Should children be forced to say the Pledge of Allegiance in school?
Posted below in response to someone’s question about my comment. Here goes...
Do you know what the first thing a country, clan or king, or even ISIS, does when it wins a parcel of land or a battle to take over a castle? They raise their FLAG or family crest. That’s the first thing North Vietnam did in the streets and on top of the very bldg from which the last US helicopter left. You can have your religious beliefs, your free speech, and your crazy ass ideas. No matter what anyone in this country believes, they need to get their asses behind our flag, pledge allegiance to it and the republic for which it stands, or risk losing the very rights for which it STANDS and protects them. Or, idk, move to a country that better suits you.
There is a major difference between encouraging patriotism and compulsory nationalism
Forced doesn't seem like the right word.
Of course not:
No. That violates the First Amendment.
You have the freedom to fuck off if you can't pledge allegiance to our country
“I pledge allegiance to the flag...”
Welcome to the USA! If you don’t show enough patriotism the way I want you to then you’re not truly American!
No. You can’t force someone to be allegiant
Well, no. But they need to be taught what allegiance is and about our government, and why we pledge our allegiance. They can decide not to pledge allegiance when they’re older, then move their unhappy azz to another country that better suits their beliefs and lifestyle. Hahaha! 😉
But isn’t America supposed to support different ideas and beliefs? We’re not a one party totalitarian state...
Do you know what the first thing a country, clan or king, or even ISIS, does when it wins a parcel of land or a battle to take over a castle? They raise their FLAG or family crest. That’s the first thing North Vietnam did in the streets and on top of the very bldg from which the last US helicopter left. You can have your religious beliefs, your free speech, and your crazy ass ideas. No matter what anyone in this country believes, they need to get their asses behind our flag or risk losing the very rights for which it STANDS and protects them. Or, idk, move to a country that better suits you.
No. That'd be fucked up.
They should be taught. Forced is too strong. Are they forced to learn how to write or show respect. Age of a child has a lot to do with this issue. We teach children ethics, respect, love of country when they are young. When they are in college or later in life they can question.
This is on the right track
Well no, and they can't be.
No. It's idiotic.
According to a law validated in the Supreme Court in 1943 children cannot be forced to do the Pledge of allegiance. Look it up.
I'm looking for opinion, not necessarily the law
😂 well I’m thinking Law trumps opinion especially in this case. 😊
SOH is a polling app, not a legal advice forum
It’s many things including polling and legal discussions. People should support their opinions with solid evidence when they can. This is solid.
Not asking for your opinion on the law, asking for your opinion on the issue at hand.
What side the law supports is irrelevant, unless you are saying you base your opinion on the law.
My opinion is all opinions not supporting the law here are irrelevant.
So you base your opinion on the law? You don't believe Congress has ever passed a bad law that is still standing, the Supreme Court has never made a bad decision that has yet to be overturned?
Not always but I do here agree with the law.
Not forced, but it should be frowned upon to not at least stand. At my school, most of us stand, but don't say it. You shouldn't be forced to do anything, but you should stand nonetheless.
Really surprise by the results. Most of the people in my school were baffled when this one student refused to stand. I thought it was a one time occurrence and alienated the event but I'm guessing she is defiantly not alone.
I got detention for not saying the pledge once
Ohhh how the domestication of children starts early.
Do what I say or else....✊🏼
That's pretty much the rule when it comes to kids, and I'm not referring to the pledge, just in general.
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Kids don't get the same freedoms adults do.
All people are guaranteed equal protection under the law.
Yes children are protected, but they are also instructed what to do by adults, they aren't simply free to do as they choose.
So if I'm a child in a restaurant the restaurant owner can force me to do whatever he tells me to?
I'm guessing your parents would be with you, so they would be in charge of you and you do what they tell you. Unless they are allowing you to be completely unruly, then other adults might need to tell you what to do.
Children are free to do as they want, the school cannot mandate them to do something unless it creates a violent situation or disturbs the classroom.
If you tried to use the "children don't have rights" argument, you'd rightly get laughed out of court.
I tell my students to sit down, walk in line, stay quiet, work on assignments, get up, heads down, hands up, pick up your pencil, look at me, and the list goes on and on. Everyday kids are told what to do. I have some who don't want to do what they are told. Those kids get in trouble.
Kind of hard for there to be "liberty...for all" if the freedom of speech is absent.
Freedom of speech is to protect people from our government infringing on their right to it. It isn’t to protect you from restrictions from your employer and such.