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Looks like I misread the poll. Well that's a bit embarrassing, haha.

Anyway, I have seen this happening a bit, yes.

WV - Misread the Q. Not a Q about AntiFa. My prediction is white men who commit these acts will be labeled as AntiFa terrorists.

I think it depends on his background. When I look on the news and see that a white guy killed seven people I think insanity. When I see he was an active progressive activist then I start to think AntiFa possibilities. When I see a black man killed six I think insanity. When I see he was 19, in Chicago, and the victims were members of a certain gang, then I start to think gang violence. When I see an Arab who kills 6, I think insanity. When I hear reports that he was advocating Islamic ideology and yelled certain things during the act I think extremist, but until I see some affiliation I don't consider him a terrorist.

Shazam, you forgot to add that the Russians will blamed for everything. ⬆️⬆️

KS - I don't think the Rightwing will need the help of the Russians or Cambridge Analytica to move this one forward.

I agree with you. Just thought you needed to add one more to the list.

Anyone know how many Mosques have been burnt down since the NYC islamic Terrorism Truck attack?

“Parts”?!?

New Jersey did. That’s the only one I know of

*should they not

Just realized that the Q could be read that way. I meant they will begin labeling white shooters as "AntiFa" terrorists. As far as AntiFa being terrorists. No. antiFa is a made up term. The group in black are anarchists. Should we label anarchists terrorists? I'd be ok with that.

They terrorized Berkley

Shaz antifa have already been labeled terrorists by some government agencies.

Can’t understand why some stick up for thugs on either side of the fence.

I agree rons

I am not sticking up for the group called AntiFa by the right. They are anarchists, and I completely oppose them as much as I oppose the Trump Nationalists on the right. My point isn't that. My prediction is that the rightwing will begin attributing acts of violence by white males to this group with as little need for proof as they have for labeling Muslims, ISIS or blacks gang bangers.

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Shaz, sounds like a stretch.

Did you come full circle left wing or something.

Huh?

Just seems you lean extremely left since I been on hiatus

I always saw Shaz as leaning left

I agree that Shazam has seemed to have gone more left since Trump was elected.

Nope. Same old same old. I'll try to dig up a very old poll I did on where I stand on issues. Hasn't waivered - or at least very little. It DOES seem to me though that since the beginning of the Republican primaries, many (but not all) on the right seem to be acceptant of just plain sh!t information. Stuff like this poll is asking about. It seems anything - no matter if any facts whatsoever back it up - is lapped up by the masses and accepted for truth. Anything fact based to the contrary is simply labeled "fake news" and dismissed. I'm posting more on it bc it's ricockulous.


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Ah, fair enough

Maybe you are just posting more political polls then? Anyways, I don’t hate you for being who you are even if we don’t always ride the same wave.

Really?

Someone here has been spreading that.

Here as in soh

Might have been me. I’ve been ready for the antifa revolution since Shazam posted the poll about it starting. I think you referenced Alex Jones in it.

There is a young, argumentative girl who is doing it. Actually, it looks like they are going for a domestic angle. Inlaws went to the church.

I hate to say good to hear, but I’d rather it be a domestic issue than part of a larger threat.

Either way, I feel so bad for all involved.

Agreed on both. I don’t know a way to stop it though.

And now it would appear as though he intentionally targeted the church.

SWERV - I can swear allegiance to the Ohio State Buckeyes, paint my whole house Scarlet and Gray, fly an OSU flag out front, have school photos all over my FB page, idolize Urban Meyer and have quotes tattooed on my body. None of it makes me a football player. If I tried to get a job coaching HS football and used those as my qualifications, I'd be laughed out of the room.

Is Saipov a member of ISIL? Not unless he went to Iraq and spent some time training/fighting there.

Is he a terrorist? Maybe. We throw that word around a lot - and use it ubiquitously when a person is Muslim.

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SWERV - you're ex or current Navy if I'm right?

Current Navy. And why do you liberals refuse to accept that someone who requests a ISIS flag might just be a terrorist who is part of ISIS? Occam's razor applies here. If he claims to be part of ISIS, why do you assume he isn't?

As a vet, when I see these army wannabes running around wearing tacti-cool gear, talking about how badass they are, I ask why they didn't join up. Most blather on about a medical condition, or they were gonna but... Most are 50lbs out of shape, smoke, and would probably fail the ASVAB. Putting on the clothes, and buying the gear doesn't make one a US soldier. It's also why stories like this bug the shit out of me: youtu.be/rbkB8Rf6b2U

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As far as this guy goes, he isn't from Iraq/Syria and has been here for 10 yrs - so before ISIL started.

www.fbi.gov/investigate/terrorism

ISIS supporter or member is just semantics.

“ISIS, in particular, encourages sympathizers to carry out simple attacks where they are located against targets—in particular, soft targets—or to travel to ISIS-held territory in Iraq and Syria and join its ranks as foreign fighters. This message has resonated with supporters in the U.S. and abroad, and several recent attackers have claimed to be acting on ISIS’ behalf.”

He doesn't have to live in Syria to be part of ISIS. If he claims to be part of them, why are you saying he isn't? Who needs to come out and say that he is? It's not like terrorists keep a log book of current members.
As far as this other jackass, he was dishonorably discharge from the Air Force. It takes a pretty big thing to be dishonorably discharged. Drug offenses and other minor offenses are usually other than honorable.

"I can swear allegiance to the Ohio State Buckeyes, paint my whole house Scarlet and Gray, fly an OSU flag out front, have school photos all over my FB page, idolize Urban Meyer and have quotes tattooed on my body. None of it makes me a football player."

No, it makes you a diehard supporter. And if he shot and killed people then that no longer makes him just a sideline supporter but an active component.

SWERV - same reason I am saying I'm not a big10 football player just because I swear allegiance to them, or a soldier simply bc I buy clothes, or a Marine just bc I wear a uniform in an airport (vid link above).

My understanding is that he was given a bad conduct, not dishonorable. Not a huge dif, but apparently what let him buy the guns w/ bg check.

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No. It doesn't. It makes him a mass murderer, and potentially a terrorist, or potentially just mentally ill. It does not however make him a member of ISIS. This really isn't that hard to understand. ISIS is a military force based in the Middle East.

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Does ISIS have the same type of enrollment as our military? Is it as formal? Can they only be members if they live in the Middle East? Does our military leave the US?

Making sense now?

"Does ISIS have the same type of enrollment as our military?" Not too dissimilar from what I've read.

"Is it as formal?" It actually does sound like it. There was a report about two girls who ran off to join. Definitely a structured onboading process.

"Can they only be members if they live in the Middle East?" Of course not. But there has to be more than just a photo on FB or a note found on the ground near a truck.

"Does our military leave the US?" Yes. How many ISIS soldiers have left Iraq and came to the US again? I remember reports from the Rightwing saying they were amassed on the Mexican border carrying Ebola, but I guess the Texas Rangers prevented that one too?

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Your example doesn't make any sense Shazam. If he committed acts of terror against Americans (which he did) and then claims to be part of them, why are you saying he isn't? Using your example, you would have to play a game with them to make it the same. So if you did all that nonsense and then were on the sidelines during a game and the coach let you run a play, then yes, you are part of the team, if even for a brief moment.

"There was a report about two girls who ran off to join. Definitely a structured onboading process." It couldn't be that if they were caught here trying to find and join ISIS they would be traitors and spend life in prison? That it would be easier to join and be trained in the ME?

"Of course not. But there has to be more than just a photo on FB or a note found on the ground near a truck." Like what, dog tags? A certificate of membership?

"Yes. How many ISIS soldiers have left Iraq and came to the US again? I remember reports from the Rightwing saying they were amassed on the Mexican border carrying Ebola, but I guess the Texas Rangers prevented that one too?" I don't know. I bet most ISIS soldiers don't know either. You were former military right? We're you informed of ALL military movements abroad? That's an emphatic "No".

SWERV - nope. That would make me part of the team. To fit the analogy to reality, it would be more akin to my doing all of that, going to the local park, and destroying a bunch of preschoolers playing flag football - and then saying they played the Ohio State Buckeyes.

Think of it another way. A guy buys a Marine Corps uniform, hops a flight to Haiti, and burns a village to the ground. Says he's part of the USMC. The US Military says he's not. Who is right?

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Still not correct. A man in a marine corps uniform saves a stranger stuck in a fire. He says he is part of the marines and the marines say he isn't. The marines are still right but it would be in line with what they would do.

I can get on board with that. However, if they say he is part of the Marines, but he never enlisted, went through training, etc. both would be wrong, correct?

Yes, but what you said didn't match the scenario. Now, if he said he was a terrorist and committed terrorist acts, he would be a terrorist, correct?

SWERV - it does actually. Yes he would be a terrorist. But his claiming he's with ISIS, and ISIS saying he's part of them are both incorrect. Exactly the same as the fake marine fire savior and the USMC in the immediately above example.

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