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I'm not an NRA but I do believe in the second Amendment. I am Independent and see my self going more and more right everyday because of dumb stuff like this.

You’re right I’m it’s dumb and I’m sure Jesus would’ve been pro-gun and pro second amendment too! 👍🤣

Likewise

What are trying to even say or prove in that comment

I'm talking to anyonebuttrump

Oh well, the price of freedom I guess. Thoughts and prayers, etc, etc. Now back to cutting taxes for the people who don't need a tax cut!

Ummm. Actually Hitler expanded gun rights to the German people.

and they will kill less people than if they had they had guns.

Try mixing fertilizer and diesel fuel sometime.

Cool story bro. But that'll still lead to less dead people in the entire country.

If less deaths are good and the ultimate end, should we ban Muslims so we have less terrorist attacks?

You don't know what you're talking about. More Americans have killed other Americans with guns in the past year, than foreign terrorists killed Americans have in over a decade. There's a difference between doing something that's sensible, like gun control, and doing something that makes no sense, like banning a religion.

All I know is that Muslim terrorists kill people. You value less deaths over freedom. Thus, you must want to ban Islam to save more lives.

What? "I hate freedom" you have this the other way around, you hate freedom, for there's no greater take away to freedom than someone's life. BTW Muslims are people guns aren't. Guns have killed more Americans in a few decades than the total number of dead Americans in all the wars we've ever been in combined, Muslims haven't. Islam condemns killing people, gun are literally made to kill. You're just proving that you don't know what you're talking about.

If you take out suicides the number is greatly diminished. I'm not saying I believe Islam should be banned. If you think that restricting the second amendment is good when it saves lives, why not go on to the first?

Well there isn't a single major religion that thinks murder is ok, Islam included. Even when religion is a factor in killings in America it's still less than guns. What I'm trying to say is, religion isn't meant to kill, words aren't meant to kill, protests aren't meant to kill, guns on the other hand were invented to kill.

Lol😂😂😂 "Islam condemns killing"
Islam is the most oppressive religion in the world. Also about guns there is a reason we have the 2nd amendment it is for us the citizens to protect ourselves from a tyrannical gov. Which I'm not saying that the U.S gov will ever do. It's a pre caution. Also with gun deaths you have to include suicide witch is 60% of gun deaths. Gang gun deaths are 25-29% and also you have to account for justified gun deaths like police killing a bad guy and citizens killing someone trying to rob, kill or etc 2.2%. gun accidents around like 5-8%. Finally Mass Shootings LESS THAN 1%

Also Gun deaths on Avg have been declining over a couple decades now.

No those would be extremist groups, Islam on the other hand condemns killing people.

A precaution for something that will never happen.

And gun control would work in hand to reduce all gun crime, not just mass shootings. I also want to point out something about defensive gun use, when a gun is present in a home an occupant is going to shoot themselves 11 times, shoot an innocent person 7 times, accidentally shoot the gun 4 times before they shoot a criminal once.

Gun violence is still a problem, we've killed more of our own with gun in the past few decades than we lost in every war we've ever been in combined.

A country with such effective gun control policies is have to say is Japan. Major crime bosses there say "having a gun is like walking around with a ticking time bomb". They now have total shootings in the low double digits and shooting deaths in the low to mid single digits. All because gun control works.

I'd also like to point out that gun ownership is on a downward slope.

The Quran says if: Two people guilty of illegal intercourse are brought to Muhammad, who orders them both stoned to death. Apparently their act was out of love, since the verse records the man as trying to shield the woman from the stones.

Adultery is one of three justifications for killing a person, according to Muhammad.

Islamic Law - "The stone shall not be so big so as to kill the person by one or two strikes, neither shall it be so small that it cannot be called a stone" The victim is intended to suffer.

If a man who is not married is seized committing sodomy, he will be stoned to death." (Note the implicit approval of sodomizing one's wife

Also study came out about 1/3 of all Muslims want America to die and establish sharia law which is around 330 million Muslims which is the size of America

I don't know where you got the first statistics about shooting yourself and stuff that is fake and not true. Also the Japan thing is different they don't have a diverse country like ours 99% of their pop is Asian so their culture is all the same. Also suicide their is HIGH. Also it has been proving more gun owner ship leads to less crime and less deaths. Look at cities that have lax gun laws and then look at cities that have strict gun laws. Ehh about gun ownership declining I looked and it has been pretty even for close to 100 years and slowly drop because of more police and some states making it almost impossible to buy a gun like New York. Also gun owner ship is up 44% in the last two years and 5% won't disclose if they do

Dude there are about a dozen things in the bible that say when it's OK to kill people, and like Islam it all comes down to what the entirety of the religion thinks. In both cases both condemn murder. What you're saying is basically half baked extremist views. Except for that last one, that's a case of people wanting their religion represented in government, almost every religion does the same in almost every nation, US and Christianity included.

Alright what about Australia, Canada, the U.K., and a large chunk of Europe. Some of those nations are almost exactly like America except in gun policies and all have lower murder rates. Even in America, the old west was pretty tamed and low on crime in settlements, mainly due to the fact that people had to leave their guns at the sheriffs. Look how well having guns did with Las Vegas. Lower gun ownership and strict gun control has been proven to lower murder, while higher gun ownership is directly linked to more gun crime, because duh, and gun crime is deadly then any other common weapon used in crime. My research has shown that as gun ownership has fallen so has murder.

We are not talking about the Bible but since you brought it up. Can you please show me in the Bible where it says it is ok to kill. Also don't pull from the Old Testament because we have modernized and now have the New Testament. Also not true 99% of Muslims that live in Eastern Europe countries agree with Sharia and Sharia has those Quran verses as their Laws. Also Britain Muslims "progressive Muslims" about 75% believe they should have Sharia in Britain.

Also like I said not true. more gun ownership decreases crime and Murder. But you might also says deaths and the reason that it will decrease gun deaths is that well people that want to commit suicide can't do it with a gun so they hang them self or over dose or etc. and remember that's 60% of gun deaths.
Also Crime rate has gone up significantly in places where gun laws are super strict or ban. Look at Detroit, New York, Baltimore. When Britain decided to get rid of guns in cities crimes have gone up and still going up knife killing has gone up huge that's why they are pushing to ban certain knifes now lol.

Also I am sorry for my sentence structure. It must be a little hard to read lol. I was in class trying to quickly type

May I first offer you a solution. If you're in any way worried about grammar or sentence structure just wait till you have the time to do it. I mean if someone complains about the time gap in between your post, that ends up discrediting them more than you.

In the New Testament only? Well that seems a bit unfair since Christians do believe in and teach with it. Also since in Matthew 5:17 it says that Jesus believed in the laws of the Old Testament. Then there's Romans 1:31-32 describing all those "worthy of death". Then there's Corinthians 10:10 saying people who murmur (not murder) will be destroyed by God. There's also Hebrews 9:13-21 which say God will not forgive unless with bloody sacrifice.

I'd also like to say a few verses from the Quran like Quran 2:194 "Remember there is no hostility is allowed except towards the aggressive." or 5:32 "whosever killeth a human being it shall be if he has killed all of mankind, and whoso saveth one shall be as if he has saved all of mankind". 6:151 "and do not kill a soul God has made". 5:81 "and you will find that the nearest in love to the believers are those who say 'We are Christian'. Even Muhammad went to Mecca after being persecuted and having his sons murdered and forgave instead of calling for violence, but when he did call for violence he'd always make sure the people there knew before he attacked. I could go on and on, but isn't it just easier to say that books written a thousand years ago shouldn't always be taken literally and that no major religion wants murder to continue.

Now like I've said, where there is higher gun ownership there is more gun related crime, which is a deadly form of crime compared to knife crime. I'd also like to point out that Americas gun problem has directly caused the vast number of mass shootings in this country. I'd also like to say that most other forms of suicide are not as effective as gun assisted suicide, and that only 3% of people who survive a suicide attempt die from suicide, so gun control could prevent, maybe a few hundred suicides.

There's a difference between small scale gun control and large scale gun control there's about 2 dozen countries where it worked in lowering murder. Knife crime is still less deadly, it in no way comes close to the saved lives from having gun control, even terrorists haven't been able to get guns in Britain. I believe you got cut off and were going to say "knifes" from what I've heard they're only considering it for knifes and other similar weapons made for fighting, not like kitchen knifes, pocket knifes, nor other things like that.