloradical Vote or Shut Up
11/11/17 12:48 am

Do you find it strange that after over 40 years, the Media discovered all 4 women who apparently do not know each other? How did the Media track them all down? Since Moore was a big anti-One World Govt Guy, he was also against Bush 41, McCain, & both Clinton’s.

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vstrom Washington
11/10/17 10:53 pm

Senator Pelosi looked at me in a sexual manner when Iļø was 17. She should resign. Fair? Iļø don’t think so.

Fictional event.

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outlaw393 USA not for you esse
11/10/17 8:21 pm

Stuff that happened decades ago is irrelevant.

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BeerCat94
11/10/17 9:57 pm

Those women have been scarred from his actions for decades. Tell me it’s too long ago to be relevant.

porosnax
11/11/17 7:57 am

sources please

lcamino Florida and Georgia
11/10/17 6:46 pm

No, not unless there is evidence. He denies the charges.

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polarized Tennessee
11/11/17 8:14 am

Yup just his word against 30. Lol

lcamino Florida and Georgia
11/11/17 6:30 pm

There is one person who accused him of touching her when she was 14. He vehemently denies this.

Puzz1edOrc ion know
11/10/17 5:46 pm

Innocent until proven guilty, but if he is guilty then yes.

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bluefish empiricism and love
11/10/17 5:28 pm

What does "step aside" mean exactly?

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outlaw393 USA not for you esse
11/10/17 8:22 pm

Resign, obviously.

Obvious101 MO
11/11/17 12:22 pm

Withdraw from the Senate race.
There is no way the election or party officials can force him to step aside & there’s no way he will do so, so the question is moot. Will he win? Probably, Alabamans would vote in a fence post rather than a democratic.

mfjd1948 rural johnson co iowa
11/10/17 5:11 pm

If there is any truth to these allegations. Moore should drop out of the race as soon as possible. The post would not have printed this unless there was some corroborating information to support the woman's account.

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charlie259 Arizona
11/10/17 11:58 pm

Using the Post as a truth guide is like having Harvey Weinstein and Bill Clinton as your resident defenders of female virtue.

TCheyenne I Love People
11/12/17 10:36 am

Or like Having Saudi Arabia lead a UN Committee on Women’s rights? šŸ˜‚ oh wait…the UN already did that lmao šŸ¤£

Advil sc
11/10/17 4:18 pm

It seems odd this should come to light when these accusations are 30 plus years old and when Moore may be a Senator. Moore is not a member of the political club. The swamp does not want him screwing their party. I hope Moore wins the election even though I don’t agree with his recent statement about lgbtq.

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Hogoke Constitution
11/10/17 3:21 pm

Only if he's proven guilty.

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dryanmorr
11/10/17 1:50 pm

Is he guilty? They are allegations at this point. I have no idea.

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Attikai Oregon
11/10/17 1:23 pm

Alternate question: Should we have child molesters as congressmen?

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Domino3 Abolish the ATF
11/10/17 2:42 pm

No, don’t think anyone thinks we should

RagingMystic covfefe
11/10/17 4:42 pm

I think the point is it should be a dealbreaker, while some folks don't seem to care that much.

Domino3 Abolish the ATF
11/10/17 4:45 pm

I think everyone cares, but accusations don’t prove guilt.

Americanguy
11/10/17 4:53 pm

What ever happened to, Innocent Until Proven Guilty?

I guess we are willing to throw all that away when it we wish.

Americanguy
11/10/17 5:22 pm

“Moore’s campaign vigorously denied the allegations as “garbage,” an argument that may resonate with his legion of supporters.”

The article proves my position. Nothing has been proven so he is still to be presumed innocent.

Attikai Oregon
11/10/17 5:31 pm

She lied about it to people back then at 14 so that decades later she could sabotage his Senate bid?

RagingMystic covfefe
11/10/17 6:02 pm

The question isn't "did he sexually abuse someone", it is 'should he step down'.

Americanguy
11/10/17 6:54 pm

People shouldn’t be penalized without proof. This smells really fishy.

RagingMystic covfefe
11/10/17 6:56 pm

Fishy or not, that's not the question

Americanguy
11/11/17 2:38 am

Do we want to live in a society where someone’s career can be ended by a few people making unproven accusations?

Domino3 Abolish the ATF
11/11/17 4:28 am

No one should be stepping down because of accusations. That’s such a horrible President, hey! Bernie sanders touched my weener when I was a kid. Oh no... now he must step down and can’t run for President in 2020. Horrible logic. Innocent until proven guilty. No if ands or buts about it.

polarized Tennessee
11/11/17 8:18 am

If it is so easy to provide false accusations, then why hasn't every senate or house race for both parties been subject to them?

Americanguy
11/11/17 8:53 am

Have you noticed how it’s happening more often now? That may be because it has worked.

Obvious101 MO
11/11/17 12:32 pm

Alabama re-elected their Speaker of the House two weeks after he was indicted on 22 counts of fraud. He was convicted and sentenced to four years in prison. They kept their philandering governor in office after the tapes were released. So ?? In AL.

TCheyenne I Love People
11/12/17 10:38 am

Attikai:
Remember Dennis Hassert? Or Barney Frank?

ConservativeCA Slow Joe sux
11/10/17 1:22 pm

Hard to determine if the accusations are true. If they are, of course he should. If not, he shouldn’t give in to the liars.

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Domino3 Abolish the ATF
11/10/17 12:44 pm

Holy hell.. why is this mostly a yes. What the hell happened to innocent until guilty

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Henry123 Connecticut
11/10/17 12:47 pm

To be fair the question isn’t should he be thrown in jail, or Even should he be forced to step down. It’s asking if people think he should decide too

Maynard Londor
11/10/17 1:26 pm

I've started out in Dominoes position, but I think you've got a good point, Henry. It would probably good for the GOP (not indicating I'm a republican) as a whole if he did, because it's likely something that will just keep coming up with him over time, distracting from their overall plan. Like Hillary Clinton, he's tainted with accusations, which ruins public opinion for him (though doesn't seem the case with a lot of Alabama voters, though is harder to supporter him than say another candidate, as a whole), whether ultimately true or not. This isn't about truth, this is about perception, and his perception looks bad.

Attikai Oregon
11/11/17 8:27 am

I'm sure you're outraged about the Hollywood accusations as well?

TCheyenne I Love People
11/12/17 10:50 am

Reminder: Saul Alinsky- “Accuse your opponent of things that you yourself are guilty of”mobile.wnd.com/2016/09/longtime-friend-clintons-accuse-others-of-evil-they-do/

GetALoadOfThis
11/10/17 12:36 pm

Same thing with Harvey Weinstein don't do anything unless PROVEN GUILTY

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susanr Colorado
11/10/17 12:32 pm

Not for that reason, since being accused isn't the same as being shown to be guilty.

(Major boos to the jerks who seem to be trying to excuse the his presumed behavior in recent times by comparing it not just to different age relationships in Biblical times, but specifically to the relationship between Mary and Joseph. There are a number of disturbing things about that comparison.)

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xtarite
11/10/17 11:10 am

What part of innocent until proven guilty has been lost? If he did that he should be prosecuted but until there’s proof let the voters decide

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polarized Tennessee
11/10/17 10:59 am

A section of the Republican Party has no shame anymore. I'm honestly sorry for the real republican's out there, many in this site, who have had their party hijacked.

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gelina44 Missouri , MO
11/10/17 10:48 am

Did he actually do this? Is this people lying to get him to look bad?

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polarized Tennessee
11/10/17 10:53 am

30 confirmed sources and many republicans. Dude is guilty

GlockMan1 Alabama
11/10/17 11:19 am

HAHAHAHAHA šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚

Darthscion Utah
11/10/17 12:15 pm

Polar not guilty yet. How can you prove this? I don't get it. Why, out of all these same type of cases, does one person say something and all of a sudden over 10 people step up? How can you prove this happened when it was, in some of the cases, over 5 or 10 years ago? Why did they wait this damn long to say something? Most of the time it's extremely politically motivated.

mistaluke Scottsdale, AZ
11/10/17 2:37 pm

If it’s true, it’s true. Politically motivated or not. And if indeed true, then if politically motivated then all the better. He shouldn’t be a Senator.

polarized Tennessee
11/10/17 3:02 pm

The nail in the coffin to me is these women did not run to the Post. The Post did what any good journalism organization would do, they started digging. They got a hunch and made the calls, knocked on the doors. Some were even hesitant to tell them about it at first and why wouldn't they be. What women in her 50s would want this to be what they are known for? It will not make them rich and the fame is NOTHING anyone would want. Think about this people...

Darthscion Utah
11/10/17 4:54 pm

But how do you prove it? Just because they didn't say it before there was a story doesn't mean anything. And how many people have tried to get any dirt they can on trump? A lot. They don't like him and they want him gone so people make up crazy shit to so it. Like In this case, the post or whoever did the "diging" may have done it for political reasons. Either fake or real it was probably politically motivated. Why was this story not a thing a few years ago? Because he is running for political office, and they want a reason to get him gone.

gelina44 Missouri , MO
11/10/17 5:13 pm

If it's true then sure he should step aside and maybe prosecuted... any more though people say 'sexual harassment'...'Sexual assault' and it turns out to be a massive exaggeration. These words are beginning to lose their meaning

Darthscion Utah
11/10/17 6:57 pm

Gelina thank you. This is exactly what I mean. Now days it's super pathetic. You say 'that's what she said' to something and people act like they got raped. It's pathetic. Which is funny because everyone is talking about how sexuality should be more open. Well apperently not because they sure do get offended when you say something they don't like.
This generation is mental and just pathetic.

BasedBlur Texas
11/10/17 9:35 am

Can't believe this is even a debate right now. If Republicans expect Hollywood moguls and actors to be held accountable for their actions, they should do the same for Moore.

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mrmc2
11/10/17 9:37 am

You do know that hypocrisy is in their platform?

pof
11/10/17 10:19 am

No evidence against Moore, accusations are nearly half a century old.

Accusations against Bill, Weinstein, Spacey, had evidence. Liberals still denied many of them.

Quit being retarded.

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pof
11/10/17 10:29 am

I never said there were limitations, dumbass.

Learn to read and quit putting words in my mouth.

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pof
11/10/17 10:33 am

But if you're going to use a legal argument (which doesn't address my point), you should know that no evidence=not guilty.

You just defeated yourself using your own words.

pof
11/10/17 10:37 am

That's the funny thing about liberals. They use phrases they don't know on subjects they know nothing about.

Very often when hearing a liberal argue, they contradict and even prove themselves wrong several times.

This is but one example.

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pof
11/10/17 10:40 am

You're ignored now. You're not making sense and beginning to spam me now. Quite childish, which judging by your profile picture and poll questions, is to be expected.

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pof
11/10/17 10:41 am

I have nothing against debate, but people who strawman and put words into people's mouths begin to act like they know it all, then begin to spam you, that is trolling and not acceptable.

darnflabit
11/10/17 10:50 am

Nah you just a snowflake

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GlockMan1 Alabama
11/10/17 11:22 am

There is ZERO PROOF that these accusations are true. I find it convenient that an accusation is made a month before the election that can not be proven nor disproven.

ghostguy25
11/13/17 5:36 pm

I’d hate to interject because I don’t like political arguments, but it makes sense for the victims to come out now. I doubt that anyone would want to see the person that rapped them holding a high political office. So coming out now just makes sense.

FreetheMarket Save the West
11/10/17 9:28 am

1.) Accused doesn't equal guilty
2.) He still is going to win despite the suspicious timing. Remember the presidential election?

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Forgetabouit
11/10/17 8:26 am

What happen to innocent until proven guilty ? . So all a women has to say is 50 years ago (sarcasm) he molested me . And that man is tried convicted in the media . Ok Hillary molested me when I was 8 .. let’s see if that fly’s ..

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gonzoboy Northern AZ
11/10/17 7:52 am

Okay, so, I think we should do what we normally do with this type of thing: Sensationalize and market!
Get the accusers: Leigh Corfman *14, Wendy Miller *16, Debbie Wesson Gibson *17, and Gloria Thacker Deason *18, along with the accused, Alabama Senate Candidate Roy Moore, and hook them all up to a polygraph. This will be a 6-way split-screen, live, Pay-Per-View event. The 6th screen will be a 3-person panel of 'experts', administering the polygraph examination of all participants. This panel may include (But I’m open to suggestions!): Gloria Allred, Bill O’Reilly, Father Guido Sarducci, Woody Allen, Kevin Hart, Don Lemon, Jesse Ventura, etc.
Folks, I don’t know about you, but I think I’m on to something here. Let’s get this thing figured out once-and-for-all, in all seriousness, with Moore contractually obligated to accept the outcome!šŸ˜ƒ

*Age at time of sexual predation by Moore.
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MrsCrayonWax
11/10/17 7:05 am

God knows I’m not defending Moore because I think he’s a faulty minded individual but, he’s only been accused. Spacey admitted it, Weinstein is on tape, etc. but apparently if you accuse a republican, it’s a war on Christianity and if you accuse a democrat, it’s McCartyism. How about we take our heads out of the sand and treat the accusers and the alleged equally instead of making this partisan.

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polarized Tennessee
11/10/17 10:56 am

Ok I'll treat them equally. When it is her word against his. Until it is 5 against 1 and over 30 confirmed sources saying Moore made multiple advances. Then the balance skews and you really need to take the accusations into account and weigh it heavy on such an important and powerful position in our society.

MrsCrayonWax
11/10/17 11:10 am

Just so we are clear, I’m talking about treating both right and left accusers and alleged equally.

MrWalrus Undergrid
11/10/17 6:49 am

Here’s how justice is decided in America in this day and age. 1, social media and 2, whether or not we like you and if you belong to the correct political party. Whether he’s guilty or not he has rights under the Constitution and the courts will decide this.

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Ebola1 Florida
11/10/17 6:48 am

Not unless proof of the allegations is shown. Democrats have hurt themselves by showing themselves to be such pathological liars (Russia, dossier, uranium one, Benghazi and on and on) that claims like this, probably initiated by Democratic opposition, no longer possess any veracity. Of course, if the allegations are shown to be true, he should step aside.

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darnflabit
11/10/17 10:51 am

Oh ... and trump?

iceberg124
11/10/17 5:33 am

I accuse the SOH admins of harassment, should they resign?

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MrWalrus Undergrid
11/10/17 6:45 am

I, like you, believe in the Constitution and due process.

MrsCrayonWax
11/10/17 6:57 am

I think they resigned a long time ago.

gonzoboy Northern AZ
11/10/17 7:16 am

Mrs...šŸ˜‚

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susanr Colorado
11/10/17 12:27 pm

Well, *somebody* just fixed the problem with the agreement scores... The "top 10" I Agree With lists have changed today, and the agreement scores on profile pictures (whether on that top 10 list, or just users I know in general) aren't all 0.0% any more. They're not quite back to where they should be yet, but that'll take a few more days.

And the Politicians page is broken (it's now blank, in case you hadn't noticed) because the API that SOH used isn't available any longer; I'm told they'll find something else.

And I actually got a reply from SOH staff about all this. (I just saw that last night; I'm going to mention it in the several polls users had made about both issues, once I relocate them...) (And yeah, I was surprised. Pleasantly.)

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