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STONEYTJONES November 6th, 2017 3:55am

How will taking guns from law abiding citizens make criminals stop using them for murder?

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jstahl Build that wall
11/06/17 4:05 pm

The same way criminalizing drugs keeps them off the street. Oh, wait...

arctostaphylos Ankh Morpork, New York
11/06/17 10:17 am

'Criminals,' as you seem to conceive of them, aren't the only ones that commit murder... A significant proportion of gun homicides and suicides are crimes of passion and acts of desperation. Having decreased access to firearms decreases the success of those attempts. Pretending that's not true is disgustingly dishonest.

STONEYTJONES Indiana
11/06/17 10:51 am

Should we also ban automobiles?

STONEYTJONES Indiana
11/06/17 12:35 pm

A significant proportion of automobile homicides and suicides and accidents are crimes of passion and acts of desperation. Having decreased access to automobiles decreases the success of those attempts and accidents. Pretending that's not true is disgustingly dishonest.

See, so if you want to ban guns shouldn’t you also want to ban automobiles? Whats the difference?

arctostaphylos Ankh Morpork, New York
11/06/17 2:58 pm

I don't want to ban guns, not sure where you got that from.

Also, your absurd extrapolation lacks rigor. Having ready access to vehicles does not correlate with increased rate of success of homicides and suicides remotely as closely as ready access to guns do. In abusive relationships, a woman is 7 times more likely to be murdered by her abuser if her abuser has ready access to guns. The same actually isn't true for ready access to cars.

But if you really want to insist on your non sequitur: I'd be wholly in favor of implementing laws that require people to pass tests demonstrating knowledge and assume level of experience in the safe operation of vehicles before letting people operate them, with more rigorous experience and testing requirements those who want to operate more advanced/complex vehicles, and a way to keep track of who gets to operate what kinds of vehicles. It'd be really cool if somebody could come up with something like that, but, alas, I guess we'll never get there.

STONEYTJONES Indiana
11/06/17 8:35 pm

Automobiles kill and injure more people than guns.

STONEYTJONES Indiana
11/08/17 6:10 am

Is drinking and driving or being high on meth really an accident?

MrsCrayonWax Katies Purpose
11/06/17 6:21 am

It won’t. Taking guns away as a whole will only show us how creative the depraved mind can be when hell bent on murder.

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abusara i drink and i know things
11/06/17 6:20 am

Uh, because law abiding citizens are just that - law abiding - right up until the moment they commit murder with a gun.

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STONEYTJONES Indiana
11/06/17 7:23 am

Most people that commit murder with a gun have criminal records. As did the shooter at this church. So no they are not law abiding citizens up until that point.

Malekithe Cities on flame
11/06/17 3:57 am

"Where people are moral, laws are unnecessary.
Where people are immoral, laws are broken"

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FacePalm That Trick Never Works
11/06/17 2:13 am

How will making all guns available to all people without restrictions make our streets, schools, and churches safer?

*note I am not a proponent of taking guns away from all people*

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STONEYTJONES Indiana
11/06/17 7:27 am

All guns are not available to all people. That is complete bullshit. Just liberal tripe because they are incapable of defending their own positions and beliefs with truth and facts.

FacePalm That Trick Never Works
11/06/17 11:36 am

Some pro-gun folk would like it to be that way.

The idea that a majority of liberals want to “take guns away from everyone” is completely and utter bullshit as well.

I believe my response is a reasonable one, given that truth.

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STONEYTJONES Indiana
11/06/17 12:00 pm

Who has said all guns should be available to everyone?

STONEYTJONES Indiana
11/06/17 8:31 pm

While that link is a good argument for the 2nd amendment you still didn’t answer the question.

WHO said all guns should be available to all people?

FacePalm That Trick Never Works
11/06/17 8:45 pm

Ya know what? Based on your response to that article, I believe you are one who would have zero restrictions.

Given your dishonesty regarding that opinion, I am bowing out of this discussion.

No reasonable exchange can occur if both parties do not share any common understanding about what is and is not true.

Ciao!
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STONEYTJONES Indiana
11/08/17 6:07 am

You are bowing out because that is what those on the left do when asked to back up your claims.

You can’t back it up because no one has ever said all guns should be available to everyone without restrictions.

FacePalm That Trick Never Works
11/08/17 7:41 pm

I notice that you never did answer MY question...

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STONEYTJONES Indiana
11/08/17 8:43 pm

You didn’t ask a question.

I noticed you can’t back up your bullshit claim so you keep trying to change the subject.

Who says that all guns should be available to everyone without restrictions?

FacePalm That Trick Never Works
11/09/17 2:21 am

Nope, you don’t get to answer my question with another question.

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FacePalm That Trick Never Works
11/09/17 2:31 am

Q: Are there any circumstances that you think we should be limiting gun sales of any kind in America?
TRUMP: No. I am a 2nd amendment person. If we had guns in California on the other side where the bullets went in the different direction, you wouldn't have 14 or 15 people dead right now. If even in Paris, if they had guns on the other side, going in the opposite direction, you wouldn't have 130 people plus dead. So the answer is no
Source: Fox Business 2016 Republican 2-tier debate , Jan 14, 2016

He has stated that terrorists should not get guns, but that’s about it.
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STONEYTJONES Indiana
11/09/17 4:44 am

Again, for the slow ones. You did not ask a question. You are just making up bullshit in an attempt to avoid answering the question I have asked you 3 times.

Who says that all guns should be available to everyone without restrictions?

You made the claim, back it up.

STONEYTJONES Indiana
11/09/17 5:03 am

The President has also mentioned we have gun laws already. We don’t need more. And that we need to do much more on mental health. It isn’t the gun it’s the person.

FacePalm That Trick Never Works
11/09/17 3:07 pm

You are just arguing for arguments sake.

I did ask a question. It was the first comment on this thread.

If I were a fan of taking away someones guns, yours would be the first to go, because you are clearly irrational.

Again and for the last time, farewell.

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STONEYTJONES Indiana
11/09/17 3:29 pm

The only question you asked was the one that made no sense because no one has said all guns should be available to everyone without restrictions. That is your own made up BS.

WHY CANT YOU BACK UP YOUR CLAIM?

mudkip17 United States of Texas
11/06/17 1:15 am

probably the biggest lie fed by the NRA is that the dems are out to just take guns away from law abiding citizens... in 8 years as president did Obama take anyone's guns away?

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Malekithe Cities on flame
11/06/17 3:53 am

A president cannot.

voc I am...what I am
11/06/17 5:06 am

No, but there were plenty of people saying he was going to do it anyway. For 8 years, all you heard about is how that Kenya born Muslim was going to take our guns

STONEYTJONES Indiana
11/06/17 7:31 am

If they would have had enough of a majority they would have. And will in the future if they get the chance.

ladyniner81 Embrace your inner dork
11/06/17 2:27 pm

Exactly! The republicans whined for 8 years that 8 years about how Obama was gonna take away their guns. When THEY make the laws, THEY'RE the majority. Obama couldn't do jackshit. Idiots

Ebola1 Florida
11/06/17 12:21 am

It won’t.

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gluxford1 Arizona
11/05/17 11:07 pm

I won't. Criminals, by definition, don't follow laws.

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gluxford1 Arizona
11/05/17 11:07 pm

* It won't

lj74
11/05/17 10:42 pm

It won’t.

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4JC Christian Pastors Wife
11/05/17 10:05 pm

💠 STONEYTJONES asked:
11/06/2017
How will taking guns from law abiding citizens make criminals stop using them for murder?

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4JC Christian Pastors Wife
11/05/17 10:06 pm

It WON’T. Chicago has proven that! And this is the 2nd church shooting recently in which a citizen with their own weapon helped take down the shooter.

Also, this shooter was former military, had been court-martialed for wife and child abuse, had been dishonorably discharged, and so from what I understand, it was illegal for him to have a gun to begin with!

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lj74
11/05/17 10:42 pm

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deist
11/05/17 9:00 pm

Because it seems the “only” people using guns designed for war to kill the enemy are use them to kill American citizens.

deist
11/05/17 9:01 pm

Our worst problem is the right and there obsession with war and killing...

STONEYTJONES Indiana
11/05/17 9:15 pm

You didn’t answer the question.

deist
11/05/17 9:23 pm

Your right, I didn’t. I personally hate that. It happens to me too..

Answer: it won’t but you intentionally trying to change the conversation, knowbody is trying to take guns away from law enforcement, where in the hell did you even get this idea. Where , I really would like to know where you got the idea that this is happen,,, and no conjecture, I answered your question. Now answer mine who is trying to take guns from law enforcement?

deist
11/05/17 9:24 pm

Can I ask why are is your user name in capital letters

lj74
11/05/17 10:43 pm

Not true. You never hear about the millions that use them for peaceful purposes.

knetzere Illinois
11/05/17 11:23 pm

Where did law enforcement get brought into this?

STONEYTJONES Indiana
11/06/17 7:17 am

Who said anything about law enforcement? You seem to be confused. Maybe you should go back and reread the question.

STONEYTJONES Indiana
11/06/17 7:17 am

You still haven’t answered the question.

NKarta Please excuse my sanity
11/06/17 3:58 pm

I have used my AR alone more times than an AR type rifle has been used in a mass shooting. I can name at least 20 people who this also applies to. Therefore, your comment about military rifles is wrong.

STONEYTJONES Indiana
11/06/17 8:33 pm

His question makes no sense because I didn’t mention law enforcement.