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pof November 5th, 2017 7:22pm

Should children be forced to say the Pledge of Allegiance in school?

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katerina13 where I should be
11/11/17 8:15 pm

Posted below in response to someone’s question about my comment. Here goes...

Do you know what the first thing a country, clan or king, or even ISIS, does when it wins a parcel of land or a battle to take over a castle? They raise their FLAG or family crest. That’s the first thing North Vietnam did in the streets and on top of the very bldg from which the last US helicopter left. You can have your religious beliefs, your free speech, and your crazy ass ideas. No matter what anyone in this country believes, they need to get their asses behind our flag, pledge allegiance to it and the republic for which it stands, or risk losing the very rights for which it STANDS and protects them. Or, idk, move to a country that better suits you.

goof02 Virginia
11/05/17 6:24 pm

There is a major difference between encouraging patriotism and compulsory nationalism

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ShakaBrah California
11/05/17 5:07 pm

Forced doesn't seem like the right word.

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TheBlackKnight Eclipse
11/05/17 3:49 pm

No. That violates the First Amendment.

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FloridaPopulist Nationalist Right
11/05/17 3:37 pm

You have the freedom to fuck off if you can't pledge allegiance to our country

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TheBlackKnight Eclipse
11/05/17 11:48 pm

“I pledge allegiance to the flag...”

zengunner Texas
11/08/17 6:59 pm

Welcome to the USA! If you don’t show enough patriotism the way I want you to then you’re not truly American!

iceberg124
11/05/17 2:56 pm

Absolutely

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CoffeeNow Fiery but peaceful rioter
11/05/17 2:49 pm

No. You can’t force someone to be allegiant

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katerina13 where I should be
11/11/17 12:19 am

Well, no. But they need to be taught what allegiance is and about our government, and why we pledge our allegiance. They can decide not to pledge allegiance when they’re older, then move their unhappy azz to another country that better suits their beliefs and lifestyle. Hahaha! 😉

LordLidus
11/11/17 11:19 am

But isn’t America supposed to support different ideas and beliefs? We’re not a one party totalitarian state...

katerina13 where I should be
11/11/17 8:10 pm

Do you know what the first thing a country, clan or king, or even ISIS, does when it wins a parcel of land or a battle to take over a castle? They raise their FLAG or family crest. That’s the first thing North Vietnam did in the streets and on top of the very bldg from which the last US helicopter left. You can have your religious beliefs, your free speech, and your crazy ass ideas. No matter what anyone in this country believes, they need to get their asses behind our flag or risk losing the very rights for which it STANDS and protects them. Or, idk, move to a country that better suits you.

DrCarpenter Florence, Italy
11/05/17 2:32 pm

No. That'd be fucked up.

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dkeshow Southeast
11/05/17 2:31 pm

They should be taught. Forced is too strong. Are they forced to learn how to write or show respect. Age of a child has a lot to do with this issue. We teach children ethics, respect, love of country when they are young. When they are in college or later in life they can question.

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bluerum29 optimistic idealist
11/05/17 2:48 pm

This is on the right track

Kyle5 TN
11/05/17 2:28 pm

Well no, and they can't be.

bringstheeagle Colorado
11/05/17 1:46 pm

According to a law validated in the Supreme Court in 1943 children cannot be forced to do the Pledge of allegiance. Look it up.

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pof over my moms knee
11/05/17 1:58 pm

I'm looking for opinion, not necessarily the law

bringstheeagle Colorado
11/05/17 2:20 pm

😂 well I’m thinking Law trumps opinion especially in this case. 😊

pof over my moms knee
11/05/17 2:58 pm

SOH is a polling app, not a legal advice forum

bringstheeagle Colorado
11/05/17 3:01 pm

It’s many things including polling and legal discussions. People should support their opinions with solid evidence when they can. This is solid.

pof over my moms knee
11/05/17 3:48 pm

Not asking for your opinion on the law, asking for your opinion on the issue at hand.

What side the law supports is irrelevant, unless you are saying you base your opinion on the law.

bringstheeagle Colorado
11/05/17 3:50 pm

My opinion is all opinions not supporting the law here are irrelevant.

pof over my moms knee
11/05/17 3:53 pm

So you base your opinion on the law? You don't believe Congress has ever passed a bad law that is still standing, the Supreme Court has never made a bad decision that has yet to be overturned?

bringstheeagle Colorado
11/05/17 3:55 pm

Not always but I do here agree with the law.

Brandon2018 Stocks Are Overvalued
11/05/17 1:28 pm

Not forced, but it should be frowned upon to not at least stand. At my school, most of us stand, but don't say it. You shouldn't be forced to do anything, but you should stand nonetheless.

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Yessy French Texan
11/05/17 1:25 pm

Really surprise by the results. Most of the people in my school were baffled when this one student refused to stand. I thought it was a one time occurrence and alienated the event but I'm guessing she is defiantly not alone.

bower8899 Gone, Probably Forgotten
11/05/17 1:19 pm

I got detention for not saying the pledge once

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Louderthebetter
11/05/17 1:09 pm

Ohhh how the domestication of children starts early.
Do what I say or else....✊🏼

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bluerum29 optimistic idealist
11/05/17 1:24 pm

That's pretty much the rule when it comes to kids, and I'm not referring to the pledge, just in general.

UniversePlan Michigan
11/05/17 12:54 pm

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bluerum29 optimistic idealist
11/05/17 12:30 pm

Kids don't get the same freedoms adults do.

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pof over my moms knee
11/05/17 12:32 pm

All people are guaranteed equal protection under the law.

bluerum29 optimistic idealist
11/05/17 12:40 pm

Yes children are protected, but they are also instructed what to do by adults, they aren't simply free to do as they choose.

Kyle5 TN
11/05/17 2:27 pm

So if I'm a child in a restaurant the restaurant owner can force me to do whatever he tells me to?

bluerum29 optimistic idealist
11/05/17 2:47 pm

I'm guessing your parents would be with you, so they would be in charge of you and you do what they tell you. Unless they are allowing you to be completely unruly, then other adults might need to tell you what to do.

pof over my moms knee
11/05/17 3:51 pm

Children are free to do as they want, the school cannot mandate them to do something unless it creates a violent situation or disturbs the classroom.

If you tried to use the "children don't have rights" argument, you'd rightly get laughed out of court.

bluerum29 optimistic idealist
11/05/17 4:27 pm

I tell my students to sit down, walk in line, stay quiet, work on assignments, get up, heads down, hands up, pick up your pencil, look at me, and the list goes on and on. Everyday kids are told what to do. I have some who don't want to do what they are told. Those kids get in trouble.

pof over my moms knee
11/05/17 12:23 pm

No.

Kind of hard for there to be "liberty...for all" if the freedom of speech is absent.

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katerina13 where I should be
11/11/17 12:11 am

Freedom of speech is to protect people from our government infringing on their right to it. It isn’t to protect you from restrictions from your employer and such.