Show of Hands

I respect classic liberalism. Most today are far left progressive or Marxist loons. The left has moved to the extreme left.

Liberalism's definition has been used by the Left to legitimize their actions. Liberty does not occur when the government makes the decisions for you.

All of these labels have been so diluted by all these sub labels it's just confusing anymore.

No difference at all.

Huge difference. Liberals are on the right.

If you don’t understand this you don’t understand politics, simple as that.

Liberals believe in personal freedom. The democratic party used to be liberal before it was taken over by leftists. I would say democrats are now less liberal than republicans, who are second only to libertarians.

Progressive is the misnomer.

Progressive implies forward progress => freedom & independence, not repressive government control.

There used to be, but there isn't much of a difference anymore.

The American liberal has fallen far from grace

On a French scale, being “Liberal” means the worldview of liberty and equality and is better described as “Classical Liberal” and “Economic Liberal” which means freedom of speech, freedom of press, democracy, free market etc. which would put “Liberals” on the center of the French scale. Take the FDP Party in Germany for example, they’re a center party that would be considered classically liberal

I think of "liberals" as social justice warriors, and "the left" as communists.

In a more neutral wording, "liberal" refers to civil issues, and "left" refers to economic issues

Yeah. I'm on the left. Liberals are on the right.