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Show Of Hands November 7th, 2017 6:47pm

Should incarcerated felons have the right to vote?

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FadingGlory California
11/14/17 7:39 pm

Voting is a right. Not a privilege. Even if some of these prisoners have committed unspeakable crimes, their right to vote should not be infringed upon.

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patriot321
11/13/17 11:57 am

Hahahahaha that's funny. Look who thinks felons should have the right to vote! You guys look for votes in the worst places.
Jail
Mexico
Lol

sydneyswaggon
11/12/17 6:09 am

Hell yah! If they paid their fines and did all the court required they should be able to vote. This is America. Freedom. Democracy. Our statutes change, something illegal now may be accepted in a few years....but that framework. You can’t abandon that.

Me4POTUS United States of America
11/10/17 11:28 pm

Yes. Incarcerated felons are still U.S. citizens, and the Constitution grants the right for U.S. citizens to vote in elections. It’s simply unconstitutional that they’re taking away the right of U.S. citizens to vote, even if they’re in jail.

historyqueen
11/10/17 1:20 pm

No, once out of prison that's fine, but not while incarcerated. When the are incarcerated they give up their right. Most of them are productive members of society or they wouldn't be there to start with.

ehube513 Lebanon PA
11/10/17 10:38 pm

I️ agree with the part about letting them vote out of prison. They served the consequence that the courts deemed necessary. Why should we continue to punish?

Wizine
11/09/17 1:59 pm

Stripping anyone of the right to vote is a dangerously slippery slope. It can be and has been easily manipulated for political gain. Marijuana was criminalized in large part part to target political enemies of Nixon.

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dryanmorr
11/09/17 12:03 pm

No. They’re incarcerated. Criminals. Though it would help the democrats.

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ladyniner81 I hate people
11/09/17 7:29 am

Depends on the crime

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ehube513 Lebanon PA
11/08/17 9:58 pm

What about someone who made a mistake 20 years ago? Sometimes a felony is just a small mistake. But now they’re hard working members of the community. How is it okay to not let them vote?

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runningman02 New York
11/08/17 7:21 pm

They are still citizens of this country, as much as you might hate them

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dryanmorr
11/09/17 12:05 pm

They’re also incarcerated. They forfeit many of their rights. Also, majority wouldn’t vote on the streets but if allowed to vote in prison the vast majority would.

bobbabson Conneticut
11/08/17 2:56 pm

I didn't realize that we get to take away people's rights when we don't like them

Henry123 Connecticut
11/08/17 3:14 pm

What do you call throwing someone in jail??

Think Lovin Life
11/08/17 2:09 pm

You commit a felony and you should NEVER vote again.

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savalordtester
11/08/17 12:01 pm

Let's not act like there are enough of them to even change an elections results. Why not let them vote

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akrealist a log cabin in the woods
11/08/17 6:16 am

I wonder how many felons (as a percentage vs. general voting-eligible population) actively voted before they were incarcerated.

Seems likely to me that most didn’t. Therefore, it also occurs to me that changing this ban it would truly create a “new” potential pool of voters, who may courted along party lines and influences.

wonch
11/08/17 1:03 am

If people lose their right to vote they should not be counted when drawing districts, one of the easiest forms of gerrymandering. I feel this should be the issue at hand.

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Amaranth Eastern Iowa
11/07/17 9:57 pm

Literally no good reason to ban them from voting. Most felons are non-violent drug offenders. Committing felony doesn’t make a person’s political views any less valid.

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badattitude no place like home
11/07/17 10:02 pm

But you lose rights when you're convicted. It's part of the punishment. Perhaps you'll think twice about doing the crime.

ComradeBrad
11/08/17 10:47 am

Do you have any evidence that striping people of their right to vote discourage people from committing crime?

badattitude no place like home
11/08/17 10:59 am

We can't even get people to stop shooting each other when they know they face the death penalty. So do we just let them or continue to hope it makes some stop?

Spiritof76 USA 1776
11/07/17 7:07 pm

Nope, as a felon you forfeit your right to participate in democracy.

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Sentinel Ya ie wa noh
11/07/17 8:20 pm

Show me.....us, where the Constitution strips citizens of fundimental right's infinitely.....where is the redeeming factor the Law recognizes and prescribes.....in this day and age and legal terms that is "discrimination".....

dm0704 Las Vegas, Nevada
11/07/17 8:27 pm

It originally only gave the right to people who met certain criteria. As the right expanded we chose to not make it all encompassing to the felons mostly.

Sentinel Ya ie wa noh
11/07/17 8:47 pm

Correct.....a citizen's right to vote is a right that harm's no one , many States already reinstate voting rights upon release from physical incarceration.....

dm0704 Las Vegas, Nevada
11/07/17 9:05 pm

Yeah they have a choice. But there is no obligation to let them. It's a state issue. And they do knowingly forfeit their right when committing such a crime in a state that would bar them.

Spiritof76 USA 1776
11/07/17 9:11 pm

As a felon, meaning, while you're serving time in prison. After time served, you're rights get reinstated (unless, of course, you're in for life w/o parole).

wolfsong Full time animal lover
11/08/17 7:27 pm

"Infinitely" it's only while they're in prison in the case of this poll

Sentinel Ya ie wa noh
11/08/17 7:35 pm

Yes and No.....Some members firmly believe that "criminals" have no redeemable qualities or value.....therefore, should be cast into the darkness of society, no to be seen or to have their faceless voices heard by vote or within the Hall of Justice......

mowhake Washington State
11/07/17 7:03 pm

Depends. I think there should be a limit set

cjrocks9102 New York
11/07/17 6:45 pm

If criminals cannot follow the laws, they should not have a say on how they work.

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Casper Deep inthe Heart ofTexas
11/07/17 6:56 pm

I️ agree mostly but...
Just because I️ have 2 speeding tickets doesn’t make me an experienced & knowledgeable driver.

prallen Property and order
11/07/17 6:35 pm

No, but I disagree with the current classifications of felony crimes. Drug sale ought not to be a felony. Larceny should be.

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badattitude no place like home
11/07/17 10:04 pm

What about drug sales of narcotics that kill children? We are not talking about weed here.

mrscheisskopf2 Kentucky
11/08/17 7:26 am

Are there lots of children over there in vegas doing narcotics or something? We don't have that here

badattitude no place like home
11/08/17 7:31 am

Yes you do. You're just isolated and naive. It's everywhere, it's killing thousands of kids. It's killed more kids than the entire Vietnam war. Did you not hear the president and congressmen talking about the epidemic? We're talking about prescription synthetic opioids and heroin from over the border.

badattitude no place like home
11/08/17 7:33 am

By 2015, annual overdose deaths from heroin alone surpassed deaths from both car accidents and guns, with other opioid overdose deaths also on the rise.[5]

Drug overdoses have since become the leading cause of death of Americans under 50, with two-thirds of those deaths from opioids.[6] In 2016, 64,000 Americans died from overdoses, 19 percent more than in 2015, and had killed more Americans in one year than both the wars in Vietnam and Iraq combined.

mrscheisskopf2 Kentucky
11/08/17 7:36 am

By "children" I thought you meant actual children, like 10 year olds. I don't disagree with you I just thought it was funny because 10 year olds aren't running around on meth

prallen Property and order
11/09/17 12:25 am

Black market narcotic trading is mostly a product of the felony system and the regulations surrounding prescription and hospital opioids.

badattitude no place like home
11/09/17 5:22 pm

A 14 year old child dying on the street from an OxyContin overdose is a child lost. If you don't believe that's a child then you obviously don't have any children.

badattitude no place like home
11/09/17 5:24 pm

I'm not sure what your point is prallen. Could you clarify?

prallen Property and order
11/11/17 1:06 pm

If narcotics were legal, the market would not be a “black market” by definition. There’s a reason that there aren’t liquor cartels, because alcohol is legal for consumption, even without a prescription. The extent to which shady people sell alcohol is the extent to which they’re dealing with illegal imports, unlicensed stills, and other regulated business. So if you deregulate these pharmaceuticals, there will no longer be the same cartels, smuggling, and violence associated with them. People will die because of their choice to take the drugs, not because of collateral damage or drug wars like today.

badattitude no place like home
11/11/17 1:16 pm

There's a good idea. Lets sell heroin in the liquor store. Then only adults would be addicts and the money will pass through legitimate businesses. That's a great idea.

badattitude no place like home
11/11/17 2:08 pm

The "collateral" damage you're speaking of is gang warfare not overdose deaths. So the 30,000 overdose deaths would get worse. But the good news, the 5000 Gangsta killings in Chicago would decrease. Wow, I'm not sure what the upside of your idea is.

Sentinel Ya ie wa noh
11/07/17 6:15 pm

Yes......once physical incarceration is complete and the completion of adjudicated sentence(s), with those exceptions prescribed by precedence established i.e....(murder,violent crimes et.al exceptions) meaning maximum term of sentence.....the Law was meant to be corrective, not punitive.....by completing the sentence successfully, and again with those exceptions in place, they have paid back the debt prescribe by the Court and Law......

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Sentinel Ya ie wa noh
11/07/17 6:29 pm

Incarcerated..... No, until the terms of my previous post are met....

rebelfury76 F Trump, F His Base
11/07/17 5:25 pm

Why not? They're citizens. Voting is a smoke screen anyway.

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scrpnHOG Arizona
11/07/17 6:26 pm

Only for democrats. The DNC picks.

Survivalistien I am Green and Retired
11/07/17 4:59 pm

No. Don’t commit the crime if you want to vote.

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rebelfury76 F Trump, F His Base
11/07/17 5:25 pm

You know how many people are locked up for victimless "crimes" right?

RNJen Bay Area USA
11/07/17 5:32 pm

They should be focused on reflection. You lose your rights to society as a criminal. That is the point

Survivalistien I am Green and Retired
11/07/17 5:33 pm

Yeah and you know how much of my fuckin tax dollars go to them druggies just to house them?

Survivalistien I am Green and Retired
11/07/17 5:35 pm

Point is that it’s been outlawed and you defy the law by sticking up, selling and manufacturing.

rebelfury76 F Trump, F His Base
11/07/17 8:08 pm

Sounds like you'd be in favor of Portugal style drug decrim since drug use has plummeted since they legalized everything. 👌

rebelfury76 F Trump, F His Base
11/07/17 8:10 pm

And Jen you can't just make a conclusion like that and pre-suppose it's true. Says who? "You lose your rights." Again, says who? You can't just state it as matter of fact like "water is wet" or "Antarctica is cold," "just how it is."

It doesn't need to be that way and there are people in jail for some pretty stupid shit.

badattitude no place like home
11/07/17 10:06 pm

Nationalist, they don't lock up people for just using anymore. They don't have room.

RNJen Bay Area USA
11/08/17 7:56 am

Rebel “people are in jail for stupid shit” than the problem of placing people in jail needs to be solved, not lightening up on murders and allowing them to have their pizza nights and comfy blankets all while they vote on how our government is run. We put them in jail because we the people decided that they were unfit for society. We decided this. They committed crimes. If you think the crimes are negligible then take it up with the court system

rebelfury76 F Trump, F His Base
11/08/17 8:50 am

Lol talk about a straw man. Holy shit. And lolololol no we didn't knock it off with this "we the people" crap. 😂

RNJen Bay Area USA
11/08/17 8:59 pm

Rebel- What exactly is strawman here?

rebelfury76 F Trump, F His Base
11/08/17 10:10 pm

No one suggested making prison a resort. We're talking about one issue and that is American citizens being able to vote in our smoke screen farcical "free and fair" elections.

Gunfighter06 Iowa, since 1846
11/07/17 4:47 pm

Felons? No. Someone who is pre-trial with no previous felonies? Yes.

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Charlie1988 Massachusetts
11/07/17 4:37 pm

No but once they are out and have served their debt to society absolutely!

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Zod Above Pugetropolis
11/07/17 4:20 pm

Not paroled or early-released felons either, until they have served the full sentence AND have had their voting privileges restored by the court. Like losing their right to own or handle a firearm, in all but very rare cases it should last forever.

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LeftLibertarian Peak Political Discourse
11/07/17 3:58 pm

Absolutely, I’ve said this before, I can’t see a more effective way to challenge the injustices of our prison system without revolution.

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YAB Kentucky
11/07/17 3:52 pm

Once they are released but not while in prison

Casper Deep inthe Heart ofTexas
11/07/17 7:55 pm

So, maybe we shouldn’t release felons.

YAB Kentucky
11/07/17 8:22 pm

Even after they’ve served their sentence

Casper Deep inthe Heart ofTexas
11/07/17 8:30 pm

Becoming a felon isn’t an easy task.
Their just reward includes loss of rights & privileges. They should be recognized for what they earned for the rest of time. No amount of time served nullifies what they earned.

YAB Kentucky
11/07/17 8:56 pm

That’s all fine and good but once they’ve been released back into society as a normal citizen then they should have the same rights as normal citizens

Casper Deep inthe Heart ofTexas
11/07/17 10:28 pm

I️ disagree.
Once a felon always a felon.
They should know that before they earn their title.

YAB Kentucky
11/07/17 10:30 pm

You clearly don’t believe in second chances then. Also, if they are released from prison then they shouldn’t still be treated as if they are still in prison

Casper Deep inthe Heart ofTexas
11/07/17 10:42 pm

I️ do believe in second chances. I’ve hired felons.

I️ don’t believe being released from incarceration erases a felon’s record.

I️ believe voting should be forfeited by felons regardless of their incarceration status.

YAB Kentucky
11/07/17 11:09 pm

I mean it obviously doesn’t erase their record but there are already laws in place where they can’t buy guns and other things but not being allowed to vote, that’s a little bit of a stretch.

Henry123 Connecticut
11/07/17 2:51 pm

Clearly the rights are not 100% inalienable if you can get thrown in jail in the first place... meaning you can give them up with your actions

dylkohl The Media Lies
11/07/17 2:31 pm

those who are unable to operate within a society should not be able to decide how it is run

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GayForJesus
11/07/17 1:50 pm

A country should be judged based on how it treats its worst off citizens. I’d believe that would include felons.

chinito Florida
11/07/17 2:21 pm

Let's set them free and give each one a Ferrari.

BlackC
11/07/17 1:31 pm

But once done with sentence yes

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mark4
11/07/17 12:54 pm

A world without consequence is a world without meaning.

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44YY Boston, MA
11/07/17 1:15 pm

A government that denies inalienable rights to its citizens is not one that I want to live under

Zebera5659 Kennewick WA
11/07/17 1:37 pm

It is not denied when your action are the cause of it

Henry123 Connecticut
11/07/17 2:53 pm

Theoretically people would have this inalienable right to freedom as well no?

So are you suggesting we should get rid of the criminal justice system because it denies people rights??

Maynard Londor
11/07/17 12:36 pm

Not while, but afterward they should be allowed. That's the point of a punishment, it's suppose to go away when it's over.

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iceberg124
11/07/17 12:06 pm

Didn't SOH ask this question like a week ago

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gluxford1 Arizona
11/07/17 12:04 pm

Absolutely not. They forfeited their freedoms the moment they committed the crime that put them behind bars. Actions have consequences.

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44YY Boston, MA
11/07/17 1:16 pm

Ever heard of inalienable rights?

gluxford1 Arizona
11/07/17 1:17 pm

Yup. Prisoners have never been entitled to those in American history.

Zebera5659 Kennewick WA
11/07/17 1:39 pm

Nor should they have those rights as long as they are locked up. They have chosen to forfeit those rights by their actions.

gluxford1 Arizona
11/07/17 1:44 pm

Exactly right, Zebra!

cecasejr Knoxville TN
11/07/17 11:57 am

Nope. They have proven their judgement is impaired.

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cowboy SCOTUS 2020
11/07/17 11:57 am

Of course not. Hillary tried that type of election fraud in Virginia during the last Presidential election.

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qmastrangelo back again one day
11/07/17 11:56 am

Participating in government is a fundamental Constitutional right for all Americans, and incarceration shouldn't change that.

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Zebera5659 Kennewick WA
11/07/17 1:38 pm

If they can not live by the laws of the land they give up those rights

qmastrangelo back again one day
11/07/17 1:48 pm

That's not true at all, they're called "inalienable" rights for a reason. Plus, there have been some very ridiculous and unjust laws in our history. Should MLK have been deprived his right to vote after being sent to prison in Birmingham for his activism? Hopefully you agree the answer is no.

chinito Florida
11/07/17 2:18 pm

The inalienable rights are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. Are you arguing that we don't take away their liberty?

Zebera5659 Kennewick WA
11/08/17 8:45 am

It is there actions that take away their rights. MLK was able to vote when he got out correct? If they serve their time then after they get out they should have the right to vote. So you think some one that murders someone, taking the victims right to life away, should be able to keep their rights. Your rights end when you infringe on mine

Liberty Lets Use Logic
11/07/17 11:54 am

Actual violent felons? No.

Innocent people who have been convicted of something silly or obscure? Absolutely.

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chinito Florida
11/07/17 2:08 pm

Felons. It doesn't apply to misdemeanors