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DerekWills November 9th, 2017 3:12pm

Every single law on the books that regulates, prohibits, or otherwise controls firearms and who can possess them is, by its very definition, a gun control law. I do not support ANY gun control laws. Even the ones currently on the books. Do you?

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Robert97206 Portland Oregon
11/14/17 1:34 pm

No.

I am with you on that.

Shall. Not. Be. Infringed.

NKarta Please excuse my sanity
11/10/17 1:23 pm

So murder with a firearm is ok? To say no would be to support a law restricting the use of firearms.

DerekWills Lone Star Gun Rights
11/10/17 2:38 pm

They’ve done their time and been deemed worthy to be released back into society. Their rights should be restored.

dylkohl The Media Lies
11/10/17 7:57 pm

disagree. once dangerous always dangerous.

DerekWills Lone Star Gun Rights
11/11/17 5:51 am

Then we should have mandatory life sentences for every violent crime, correct?

dylkohl The Media Lies
11/11/17 5:57 am

no, we should vary between different length sentences for minor violations, life sentences for certain crimes, and death penalty for the worst of the worst

NKarta Please excuse my sanity
11/11/17 4:48 pm

First of all, you didn’t answer my question. And having done their time doesn’t mean they’re a safe person. They’ve shown that they are inclined to harm people, and if you want to say someone with one conviction can appeal and get their rights back, fine. If somebody’s been to jail two or three times for attacking people, it’s very likely they will never stop attacking people and they should not have their job made any easier. Not that laws will stop them from getting guns, but we should be able to put them away for longer because they do.

DerekWills Lone Star Gun Rights
11/11/17 5:07 pm

I misunderstood your question. No, murder is an act that violates the rights of others. It has nothing to do with the tool used. Murder is what is illegal. Not murder by knife or murder by firearm. The 2A says nothing about homicide. It says keeping (owning) and bearing (possessing) arms.

DerekWills Lone Star Gun Rights
11/11/17 5:09 pm

And if someone continues to commit crimes, why do we allow them to be released back into society?

NKarta Please excuse my sanity
11/11/17 5:23 pm

But you are restricting how someone uses their firearm by saying they cant murder others with it.

DerekWills Lone Star Gun Rights
11/11/17 5:33 pm

Nobody has the right to infringe on the rights of others under any circumstances. That has nothing to do with a firearm. I don’t have the right to have sex with a woman who doesn’t consent to it. It doesn’t matter if I use a firearm or brute force. You’re confusing the acts that infringe on the rights of others with controlling specific tools that could possibly be used to do such an act.

Ducttape
11/10/17 9:55 am

The right to protract your self, family, and property is human nature. However, you must acknowledge the rules and conditions in which is required to be a part of a society. The government can and does take away rights, no matter how morally wrong or right it is, that’s reality. The constitution, which so many gun owners use as a basis for their bare arm rights, was created to be changed for the betterment of the people as time and society changes. It has been changed several times and will likely be changed again. The constitution was created by the people wanting to change things for the better, today we are too lazy to enact any real change and instead bicker like children. If gun owners were so passionate about their rights, they’d move together to change the 2nd amendment to specifically protect their rights instead of going on such a broad statement made over a hundred years ago.

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Okie1967 Is Biden self aware
11/10/17 7:45 am

I do support common sense regulation designed to ensure a modicum of safety and to prevent known violent criminals from legally possessing them (ensuring a means of additional punishment after the next crime).

DoctorWasdarb Marxist Leninist Maoist
11/10/17 6:22 am

I think it's reasonable to prohibit people guilty of violent crimes, or with severe mental illnesses. But it's not an issue I care much about.

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TomLaney1 Jesus is Lord
11/10/17 2:14 am

No. And neither does the Second Amendment!

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ReligiousCommie No Longer Active
11/09/17 1:34 pm

One. People shouldn't be able to have things like nerve gas and white phosphorus (what's the term for weapons like that again?)

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DerekWills Lone Star Gun Rights
11/09/17 1:58 pm

A lot of weapons like that are easily made with household products. Making them illegal to possess isn’t the reason no one possesses it... it’s because no one wants it.

ReligiousCommie No Longer Active
11/10/17 9:26 pm

Still, they should be illegal on the off chance some nut decided to use them.

DerekWills Lone Star Gun Rights
11/11/17 6:13 am

Which wouldn’t matter anyway, because they’re easily made, like I said.

STONEYTJONES Indiana
11/09/17 11:17 am

Everyone has the right to bear arms.

But when you do certain things like commit felonies you forfeit your rights.

That is a choice you make.

DerekWills Lone Star Gun Rights
11/09/17 11:25 am

That’s not how Rights work. Rights are rights. Period. Privileges are conditional.

STONEYTJONES Indiana
11/09/17 12:43 pm

Uh no. Freedom is a right. If you murder someone you forfeit your right to freedom and you go to prison.

DerekWills Lone Star Gun Rights
11/09/17 1:00 pm

If you murder someone, you have stripped another of their right to live, and are punished by being temporarily incarcerated (or permanent in few cases). When they have completed their time, they are being entrusted back out into society. Their G-d-given rights are restored as a result. Government does not have the authority to regulate G-d-given rights. Taking them away is an injustice in and of itself. You wouldn’t strip someone’s right to speech or free thought due to their actions for the reason that that is not a right granted by government. Bearing arms is no different. Your feelings don’t matter, nor do mine.

STONEYTJONES Indiana
11/09/17 1:32 pm

There are laws against felons being able to do certain things.

Everyone knows that or can find out by reading.

By making the choice to be a felon you are knowingly giving up those things. That is a choice they make.

DerekWills Lone Star Gun Rights
11/09/17 1:55 pm

Just because those laws exist doesn’t make them right or constitutional. Obamacare is the law, does that mean it’s in line with the Constitution?

STONEYTJONES Indiana
11/09/17 2:08 pm

Now your getting off track.

If someone is a violent criminal they should not have access to guns. It should be illegal. They gave up their rights.

Who cares if they served their time. They’re still a violent criminal.

DerekWills Lone Star Gun Rights
11/09/17 3:12 pm

You don’t have the authority to permanently strip someone from the rights they were given by G-d.

STONEYTJONES Indiana
11/09/17 3:32 pm

I’m not really religious but I’m pretty sure the Bible doesn’t say it’s ok to murder or that murderers must be given weapons. Just a wild guess.

DerekWills Lone Star Gun Rights
11/09/17 4:19 pm

The Bible does say that murder is a sin, but it also preaches forgiveness. Make no mistake, man’s judicial system and G-d’s judicial system are very different, but that doesn’t give man the right to deprive someone of the rights given to them by G-d.

Religious beliefs aside, do you believe the right to bear arms comes from government or is it inherent to us as human beings?

STONEYTJONES Indiana
11/09/17 6:02 pm

The right to defend yourself is inherent.
The right to bear arms is in the constitution.

DerekWills Lone Star Gun Rights
11/09/17 6:40 pm

And given that bearing arms is the means by which one defends themselves, why should a felon not be afforded the same right to defend himself with the same tools as you or I?

STONEYTJONES Indiana
11/09/17 6:57 pm

They still have the right to defend themselves. They can use their hands, knives, an axe, etc.

They can’t use a gun because they chose to be a felon.

DerekWills Lone Star Gun Rights
11/09/17 7:13 pm

Can you not rob or murder someone with the aforementioned weapons?

STONEYTJONES Indiana
11/09/17 7:20 pm

Yep.

Should they chop their hands off?

DerekWills Lone Star Gun Rights
11/09/17 7:25 pm

I was going to ask you the same question. The 2A says “arms,” which is defined as a means of offense or defense, and says it “Shall not be infringed.” Since the right to self defense is an inherent right, the means by which one defends themselves shall not be infringed, anyone who has done their time and is entrusted back into society shall have their rights restored to them in full. Prohibiting any sect of people from the means to defend themselves is repugnant to the Constitution, and a violation of our inherent rights.

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STONEYTJONES Indiana
11/09/17 7:39 pm

The people as a whole do have the right to bear arms.

Some people choose to forfeit that right with their actions.

Felons inherent rights to defend themselves arent taken away.
Their right to bear arms which is given to them by the 2nd amendment is taken away because they have shown they can’t be trusted. They made that choice.

DerekWills Lone Star Gun Rights
11/09/17 9:01 pm

So, then you believe the right to bear arms (any arms, including knives, axes, clubs, etc) comes from government and is not inherent to us?

STONEYTJONES Indiana
11/10/17 4:33 am

You’re all over the place.

Violent criminals should not have guns. It’s that simple.

When they choose to become violent criminals they also make the choice to forfeit their right to use a gun.

It’s a simple choice that they make.

DerekWills Lone Star Gun Rights
11/10/17 6:01 am

I’m not all over the place. You said that felons have the right to use knives, axes, and hands to defend themselves. I pointed out that they could still use those to commit offenses against others. To clarify I’m asking if you believe that the right to keep and bear the tools used to defend oneself are inherent rights or granted by government, which you did not answer.

Also, no one can choose to forfeit their rights. They can only choose to not exercise them. So, please answer my question. Does the right to bear arms (any arm) come from government, or is it inherent to us as human beings?

STONEYTJONES Indiana
11/10/17 8:32 am

I tell ya what, go to the nearest firearms dealer and find the most expensive weapon they have or can get and tell them to give it to you because it is your right to have it.

Let me know how that goes for you.

DerekWills Lone Star Gun Rights
11/10/17 8:33 am

A right to something doesn’t mean I get it for free...... and you still didn’t answer my question.

STONEYTJONES Indiana
11/10/17 8:39 am

So you have the right if you can afford it? That doesn’t sound like a right.

DerekWills Lone Star Gun Rights
11/10/17 8:56 am

You still didn’t answer my question. I’ll address yours once you do.

STONEYTJONES Indiana
11/10/17 9:11 am

I have addressed your question.

Everyone has the right to defend themselves.

Everyone doesn’t have the right to use whatever tool or weapon they want to defend themselves.

I can’t use a nuclear weapon to defend myself because I think it’s my right to use whatever I want.

DerekWills Lone Star Gun Rights
11/10/17 9:44 am

So, to clarify, you believe the right to bear arms comes from government?

STONEYTJONES Indiana
11/10/17 10:01 am

Do you consider nuclear weapons an arm? Do you have the right to use them to defend yourself?

Dude, what is your point? I have told you my point of view but you keep chasing your tail. What you are saying doesn’t make any sense.

Just say what you have to say stop trying to get me with some bullshit question.

DerekWills Lone Star Gun Rights
11/10/17 10:47 am

All I want is an answer. Does the right to bear arms come from government. It’s not a gotcha question. It’s a question on your beliefs. Does it come from government or is it inherent to us?

STONEYTJONES Indiana
11/10/17 11:05 am

I have answered you more than once.

Just say what you want to say.

DerekWills Lone Star Gun Rights
11/10/17 2:37 pm

Where? I don’t see an answer anywhere...

mudkip17 United States of Texas
11/09/17 9:40 am

so you believe that the Texas shooter, someone who had a violent domestic past and had even planed a mass shooting on his air base should have unrestricted access to military style weapons?

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DerekWills Lone Star Gun Rights
11/09/17 10:32 am

If he served his time, and was released back into society, then absolutely. His circumstances are interesting because he “passed” his background check. Evil doesn’t need a gun to carry out their acts. He likely would have made an IED from a pressure cooker if guns were banned.

mudkip17 United States of Texas
11/09/17 3:08 pm

he would've likely made a bomb out of a pressure cooker? based on what?

DerekWills Lone Star Gun Rights
11/09/17 3:16 pm

An example that evil will find a way. He also could have used a Rider truck filled with fertilizer or a Home Depot truck....

knetzere Illinois
11/09/17 9:29 am

I support the right of the people in every instance not just pertaining to arms

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Liberty 4,032,064
11/09/17 9:25 am

No, not a single one.

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DerekWills Lone Star Gun Rights
11/09/17 9:10 am

Look at all these supporters of gun control... you know what it means when you support gun control? It means you don’t support the 2A as written and intended.

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