Rene Boucher, the Communist who almost killed Rand Paul, has plead not guilty. If the Communist didn’t attempt to murder a U.S. Republican Senator, then who did?
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How could Rand Paul have become president if he can’t even handle a fistfight. Sad!
First of all, it wasn’t a fist fight. Rand was wearing ear protection while mowing his grass and was attacked by this cowardly Communist from behind. Rand didn’t see or hear the attack coming.
Second what American President ever got into a fist fight with anyone?
If you can’t beat a commie, you can’t be president. That’s just how it works, I don’t make the rules.
The answer is zero.
"Second what American President ever got into a fist fight with anyone?"
Teddy Roosevelt and Abe Lincoln. Probably Andrew Jackson too, although his preferred method seems to have been duels. And other than for sport (Roosevelt) I think all the fights were prior to their taking office, if that matters.
Susan for the win!
It doesn’t matter.
This jack off didn’t know that Rand was blindsided to begin with.
Rand lost to a commie that’s 5 foot nothing and named after a girl. Don’t be mad at me for that.
There’s no point in getting mad over your willful ignorance.
"It doesn’t matter."
That's after you said "zero."
Couldn't you *ever* say something like, "Oh, that's interesting, I had no idea." Or, "I was wrong."
Nobody really gives a crap if someone is wrong on minor points about things (we all are at times - major points too - cripes, this is how people *learn* about stuff).
But when someone just brushes it off as "It doesn't matter," frankly, they look kinda silly. Also, as if they don't care about learning anything.
Susan’s right, Cowboy. It’s a bad look. Rand Paul would expect better of you.
It doesn’t matter and I explained why, Susan. Looks like YOU don’t want learn anything right now.
Btw. Good job trying to correct me and not xxxceo about Rand being blindsided. Really shows that you don’t really give a damn about the truth anyway.
I never said he wasn’t blindsided. I just said he should’ve won anyway and it disqualifies him from being president.
Obviously you’ve never had any of your ribs cracked. Hard to win a “fight” when you don’t hear or see it coming and can’t breath after a sneak attack.
Please show me where, in the U.S Constitution, that states getting attacked from behind is a disqualification for being President.
“Sneak attack” pfft. He got slapped and threw himself on the ground in fear. That’s when he got kicked. That’s not someone Americans vote for. We like guys that fight back.
Exactly. Nowhere in the Constitution does it disqualify someone for being savagely attacked from behind. Want to back up here Susan?
Citizens have set the precedent of not voting for guys that play the victim.
You already pointed out that he was blindsided. There wasn't any need for me to do it too. Why are you taking me to task for that?
You're right, though, it's idiotic to say that someone should be able to handle any specific kind of physical fight in order to qualify for the Presidency. I don't think xxxceo was claiming that it's a Constitutional thing, although there's nothing wrong with pointing out that it's not one of the very few requirements. As far as I'm concerned, a quadriplegic is fully entitled to be President if they are a citizen and old enough, and have the support of enough voters.
How then did Trump get elected by crying about how the debate questions were unfair to him and everything bad said about him is “fake news”?
Quadriplegics are usually tough, I agree.
Rand Paul, however, is a whiner.
This isn’t about Trump, stay on topic.
At least I got a “you’re right” out of you, Susan. That’s progress.
You made the statement
“Citizens have set the precedent of not voting for guys that play the victim.”
So how did a cry baby like trump get elected?
You’re deflecting like a commie would.
I don’t know how that crybaby Clinton campaign donor got elected either.
He ran against Rinos like Rand Paul.
It was sure nice of President Trump to steal Rand Paul’s idea for a pathway to citizenship after retards like you voted against it by voting for Trump. Can’t trust those lying NYC Liberals that are friends with the Clintons.
My guy won the White House.
Your guy lost to a midget commie with a girls name.
By lying to retards like you and it worked. Congratulations moron.
He doesn't have a girl's name, xxxceo. See my annoyed response about this further below.
Sorry Susan, I should’ve said bisexual name.
Uh oh. Now she’s really pissed. She’s coming after you now, xxxceo.
No she’s not. I can admit when I’m mistaken, unlike others *cough*.
I know. Susan never admits it.
I'm not "pissed." I'm annoyed at being called a liar repeatedly, when it's clear to anyone with decent reading comprehension that I'm not.
René is sometimes used as a female name, but it is predominately a male name.
The female-only form is Renée.
Bullshit, cowboy. I *always* admit when I am wrong, and I am *happy* to do so. I have done that any number of times here on SOH, as well as in other parts of my life. The problem is that you see people as wrong when they simply aren't.
Fine. You didn’t lie. You misrepresented the story by listening to the Communist’s scumbag lawyer. I apologize.
Excuse me? How did I misrepresent the story? I've said WE (the general public) DON'T KNOW (YET) WHY Paul was attacked.
I've clearly stated that I don't assume that what the attacker's lawyer says is the real story. Let me quote myself from another thread here: "We don't know if it was politically motivated or not. Cowboy is right that the fact that his lawyer says it wasn't politically motivated doesn't prove that it wasn't."
Let me be even clearer: The attack MAY have been politically motivated. The attack MAY NOT have been politically motivated. WE (the general public) DO NOT KNOW ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
Some neighbors have said that it wasn't; that the two men have a long-standing *non-political* dispute (some say it's about landscaping; some say it isn't).
Some neighbors say that story isn't correct.
WE (the general public) DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF THAT IS CORRECT.
You apparently *think* that you know that the attack *was* politically motivated. I don't know how the hell you are so sure, without any actual *evidence* other than just your *assumption* that because this man is reportedly a registered Democrat and that he has reported posted anti-Trump and anti-GOP (although reportedly not any specific anti-Rand) stuff on his Facebook page, that he therefore *must* be a "Communist" and *must* have attacked his neighbor for political reasons.
But you know what? You may be right about that, and you may be wrong about that. You are making assumptions that may or may not be correct. It's really not smart to assume that they're correct.
And I didn't misrepresent anything.
I apologize and you still are pissed. And people wonder why I stay single....
Susan, why, oh why, do you keep trying to talk sense into cowboy? It would be more satisfying to bang your head against a brick wall! 😂😂😂
Also, to xxx’s point about losers
... I’m curious, of those four future Presidents who had fist fights, how many of them won the fight?
I’m sorry ... not four. You named three.
Funny. I feel the same exact way about her...
GA: All of them, apparently (at least one fight each). All anecdotes from this page:
One night while entering the bar in a small hotel, Roosevelt was accosted by a drunken gunman. As Roosevelt told the story in his autobiography: "As soon as he saw me he hailed me as 'Four eyes,' in reference to my spectacles, and said 'Four eyes is going to treat.'" Roosevelt sat down and tried to laugh it off, but when the drunk waved his guns and persisted, Roosevelt took action: "As I rose, I struck quick and hard with my right just to one side of the point of his jaw, hitting with my left as I straightened out and then again with my right… when he went down he struck the corner of the bar with his head."
Knocked cold, the bully was dragged out of the bar and later skipped town on a freight train. Roosevelt returned to his dinner and then went to bed.
As president, ABE LINCOLN was a thoughtful and even melancholy man. But in his prairie days Lincoln was a top-notch “wrassler” who would take on all comers. [Not fistfights, exactly, here.]
Carl Sandburg describes several such battles in his biography of Lincoln, including one case where his opponent, a local champion named Armstrong, cheated by stomping on Abe’s instep with his boot heel. “This exasperated Lincoln so that he lost his temper, lifted Armstrong up by the throat and off the ground, shook him like a rag, and then slammed him to a hard fall, flat on his back.”
Sandburg describes another incident during Lincoln’s first run for Congress, when he was mounting a box to speak just as a fist fight broke out in the crowd. Lincoln “stepped off the box, shouldered his way to the fight, picked a man by the scruff of the neck and the seat of the breeches, and threw him ten feet for a fall.” Lincoln then returned to his box and made his speech.
Who didn’t this guy fight? The punchiest of the presidents, ANDREW JACKSON was such a roughneck that a 1906 biography by Cyrus Brady needed two chapters on the topic: “Pugnacity and Patriotism” and “Duels and Quarrels.”
Brady described a typical Jackson encounter in Jonesboro, Tennessee: a fire had broken out downtown and Jackson was organizing an old-fashioned bucket brigade when a “drunken coppersmith named Boyd” began to shout orders of his own. Jackson grabbed a bucket by the handle, swung it and cold-cocked Boyd, knocking him flat. Jackson then returned to the fire, “giving his orders as coolly as before.”
GA - Why do I do it? Initially, because I don't think poll questions based on inaccurate statements should go unchallenged. (I don't challenge *all* such polls on SOH of course; who has that kind of time? I just pick a few.)
After that, any further attempts to demonstrate where logic isn't being employed, or where information isn't factual, and to try to bring in better information, are sort of a "Hope Springs Eternal" kind of thing. Apparently I forget that my previous attempts haven't succeeded.
But if nothing else, maybe they'll help some *other* users see through some of the unwarranted claims being made. At least that's the answer I've gotten in the past when I've asked "Why do I even bother?," in regard to other seemingly thankless endeavors of a similar nature.
Except nothing is inaccurate here, obviously. Lawyers lie. It’s what they do. So to base your argument on what we’ll known liars says is, in fact, illogical.
This manic Communist, who almost killed a Republican U.S. Senator, is still free. Great justice system here, huh? 🙄
Xxx, you are vindicated. We have never elected a president who lost a fist fight! 😊
Susan, this might make you feel better.
You realize that xxxceo admitted to being a troll, right grandma? So it really doesn’t matter.
First Susan bases her argument on the Communist’s lying lawyer and then goes off on what an admitted troll thinks disqualifies Rand Paul, being almost killed by a blindsided attack from a Communist, from being President somehow. Never figured Susan to be a troll, but here we are. Strange days we live in.
I mean, really. Comparing Rand Paul being attacked by a Communist to Abe Lincoln wrestling? Oh well.
“Don’t believe everything you read on the internet” - Abe Lincoln
Of course we hadn’t GA. I tried explaining that to Cowboy but his love for Rand Paul blinded him from the truth. It’s sad that love can do that to a man 😞
Real funny. There’s a crazy Communist, who almost killed a Republican U.S. Senator, out roaming the streets because the insane judge bought the lying scumbag lawyer’s story about it being over a pile of leaves. If a U.S. Senator can’t get justice after being almost killed in America, who the hell can? Absolutely frightening.
Cowboy, you’re just so easy to troll. You make a perfect target, because of the .... uh, “unique” ... way you twist logic. 😊
So, I don’t blame xxx. Heck, if I was a troll, *I* would troll you.
By the way, the judge released him, because he posted bail. That is the law, you know. He will still face trial. No charges were dropped.
Thank you for admitting that you’re a troll too.
Obviously having a little troll party at the expense of a Republican U.S. Senator that was almost killed by a Communist and is free to roam the streets. No big deal.
I would get to walk out of jail too if I attempted to murder some Communist Senator from Illinois, right? Of course. Equal justice and all... 🙄
We’re not trolls, we just enjoy watching you gush and get googily eyed over Rand Paul. Your celebrity name would be Cowpaul.
Like I said before, it’s like I’m living in the twighlight zone. Absolutely frightening.
I would like to see cowboy's definition of the word "troll" in regard to SOH poll comments.
Then I'd like to see his explanation of why he (apparently) thinks "If I was a troll, I would troll you" means "I am a troll."
Maybe he doesn't understand what the word "If" means. Or what sentence structures like "If I were ___, I would ___" mean (i.e., conditional sentences).
Frankly I'm puzzled.
This right here. What you’re doing.
Making fun while Rand Paul’s attacker got to walk. Disgusting.
Perhaps love has fuzzied his brain.
I don't enjoy any of this, xxxceo. And I don't care, for purposes of this kind of poll, who likes, gushes over, supports, or votes for which candidate or politician. That's not my point, and that's not why I keep trying to explain anything.
The *only* thing I care about here is the logic or illogic, the accuracy or inaccuracy, of the poll question, the information brought to the discussion, and the logic of the discussion.
And for that, I get called a liar and a troll. Repeatedly. (And, as GA points out, it's far from the first time this sort of nonsense happens when I try to hold things to (a) the best information we have at present and (b) logical interpretation of them.
It's a pretty thankless task.
Cowboy, we aren’t judging. If I were to tease you over it that would be one thing, but I support you. You shouldn’t be ashamed of your feelings. Obviously you still feel bad about this so I’ll stop. However, I hope you find the courage to confront the things that make your heart flutter.
Anything you say right now not regard the piece of shit Communist that almost killed Rand Paul and got to walk away, is trolling.
That last line is correct, Susan. Telling the truth is a thankless job.
I forgive you
The fucking World is upside down. I need a drink.
Drinking won't help, except to blur it out. I'd recommend some positive interaction with your daughter, if that's possible (not necessarily in person). Are you ever able to do any video chatting with her? (Just a thought.)
I thought I read somewhere that the Earth was due for a pole shift. Maybe that’s it. Nothing makes any fucking logical sense anymore.
Why dont we let the Justice system figure that out.
Lol. “Justice system”
He was Just an angry old man. They’re neighbors.
And that justifies?
It gives intent (the alleged absence of which is why Hillary is yet to do a perp walk)
It wasn’t politically motivated. He was just a pissed off old man. It didn’t matter to him that his neighbor was a senator.
That is according to his scumbag lawyer and we all know how honest lawyers are. I just don’t understand how someone almost kills a U.S. Senator and gets to walk out of jail. Being wealthy must be so much fun. Beat up a Senator and bail out.
We really don't know why Paul was attacked. We don't know if it was politically motivated or not. Cowboy is right that the fact that his lawyer says it wasn't politically motivated doesn't prove that it wasn't.
In various news reports, there has been talk from some neighbors that has been a long-standing dispute *not* about politics between the two men, probably about landscaping of property; other neighbors have indicated that is not correct, or at least that it couldn't have been that Paul didn't take good care of his property's landscaping. We don't have a good way to judge the veracity of any of that.
The attacker hasn't spoken out about it (and would we believe him now?), nor has Paul (and he probably won't now because of the court case), and don't forget that he was *blindsided* in the attack and had headphones on. If the attacker didn't say anything and/or Paul didn't hear anything, he may not have a clue why it happened.
"I just don’t understand how someone almost kills a U.S. Senator and gets to walk out of jail."
(1) He *didn't* "almost kill" him. Initially, it seemed the damage was minor. *So* minor that no ambulance was called. The damage was more extensive than initially thought, but it was still *far* from "almost killing him." *FAR* from it.
(2) He gets to walk out of jail because he was charged with a *misdemeanor,* based on the initial assessment, and he posted bail based on that charge. Just like anyone else.
People charged with attempted murder (which he was *not*) usually can get out of jail on bail.
I don't know why the charge was not increased to a felony, but perhaps it will be.
Then the manic gets to plead not guilty. I mean really? A Democrat almost kills a Republican U.S. Senator, walks out of jail and then he has the balls to say he didn’t do it and the judge lets him go? I feel like I’m living in the twighlight zone. Not much makes any logical sense anymore.
Anyone can plead not guilty. Do you really not understand our court system?
Now he has to go to trial. And maybe before that happens, he'll be charged with one or more felonies.
And he did *not* almost kill him. He broke two ribs and displaced 3 more (those still count as fractures, but it's a different kind), and I think a lung was punctured, and he had some abrasions.
When you say that Paul was almost killed, people know that you are overdramatizing the situation, and they will tend to not believe much of anything else you say. If that's what you want, fine, but I doubt you really want that.
The closer you come to the truth (as best we know it, which admittedly isn't always easy to determine from news reports), the more people will respect what you have to say.
He was almost killed, Susan. Don’t lie.
Susan’s right, Cowboy. You should be more interested in the truth.
Oh. I am. That’s why she’s trolling me right now. She can’t handle the truth.
I don’t think she’s trolling you. She’s presenting the facts because you won’t. Paul would be disappointed in you, tsk.
So now you’re trolling me too? Must’ve struck a nerve. Lol.
When you accuse me of lying after I have *carefully* explained that you are just wrong - which can be confirmed by anyone reading any of hundreds of news reports - you just make yourself look silly again.
He was *not* "almost killed."
If I'm crossing a street as a pedestrian, and a car takes a left turn into my path, bumping into me and breaking my lower jaw, would you say that I was "almost killed"? I *would* have been killed if the car had hit my skull instead of my lower jaw, and crushed my brain. But it didn't.
If the car came within three feet of me but didn't touch me, would you say I was "almost killed"? I *would* have been killed if the car hit me square on and crushed me. But it didn't.
In neither of the lesser scenarios would anyone (except maybe you) say that I was "almost killed." *Certainly* not for *legal* purposes, which is what you're describing. You couldn't sue the driver of a car who DIDN'T HIT YOU AT ALL, even if you felt it "almost killed" you.
Honestly Cowboy, I’ve been trolling you since my initial comment in the thread above. I like Rand Paul, I just know how emotional you are about him. It’s like watching a giddy schoolgirl.
The evidence is that Rand was almost killed and the court let his attacker get out of jail and claim he didn’t do it. That is insane.
I know, xxxceo. You’re an ignoramus. I expect that s from you. I really thought susan was more intelligent though.
She seems to know more about your hero’s misadventure than you do, I’m just sayin’.
The facts back me up, so she’s obviously lying for some unknown reason.
What charge did he plea not guilty too.
Almost killing Rand Paul.
Bullshit. The charge was misdemeanor assault in the fourth degree.
He did *not* "almost kill him." The damage *was* worst that was initially thought, and it's questionable why the charge was not *later* changed to a felony (although it still could be, I believe), but he was charged based on the initial observation, which was a *misdemeanor.*
So now you’re pissed and going to troll every comment of mine. Ok.
He was almost killed, Susan. Don’t lie.
I'm not "trolling," (or lying) I'm giving rons the answer to his question, because you gave him a bullshit answer. That is *not* the charge at all.
I already correctly answered him, so yeah. You’re definitely trolling me now.
Susanr, so he pleaded not guilty to the misdemeanor charge of attacking his neighbor. Seems like he should pled guilty and it would be over.
How do you know he’s a communist? I haven’t heard that?
You figure that out yourself. So who attacked Rand? Aliens or a cowardly Communist?
I see, well he did of course.
Of course he did.
Zimmy, I think cowboy tends to call any liberal a communist.
Well when someone supports policies that come from the Communist manifesto and almost kill a Republican U.S. Senator, it is a logical conclusion.
lol attempted murder... guy atempts murder on a us senator gets out of jail the same day... must be white
Must be wealthy...
Case in point, O.J. got away with murder.
Simpson had hos bailed denied. even a black athlete and movie star couldn't get the same treatment
So who attacked Rand Paul since Rene (girls name. No wonder the Communist coward attacked Rand from behind. Fucking pussy) told the court he didn’t. Must’ve been aliens, right?
he said he wasn't guilty of assault... not that he didn't tackle rand
lol are you seriously judging him by his name? is this middle school?
So who broke Rands ribs and bruised his lungs? The cowardly Communist with a girl’s’ name, or aliens? Aliens, right?
again... he said he was not guilty of assult.. if you come on my land and destroy my property and I tackle you, did I assult you or am I defending my property?
Must’ve been those pesky aliens.... 🙄
Demeaning someone for having what you think is a "girl's name" is asinine.
Please go to this link and look at this picture. One of these people was named René. I hope that sobers you about denigrating someone for what you think is a girl's name ever again.
If that doesn't do it, maybe this will: The person who holds the record as the top Allied Forces fighter ace of the 20th and 21st centuries combined was also named René.
I didn’t name the cowardly Communist, who almost killed Rand Paul, Rene, Susan. Now you’re blaming me that? Getting a little petty now, aren’t you?
mudkip, we don't really know why the attacker assaulted Paul. I haven't seen any verified information that Paul came onto his property - have you? Even if he did, that wouldn't seem to warrant a blindsided assault.
Don’t say “we” like you speak for everyone, Susan. That’s quite presumptuous.
"We" the general public *do not know* why Paul was attacked.
Still wrong. All YOU know is what this scumbag Communist’s lawyer said.
ya I have no idea what their defence is gonna be. but I was just explaining how claiming not guilty doesn't mean he's saying he didn't hit him
Like I said, must’ve been aliens.
He’d probably be dead if rand wasn’t mowing his lawn
Which is a part of the story many seem to ignore. Rand Paul a sitting senator mows his own lawn. We need a poll of how many members of congress do that
Plus Rand wearing noise canceling ear protection. Didn’t see or hear this cowardly Communist coming.
I'll bet he isn't the only one who does *some* physical work when he's in his home district.
Remember when George Bush did some ranch chores while he was President?
I do I just think it’s probably rare