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DerekWills November 6th, 2017 11:39am

A guy with a dishonorable discharge obtained several firearms and killed 26 people in Texas. A dishonorable discharge appears on a NICS background check and stops a transfer. Did background checks work to stop this shooting?

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fcdrvr
11/06/17 2:44 pm

A dishonorable discharge could mean lots of things. There’s not just one thing that you do to receive that mark on your records. And why is a dishonorable discharge on a background check anyway? It should only be on there if what he did was bad enough to not qualify to purchase a gun. I know felons can’t buy but I think the guy who evades taxes and gets a felony is way different than a killer or someone who has committed assault or rape.

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Goobledorf Texas
11/06/17 10:31 am

He got the guns illegally so yes background checks did work because he did try but before that and was denied

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Diogenes IgnoranceNoBlissEs
11/06/17 10:46 am

Reread the question. I understand your point, but you didn't answer the question.

smart1
11/06/17 9:01 am

Time to break out the handy "Mass shooting checklist":

1. Send thoughts & prayers but don't actually do anything useful. ✔

2. Argue over semantics of the term "assault rifle." ✔

3. Argue over semantics of the term "terrorist" - if Muslim use it, if Christian/white use terms "lone wolf," "mentally ill," "troubled past." ✔

4. Congress does nothing and the NRA increases donations just in case. ✔

5. Wait for next one, rinse, and repeat✔

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Nemacyst No Lives Matter
11/06/17 9:26 am

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thatguy2 I am Antifa
11/06/17 10:29 am

This shooting was about a domestic situation, but don't let that stop you from pushing the antifa lie.

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
11/06/17 10:32 am

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thatguy2 I am Antifa
11/06/17 1:21 pm

Nice link to nothing. Are the Russians paying you to perpetuate these lies or are you just a useful idiot?

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
11/06/17 1:33 pm

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thatguy2 I am Antifa
11/06/17 1:36 pm

As I suspected, you're just a useful idiot.

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
11/06/17 1:42 pm

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shygal47 Florida east coast
11/06/17 8:45 am

The report I saw this morning said the weapons were purchased legally by someone else ... so I guess the TX shooter must have gotten them at Midnight Gun Sales, Inc.
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shygal47 Florida east coast
11/06/17 8:48 am

There are a lot of versions of this story. Guess I’ll have to check the BBC to see what’s really going on.

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
11/06/17 9:27 am

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jrpacman Pensum iocus est
11/06/17 8:28 am

Do we know that he obtained the guns legally?

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missmorganmarie ...
11/06/17 10:43 am

he lied on the background check form

Jazzy5 USA
11/06/17 7:35 am

Yes... he was refused a carry license! His guns, he acquired illegally!

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DerekWills Lone Star Gun Rights
11/06/17 7:26 am

He still did prison time.

DerekWills Lone Star Gun Rights
11/06/17 7:28 am

Conviction of domestic violence also shows on NICS checks. I keep seeing both Bad Conduct and Dishonorable...

MrsCrayonWax Katies Purpose
11/06/17 8:07 am

It was a felony, yes?

rons on top of the world MA
11/06/17 8:09 am

I just said it was reported incorrectly. Not a DD.

Squidboy Snarkapottamus
11/06/17 8:34 am

I came here to echo @rons comments. In the rush to get the story out....I think some sources misclassified his discharge. It looks to me as if he had a ‘Bad Conduct Discharge’ which does not preclude him from owning a firearm. Is that correct? I do know that a DD prevents it. So it would appear that this was a legally obtained firearm. Assuming that is the case....is it worth discussing whether or not a convicted domestic abuser should be allowed to have a firearm? I’m not taking a side here....I’m asking for an opinion.
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MrsCrayonWax Katies Purpose
11/06/17 9:19 am

It is worth a discussion.

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
11/06/17 9:28 am

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rons on top of the world MA
11/06/17 9:31 am

They just reported on TV that his discharge is not clear yet or if he legal to purchase the three guns he had with him. He did buy them, one rifle and two hand guns. Seems the citizen shot him but he killed himself in the car.

rons on top of the world MA
11/06/17 9:33 am

He was also licensed to be a security guard. He did not have a license to carry. The security guard had no weapon. Like at a rock concert.

Squidboy Snarkapottamus
11/06/17 9:50 am

@nemacyst -help me out since I don’t know. Is the DV stipulation a Texas law?

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
11/06/17 9:53 am

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Squidboy Snarkapottamus
11/06/17 10:32 am

Domestic violence/domestic assault-as you state above.
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Nemacyst No Lives Matter
11/06/17 11:41 am

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DerekWills Lone Star Gun Rights
11/06/17 11:54 am

DV is covered under federal law.

Jazzy5 USA
11/07/17 6:06 am

Seems the USAF. Dropped the ball! Tragic. Because of paper work. Plus he lied on form 4473.

MrsCrayonWax Katies Purpose
11/07/17 6:46 am

I read that last night. Unacceptable.

Liberty Lets Use Logic
11/06/17 5:22 am

No, but thankfully there was an armed man there who did.

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Ebola1 Florida
11/06/17 5:36 am

This ^^^

DerekWills Lone Star Gun Rights
11/06/17 6:06 am

Yup. He was a neighbor of the church. The shooting only took place for about a minute before he returned fire. He likely saved several lives.

abusara i drink and i know things
11/06/17 6:11 am

He didn't stop it soon enough.

DerekWills Lone Star Gun Rights
11/06/17 6:24 am

No, but he wasn’t in the church when it started...

MrMilkdud Pref pronouns Thou Thee
11/06/17 7:35 am

He stopped the shooter faster than the police did.

MrMilkdud Pref pronouns Thou Thee
11/06/17 7:36 am

Which takes nothing away from the police- it just demonstrates how the police can’t be everywhere, and depend on an armed population to defend themselves and others.

DerekWills Lone Star Gun Rights
11/06/17 7:40 am

There are 650,000 sworn police officers in this country... and 320 million people.