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Donaldo November 6th, 2017 12:41am

Should law abiding citizens be allowed to own ar-15 rifles (and other similar firearms)?

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FinnSum Biden Harris 2020
11/06/17 6:58 pm

Donald Trump is the Tyranny I’m afraid of. I own an ar 15. I have shotguns. I prep. Why am I democrat?
1)Trump
2)Uneducated conservatives talking out of their ass
3)Democrats look out for the little guy. I’ve been the little guy

Mackinaw Wolverine State, est.1837
11/06/17 12:55 am

The people should be properly equipped to protect their rights against any threat, foreign or domestic, including their own government. As such they should have access to the necessary arms to do so, including not just semiautomatic rifles, but automatic machine guns, anti-tank weapons, SAMs, armor, and aircraft and so on.

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FinnSum Biden Harris 2020
11/06/17 4:49 am

YOU DONT NEED A FREAKING MACHINE GUN! REPUBLICANS ARE SO STUPID

knetzere Illinois
11/06/17 5:21 am

When trump sends his racist nazi minions to grab me by the pussy I want every advantage possible.

People that want to make their fellow citizens defenseless are such morons

Mackinaw Wolverine State, est.1837
11/06/17 6:15 am

1) I am not a Republican, I'm a Libertarian.

2) Machine guns would be awfully useful when facing a conventional industrialized fighting force, such as the United States Army.

rons on top of the world MA
11/06/17 7:17 am

An AR15 is not a machine gun. It’s basically a semi auto .22.

Mackinaw Wolverine State, est.1837
11/06/17 8:40 am

I'm aware. I was referring to heavier weapons.

FinnSum Biden Harris 2020
11/06/17 6:54 pm

I love AR 15s. But you said we should have machine guns? I mean that’s bs why do we need em?

Mackinaw Wolverine State, est.1837
11/06/17 8:57 pm

As I said above, to protect your civil liberties and your community from a tyrannical government.

gluxford1 Arizona
11/05/17 11:09 pm

Of course. That's our right as Americans.

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susannr Colorado
11/05/17 8:00 pm

Melt the guns!

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susannr Colorado
11/05/17 8:02 pm

The U.S. gun violence death rate is higher than nearly all countries in sub-Saharan Africa, including many that are among the world's poorest! pretty interesting

4boot LaTrineodeur, MN
11/05/17 7:33 pm

When rental trucks are banned...

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Inthebackofacar
11/05/17 7:03 pm

They are extremely unnecessary.

Alcerus fascist
11/05/17 7:04 pm

So are Ferraris, but we're still allowed to buy them, aren't we?

Inthebackofacar
11/05/17 7:07 pm

Well Ferraris weren't made to kill things.

Alcerus fascist
11/05/17 7:17 pm

Neither were box vans, but that doesn't stop people from loading them with TATP and blowing up a military checkpoint. My point is that a violent person who wants to kill somebody will find a way to kill somebody. There is no law that anybody can write up that will prevent mass killings. If you ban guns, people will use knifes, if you ban knives, people will use construction tools. There's nothing that you can ban that will solve the problem; what we really need to be looking at is the individuals who commit these killings, and find out what caused them to act. No sane person just wakes up one morning and thinks "today, I want to kill a lot of innocent people". There must be some driving force, and it is this that we must be looking into, not arbitrary bans that will not have any effect other than infuriating a large portion of the American populace.

Inthebackofacar
11/05/17 7:25 pm

Well knifes and construction tools are in no way as deadly guns. So having stricter gun control would definitely save a countless number of people.

Alcerus fascist
11/05/17 7:29 pm

I would say that the stats on murder by weapon type would disagree with you, but I can see that you're steadfast in your beliefs and you'd be unwilling to change your opinion.

4Freedom1776
11/05/17 7:31 pm

Knives are used to commit assault more than guns are so there’s a viable argument to say knives are more deadly.

Alcerus fascist
11/05/17 7:33 pm

Also, we're specifically talking about AR-15s, not the "all firearms, including pistols" category.

Inthebackofacar
11/05/17 7:36 pm

And I'd say the stats of murder in over a dozen countries including the US would disagree with you. I mean in what world could the Vegas shooter have killed 60 people with anything else. Well I'm talking about all firearms here.

Inthebackofacar
11/05/17 7:38 pm

4Freedom but that argument quickly falls apart when the fact that guns are deadly than knifes emerges.

Alcerus fascist
11/05/17 7:53 pm

Are you asking me how it's possible to kill over 60 people without the use of a firearm? It's pretty easy actually. Here's a list from The One True Source: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_battles_and_other_violent_events_by_death_toll

Specifically under the tab "terrorism". There's your answer.

4Freedom1776
11/05/17 7:54 pm

They don’t want to see that gun control isn’t the answer. It doesn’t fit their agenda.

Inthebackofacar
11/05/17 7:55 pm

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. Jesus man, InfoWars! Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! That entire site is propaganda.
www.cbsnews.com/news/how-u-s-gun-deaths-compare-to-other-countries/

looks like firearms kill almost twice as many people than every other form of murder combined.

Inthebackofacar
11/05/17 7:58 pm

You do realize that many of those used bombs right, and most Americans don't have the knowledge to make those, especially the criminals.

Inthebackofacar
11/05/17 7:59 pm

And the source I provided proves that gun control works.

Alcerus fascist
11/05/17 8:13 pm

My friend, "gun deaths" includes suicides, not just murder. Please compare the suicide by firearm vs murder by firearm rates. The US has an unusually high suicide rate, which is further evidence that we need to look into the individual and mental health aspect of mass killings, instead of the tool used to commit these crimes.

Banning hammers isn't the same as banning carpenters, there will still be carpenters, just no hammers, yes? Then consider the fact that getting rid of the tool of destruction will not get these dangerous people off the streets. There will still be people with dangerous mental defects walking around.

Shouldn't we find out why people do these things, and figure out how to keep people from reaching these levels of instability, rather than just banning things left and right?

Inthebackofacar
11/05/17 8:28 pm

Looks like you didn't look at my source.

Like I've said guns are deadly than than hammers, knifes, cars, etc.. So expanding gun control would once prevent many needless deaths.

Well I'm for that too, but there's no perfect system. People out of nowhere can go on a killing spree that's why we should also prevent random people from acquiring a simple weapons that can easily kill dozens of people with little effort. That means guns, not knifes, not cars, and not hammers since they are not as deadly as guns.

kspells TheOtherOtherside
11/05/17 6:06 pm

If you need to use one, it’s already too late.

badattitude no place like home
11/05/17 6:05 pm

Yes, As long as the rest if us are concealed carry we wont have anything to worry about.

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deist
11/05/17 5:50 pm

As a liberal, I completely support the need and ownership of a gun. People have need and the right to protection. What I don’t support is the ownership of war like guns...

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PointB Libertarian Centrist
11/05/17 6:01 pm

What is the difference between an AR-15 and a normal semi-auto? It is cosmetic. There are many more non-“war like” guns that are MUCH more dangerous.

deist
11/05/17 6:08 pm

Oh this is interesting,,,, do u own an Ar15... and know the difference between M16 and auto and non auto , cuz as liberal..... I do trust me .... so if you wanna a Argue or discuss bump stocks and mods or anything else about long guns .. I’m your man. Also yes I was in the army....

Donaldo just watching
11/05/17 6:10 pm

I would think that liberals wouldn't want the government to say what guns we can and can't have. I know that's typically not the case, but just a thought.

deist
11/05/17 6:14 pm

It’s not guns for protection, it’s weapons of war. Ppl are going crazy pay killing children dude ...

deist
11/05/17 6:17 pm

Using rifles meant for war to gun down five year olds p, is that what you want... it’s not left or right ,,, dem or rep,, they’re killing kids.... with these rifles ...

deist
11/05/17 6:18 pm

Not enemy’s not bad guys but kids and innocent people, yet they keep defending they’re use...

Donaldo just watching
11/05/17 6:25 pm

At-15s are made for war?
Are you opposed to civilians owning handguns?

deist
11/05/17 6:35 pm

As a liberal, as a human being,
as a American god no... people deserve and have the right for protection
, criminals are out there I’m for open carry. Own as many as you want ,,, but ppl don’t need to own weapons meant for war..

deist
11/05/17 6:37 pm

But ppl mostly men, will continue to kill. Hikdren inthe untied States where there suppose pledge allegiance to the flag will be gunned down by it..

Donaldo just watching
11/05/17 6:44 pm

Why is it a weapon of war?
I guess maybe it's more important if you tell me the difference between a weapon made for defense and a weapon made for war, because I am ignorant.
But it is interesting you say it's not a right or left wing issue, yet you include identity throughout your comment lol.
My earlier comment regarding that was that I usually think of freedoms, rights, and protection of liberties when I see the word liberal. But I know that's not how it is.

Alcerus fascist
11/05/17 6:49 pm

AR-15s are not weapons of war, Deist. You're thinking of M4s and M16s. My weapon in the Army was an M4A1 with an M320 grenade launcher, a Beretta M9, and an M1A2 SEP V2 Abrams main battle tank.

I don't think civvies should be allowed to own full auto rifles, grenade launchers, or tanks, but if somebody has murder on the brain, they're going to kill people regardless of weapon availability. Take a look at Japan a few years ago with the mass knife attacks or vehicular homicide rampages. I don't see how an AR would be more deadly than a Ruger .223 Ranch Rifle; the only grounds for banning them would be their semi-automatic capability, but one only needs to look at the "clocktower sniper" to see that one doesn't need a semi-auto rifle to cause great damage...

deist
11/05/17 6:52 pm

It’s a weapon of war because that’s where and what it was created for... how can I be this stupid...

Donaldo just watching
11/05/17 6:54 pm

Idk, but you are

deist
11/05/17 6:55 pm

It wasn’t created to shoot at road signs stupid... it’s a war machine and it and you are chopping up six year olds with it.

Donaldo just watching
11/05/17 6:58 pm

lol you're really losing me on this conversation 😂

Alcerus fascist
11/05/17 7:02 pm

If you can't trust yourself to not kill small children with a rifle, then by all means, don't buy one. Me and the rest of the responsible firearm owners will hang onto ours though, thanks.

deist
11/05/17 8:13 pm

Alcerus, it seems like you guys with the ar 15 are the murderer , your worse than pedos, Your killing our children, your a new kind of serial killer ..

deist
11/05/17 8:14 pm

The guy craving his guns .... like a sick fetish until he kills ....

deist
11/05/17 8:16 pm

See like pedos , you can’t give up the obsession... except your victims are in the ground... not in therapy...

Alcerus fascist
11/05/17 8:22 pm

What the fuck drugs are you on, man? I'd 'ignore' you, but as the saying goes: "without idiots, there would be nobody to talk about"

deist
11/05/17 8:29 pm

My drug is hate ... hate for you, this countries worst problem. Look out info wars and brietbart says your not a man if your not afraid of the lizard ppl... lol

Donaldo just watching
11/06/17 12:52 am

I thought you guys say that americas worst problem is "hate", but look at you. You've not really made any real arguments, but instead you've gotten emotional and insulting, and you yourself admit that you are full of hate.