Some idealize communist China yet support burning our flag and disrespecting our national anthem. Read the attached then answer and join the discussion. Do these people understand what the idolize?
Could you repost the question in the comments without it being full of typos? Thanks.
No. Deal with it.
Polster ... I don’t think you’re prepared to have your poll question grammar challenged!
He didn't "think" about how to spell.
Could you two add something of substance to the argument rather than take cheapshots?
I support the right of people to burn the flag snd kneel during the anthem. However, I despise communism, and don’t support it in any way, shape, or form.
And there are despicable people here who think the US is the problem.
Idiots and provocateurs.
China is slowly but surely inserting themselves into Hong Kong. Having lived there, I know many HK citizens realize this and worry about their children’s freedom. While I find it completely distasteful and sadly ironic, U.S. citizens have the right to burn the flag it take a knee as a sign of protest. Too many do so out of ignorance or to jump on the PC Wagon without understanding what they oppose or reality of they think is a “better” system of governance. I’ve been there and lived it. Ask Chinese nationals who quite literally escaped the same government others wistfully idolize.
The borders out of China are only barricaded going out, not in. There’s a reason for that: no one in their right mind wants in. By contrast, the lines every Weds. at the U.S. Consulate are always overflowing with people trying to get a Visa. Wise up! We don’t have a perfect country but it seems more people outside the U.S. realize it than those who stridently and ignorantly protest it. If you don’t like it, go live in China for a while. I bet you’ll kiss the ground you walk on upon your return. Or get involved and make America better without embarrassing yourself and slapping the faces and memories of those who fought for your rights.
Thank you for those posts. You have a clear eyed view of a terrible reality.
Those who promote forced collectivization should be ashamed of themselves.
China hasn't been socialist for almost 40 years.
No, Teng Hsiao-Ping abandoned socialism.
Was ... please say it’s not “pure communism” ... I could use a good laugh.
For your reference, China is communist. All you need to do is ask them.
Oh, and while we’re at it, how would your hero, Comrade Stalin have handled Mr Kapernick? Would he have had him shot or would he have put him in a Siberian gulag?
A Chinese National told me once that China now is “communist with a capitalist flare!” Supposedly everyone has equal opportunity, free education and healthcare, housing, etc. Not so! I have seen people living in 18th century conditions next to multi-million dollar skyscrapers. I was with other educators and one brought manila envelopes filled with paper, crayons, and markers to give to the poor children wearing tattered clothes and no shoes. Their huts were paper thin, beds were hard formed dirt, and stone ovens and water in the yard with the chickens. She was stopped by a communist-party watcher who we discovered with our group. He said we could only give it to children in the “model village,” a kind of “Truman Show” experience (outside of Xian). It’s all a big lie perpetrated on citizens not elevated enough in the communist party to enjoy luxurious lifestyles by comparison.
China is communist in name only.
I don't know what Stalin would do about Kapernick. They didn't have institutional racisme.
Was ... keep your delusion alive. Mr Kapernick is surly a racist and attempting to institutionalize that racism into the NFL, at their great peril. But that is not the point — and you know it. You simply don’t want to address the evils of communism. The question is ... what would Comrade Stalin have done to someone who disrespected the flag or the anthem?
3 years in prison is the sentence if you don’t stand for the national anthem in China.
Was ... if not communist, please tell us what China has become. Oh, please say it’s a free market, I could use a good laugh!
You're a lunatic. Kapernick isn't trying to institutionalize racism.
China is capitalist, but it's not free market
Was ... ha ha ... you’re such a hoot! A capitalist society would not have the government owning most businesses.
Mr Kapernick is most certainly trying to force institutional racism into the NFL. Wake up, little one!
The government DOESN'T own most business in China. Looks like you haven't done your research.
The government is communist. I believe we were talking about the national anthem. In the US we have freedom of choice. In China or Hong Kong you don’t have freedom of choice. You will stand, or you will go to prison. China doesn’t have free speech.
Was ... I get that you’re desperate, but you might want to vet the articles a wee bit better. Your own source maintains that the Chinese government admits to owning or having a controlling interest in 66% of businesses. And while I realize that you have no real world experience on which to draw, you can take it from me that if they cop to controlling 2/3rds of business that the real answer is MUCH higher!
Did you trust the Chinese government on their reporting of SARS? It was in fact a huge coverup, as are most all of the stories that out the COMMUNIST PARTY in a bad light.
I also get that the fact that the one ruling party in China is the COMMUNIST PARTY means little to you. I suppose you’d want. The iron fisted Communist Party to rebrand themselves as the Capitalist Party, right?
You are definitely a good laugh! Thanks
Owning some assets in an enterprise doesn't make the enterprise state owned. But I guess I shouldn't expect you to understand any sort of nuance.
As I've already said, it's socialist in name only. Their constitution protects private property! How could it be socialist?
Was ... you’ve said many silly things. Keep trying to deflect from the failures of socialism and communism. You’re vehement denials help to insure that reasonable people will never fall for the lies of socialism / communism.
Sorry DrWas, you are obviously too young or naive to look beyond your obvious bias. The Chinese government is notorious for incorrectly communicating the facts. They did so to their own peril with SARS which resulted in more deaths and fears of a Pan epidemic: www.weeklystandard.com/chinas-sars-problem-and-ours/article/3761 They also stubbornly lie about their horrendous pollution: www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/258447/ I’ve been to Shanghai many times and the last time I couldn’t make out the Pearl Tower only standing yards in front of it! You might want to check out facts and maybe even China Uncensored for a raw sense of reality regarding China.
What interest does China have in making itself look capitalist? It obviously wants to look socialist. The ruling party is called the Communist Party, and the constitution claims that China is in the first stage of socialism.
Was ... the communist party is THE only party. China is in no way motivated to admit that communism fails and that for the survival of their power they had to create the 14 Special Economic Zones to allow capitalism. They’d prefer to continue to ignore the ugly reality that communism simply can not persist.
However, if the capitalists were to attempt to exert ANY political will, the communist party would crush them immediately. Capitalists are the useful individuals that continue to help the communist party hold onto power.
The SEZs were precisely what caused socialism to fall in China.
Was ... you could be more wrong, but you’d have to try even harder!
The ONKY thing that has allowed the communist party to maintain their choke hold in China is the SEZs!
Agree to disagree. Doesn't make China a communist country. Do you even know why the massacre at Tiananmen Square Massacre took place? It's because the Party abandoned a Maoist or communist line.
Was ... ha ha ... you keep that delusion alive! It amazes me that there are people who are so deluded that they believe the ridiculous things you say. If you could talk — as I have talked — to individual mainland Chinese about these things, they’d laugh at you. Of course they’d never do it in public because the COMMUNIST Party officials would jail them or worse yet, put them into the organ donation program.
Let’s hope — for your sake — that when you actually grow up and are forced to face the world you’ll wise up.
Was ... you’ve sunk to a new low! A drunk on the street with his communist propaganda spread before him? Come on, I thought you wanted everyone to be amazed at how smart you are ... what happened?
No. When they support communism, they must not realize they are supporting government suppression of every action taken and word spoken in opposition. If you support the right to free speech, that is contradictory to communism.
It is their constitutional right to burn the flag and kneel during the anthem. I my not like it, but that’s how it is.
TJ ... I get that yours is the prevailing — even mindless —view, however, I challenge that notion. As citizens, we have some responsibility to uphold our freedoms or watch them be taken from us.
The point is these leftists are a voice pushing us towards communism, the very thing they want is the thing that would strip them of their right to do what they do. And along with those numbskulls losing their rights would be the rest of us likewise losing our rights.
Therefore, I see it as necessary to call out their cluelessly hypocritical ideals.
Not all leftists believe in communism, most of them staunchly oppose it, even many socialists. And besides, because they support a human rights violating nation doesn’t mean that they aren’t protected.
Which is the human rights violating country?
Ironic thing is that flag they are burning is “Made In China”. You know how many “Patriotic” things I see, shirts, Flags, etc.. that are made in China!? It sickens me and I don’t buy or except anything with our flag or a branch of armed forces that is not made here. Show me where we are making China’s flag for them? See the problem?
Gorilla ... while I’m sympathetic to your position, it misses the point. Recent studies have shown significant percentages of millennial find socialism or even communism to be their preferred form of government. The very thing that they believe in would be the noose that would bind them. That is the point here.
O I agree, those people are morons. No argument their at all..
TJ ... your disorganized and shrinking party is infested with leftist socialists and communists. The ridiculous distinction with no difference between socialists and democrat socialists is laughably ignorant of history!
What about the social democratic parties of Western Europe and the democratic socialist parties in Scandinavia? They have been in power several times and they never became the Soviet Union or any other communist nation. Hell, they made their nations even greater, especially Scandinavia. What you claim is nothing but a rightists conspiracy theory designed to discredit leftists and to suppress them. Expected from someone who believes in the debunked conspiracy theory that Obama was not born in America.
TJ ... I’m not sure you’re prepared to go there!
The fact is that the socialist in most of Europe haven’t “gone there” only because they haven’t been given power long enough to complete the process. Scandinavia is probably the best example. Each time they vote in a socialist government, that government goes WAY too far, acquiring debt and making promises they can’t keep. Then when the countries get into financial trouble, the voters kick out the leftists and vote in a conservative government to get their house back in order. The cycle has repeated enough to call it a repeatable pattern.
The thing is that it isn’t because the socialists haven’t been in power long enough, it’s because they staunchly oppose communism. Most socialists greatly oppose communism. During the Cold War, the socialists ideologies were split between those who favored the and communism and those who favored democracy. The ones who favored communism called themselves communists, marxists, maoists, etc while the ones who favored democracy called themselves democratic socialists and social democrats. Get your facts straight, like you ever will.
TJ ... riiiiight, they’re totally different, and socialism has been sooooo successful each time it’s been implemented and then failed, right?
TJ ... the fact is that socialism is just the ugly stepsister of communism. Deal with it.
TJ ... because I’m upsurge you’ve got excuses, please explain how the democrat socialism is working out for the resource rich Venezuelan people.
This will be fun to hear!
Why don’t you deal with the fact that FDR was the greatest president and that Obama was born in the US? Oh wait, you don’t because you believe in anything and everything that helps you no matter how false they are. Socialism and communism are completely separate ideologies. Some socialists believe in communism, but most socialists staunchly oppose it and favor democracy. This is fact. But I doubt you accept that with your history of denying the truth.
What is going on in Venezuela is not democratic socialism, it’s Marxism and a unique socialistic ideologies there called Bolivarianism and Chavismo.
TJ ... I’ll gladly deal with your delusions. FDR was a horrible President. His damage is far worse than the worthless MrO could have ever hoped to “accomplish”. We’ve been paying for FDR’s lies and failures for 70 years! As for MrO’s birth, I couldn’t care less where he was born. Whether he lied in his book or he lied to us in person, MrO was a terrible liar. We can just be grateful that we purged the White House of MrO ... none too soon!
As for Venezuela, of course you’d say “that’s different”. The fact is that as Mrs Thatcher observed, all socialism and communism failed when you run out of other peoples’ money. You Democrat socialists get to own Venezuela, it’s yours and it’s failing big time!
www.shmoop.com/fdr-new-deal/summary.html These reveals how the New Deal saved America and could’ve done a lot more to help us if it wasn’t for FDR’s opponents.
And here are all of Obama’s successes during his presidency. You don’t like what he’s saying because it’s the truth and you just want to be the good guys by claiming they are lies.
Venezuela is not in any way ours. Never has been, never will be. Our party is split between centrist liberals and center-left progressives and social democrats while Venezuela is being run by Marxists and Bolivarians. It’s like saying the Republican Party (mainly the moderate factions) is link to Hitler.
TJ ... what in the world is schmoop? What a silly leftist rag!
Here, try this on for size ...
TJ ... Venezuela is a democratic socialist failure. You can call them different, you can excuse the failures, but you can not avoid the truth!
www.historylearningsite.co.uk/modern-world-history-1918-to-1980/america-1918-1939/was-the-new-deal-a-success/ Here’s more proof of the success of the New Deal. Indeed, it didn’t solve all of the problems, but it did solve most of them and reduced the others.
Yes, but you have been avoiding it by falsely labeling it under a different ideology. Calling all leftists communists is like calling all rightists Nazis. Do you see now? The truth and only truth is that Venezuela is a Marxist, Bolivarian dictatorship-in-the-making And is in no way social democratic of democratic socialist.
TJ ... I get that over-generalization isn’t helpful, but you need to understand that Mr Hitler was NOT a conservative. I get that you want to change history, but it is worth reminding that he headed the Democratic Socialist Party! Mussolini was a communist. Neither of these idiots was conservative. So, stop the false narrative about an exclusive tie between conservatives and fascists. There are FAR more leftist fascists than conservative fascists.
TJ ... I also am amused that for you, the excuses about the failures of socialism and communism require footnotes. Oh, “democratic socialism failed in Venezuela because of ...”
You’re unwittingly making my point. Every time socialism or communism is tried, it fails. Armchair supporters of these failed ideologies rarely accept the truth, and often opine that it had to be something else, there was another human frailty that caused socialism/communism to fail, that if it could be established in a pristine environment surely it would prosper.
And that, TJ, is the point. The Marxist ideologies will never work because they are incompatible with the human condition. So, dream freely about your utopian commune, but understand that it has never and will never be a lasting solution for our societies.
TJ ... as for the horrible FDR, I didn’t suggest that there was no positives that came from his wretched policies. The problem is that the failings of the New Deal FAR outweigh the successes. The fact that for the foreseeable future that workers will be saddled with the gaping hole that is the Social in-Security system is just one of the examples of the failures of the new deal. I paid the maximum possible into SS for most of my life. And those monies were not set aside for my retirement — like the lie that was promised. Those monies were given to undeserving individuals, most of whom never paid into the system. Far too much of my forced savings were given to individuals with absolutely no right to receive them because they have no right to even be in the country.
Leftist politicians continue to use my Social Security “investments” as their private reelection give away fund to buy votes.
The corruption must stop.
Hitler and Mussolini were far-right fascists, left-wing fascist is a contradiction. They supported ultra conservative and reactionary social policies and nationalistic foreign positions. The only thing that is the closest to leftism is their economic policy in giving most of the industries to the government and putting loyalists on private industries, and that is on a very very thin string.
The reason why it failed is because they were Marxist and Bolivarian, not in any way democratic socialist. Social democrats and democratic socialists oppose communism and acknowledge the failures of it while they support alternatives and democracy. Venezuela is not our mistake, it’s the mistake of the communists and Marxists.
And how does ONE failure out-way the many successes? The only failure of the New Deal was it not ending unemployment, although it did reduce it. Besides that, it has nothing but great successes.
These three are the absolute truth, but you will still deny it like you always.
TJ ... ok, thanks for confirming that you are totally ignorant of history. As it turns out, the leftist lies can’t cover the real origins of fascism in the 1880s when the Sicilian leftist anarchist group was first given the name of fascist.
Do your homework. Did Mr Hitler lead the Democratic Socialist party ... yes or no? Was Mussolini a communist ... yes or no?
You don’t have to take my word for it, History — once you get past the leftist lies — shows the plain truth.
For the record, there’s nothing inherently leftist or rightist about fascism, it’s just that it is more often employed by the left than the right.
Do you think AntiFa is fascist ... yes or no?
No for all three of those question. The NSDAP did have some socialists positions during its early days but that all changed when Hitler took over. When he did, he pushed the party so far right that it was almost unbelievable. Mussolini was a socialist during WW1. But after it, he didn’t think Italy earned enough and went to the right. Antifa does have some violent tendencies that other fascist groups have, but that’s the only relation they have. These are all undebatable facts of history, but you will ignore that and will continue to arrogantly fight them because they expose the truths that you don’t like.
TJ ... wrong on all three questions. Mr Hitler headed the democrat socialist party, only a delusional leftist would describe them as not democrat socialist. Mr Mussolini wasn’t a socialist, he was a communist. Again, it is a ridiculous stretch to suggest that he was conservative in ANY way!
AntiFa is absolutely a fascist organization, they even have a literal brown shirt subgroup that is training on weapons. Their tactics are violent. Their mission is to eliminate free speech. It’s hard to get more fascist than that.
By embracing the fascists of the left, the Democrat party pushes itself further into the irrelevant corner, but please continue!
Wow, the amount of bias and false information is unbelievable. You almost make yourself an embarrassment to humanity. Hitler was a far/right fascist, that is fact and any historian would say the same. Same with Mussolini. Antifa is not fascist, but they do have some violent tendencies that other fascist groups have. There is no proof that they have a subgroup called the brownshirts. Fascist and leftist is a self contradiction, it is impossible for fascist to be leftist and vice versa. Fascism is a far-right ideology, any political scientist would say the same. No matter how much evidence there is proving you are wrong, you will always deny it because it exposes your arrogance and idiocy.
How many year have the celebrated the mass murderer Che Gueverra .
I read the article. Isn’t that what American’s died for? That we can disrespect the flag or pledge of allegiance for any reason and not fear that we will go to jail or be punished for speaking out! I don’t particularly like the president of the use. In North Korea, they kill you for that. If someone idealizes China, while I don’t agree, it’s their right.
Harry ... I’m not sure you could be more twisted up. Americans haven’t died for you to disrespect the flag. They died for your freedom to express yourself — the very thing you can not do in communist countries.
My view is that few died expecting that you’d be so ungrateful of their sacrifice to either deface the symbol of freedom or disrespect their ultimate sacrifice.
But that is not the point of this poll! The focus is on the numbskulls who embrace communism and its ugly stepsister, socialism, yet ignorantly know nothing about it. This poll is about the clueless self-described “intellectual” Che t-shirt wearing leftists who think that the answer to all our troubles is communism. These pseudo intellectuals spew this idiocy as they burn the flag or engage felons to kneel during the anthem.
The point is, if they got their wishes, they’d lose their ability to do what they want because their actions are considered criminal by communist standards!
Do you get it now?
Think, I don’t think I’m the one that’s twisted up. I believe every soldier that died or suffered for this Country did it to keep it free for everyone to believe whatever they want, regardless of what your or my opinions are. Many Jews were horrified when Nazi sympathizers were by law permitted to march in full regalia through Skoki, IL. , but understood their right to do it. I haven’t seen any large amount of people wanting to bring Communism to America since the 1950’s. However, we should worry about a President who wants to take over the Judicial System and remove peoples rights by Executive Order. I’ve been to China, and despite how open they appear, they ARE a Communist run Country. Not exactly new news. Trump wants that for America, he wants to run this country with no Judicial or Congress oversight.
What rights does Trump want to remove by EO?!
DACA, IMMIGRATION (Courts overruled.),
Transgender in the Army (Courts overruled), destroying Obama care with no replacement (didn’t work), hiring freeze for Federal Workers Except the Military, etc.
Harry ... illegal aliens — even young ones — have NO right to be here. Mr Trump didn’t go far enough. He should have ordered the deportation of illegal aliens.
Harry ... any man who thinks he’s a woman has a mental disorder and is therefore not fit to serve in the military.
Harry ... here’s some background that will hopefully clear your misunderstanding ...
Never said illegal aliens should be allowed, Trumps EO states that residents of seven countries are not be allowed. Even if they would be legally allowed once vetted. Transgenders are starting to be understood, as the gays were over the last ten years. If any Military person is found to have mental issues should not be allowed in, as per your article, but Transgenders are not automatically believed to have a mental disorder, as are women, who were not seen fit to serve at one time, or gays. Each person has to be judged as an individual. The world of humans is a Bellcurve, on one side is pure heterosexuals, on the other pure homosexuals, in between it ranges from mostly heterosexual to Transgenders to bisexual to mostly homosexual. Trumps Generals, Congress and America’s Judicial system does not agree with him on the Transgender issue. I hope you start to understand this is a Country of laws, not dictatorship.
Harry ... the medical professionals who’ve studied men who think they’re women for decades disagree with you. It isn’t about “understanding” these people. They have a mental disorder.
Would you allow pedophiles or rapists to serve?
Harry ... it’s curious that you’d attempt to lecture me on this being a country of laws rather than a dictatorship.
We just purged the White House of the man who would’ve been king. He unilaterally overruled the will of the people on numerous counts. And it was the leftist Court in California that went against the will of the people to legalize deviant marriage.
The notion that we are a country of laws undermines your position!
As I said: Trumps Generals, Congress and America’s Judicial system does not agree with him on the Transgender issue. Transgenders are still allowed to serve in the Military. You are right, they are all wrong. Think, THINK
Transgenders are not all pedophiles or rapists, some may be, but so are a % of the entire population of America. Stop making stupid generalizations.
Harry ... how are men who think they’re women any less deviant than men who like children? You’re clearly a hater of love.
Harry ... but rather than expose your hatred for those who love, I want to focus on the mental infirmity of men who think they’re women and why that disqualifies them from serving in the military.
These deviants commit suicide — not because they’re bullied or because they’re misunderstood by society — at a rate of nearly 50%. Than is statistically significantly different than the general population of normal or relatively normal people. Much of this has been found to be because after mutilating their bodies they recognize the mistake they’ve made.
I agree with the generals and the president that these people are unfit to serve. They actual deserve our sympathy and should be hospitalized and given therapy to help them see the reality that their chromosomes are trying to scream to them.
So Trump wants to protect our country by not allowing people from some countries in here. That isn’t violating anyone’s “rights”. Unless you are a US citizen, no one has the “right” to enter this country, even legally, unless you are approved.
Harry ... on the suicidal facts alone, men who think they’re women must be disqualified from serving in the military.
LJ ... absolutely agree!
Where did you get your PHD in Psychology?
Again, you didn’t seem to comprehend that the Generals said keep them in! The Judicial said leave them in. All those people have heard every one of your brilliant statements and disagree. Do you really think everyone but Trump knows the positive and negative of allowing the Transgenders to stay in the Military. So take your articles and wrap your garbage in them. People a lot smarter than you and me have reviewed the facts and you lost.
Harry ... I get that you don’t want to admit that MrO purged all of the brass that disagreed with him, which left the military very vulnerable to leftist yes men. I get it. That would totally undermine your position.
But you’re wrong. The military has spoken. Men who think they’re women are at a high risk of suicide. And they military is clear that suicidal tendencies will get you a discharge.
I also get that you glossed over the other types of deviant love because they too undermine your faulty position.
Just keep going back to the “but the generals said” line, surly that’ll be convincing, right?
As for my doctorate in psychology, I’d never want one. But I do read. I am especially aware of noted leaders in that soft science who continue to assert that men who think their women are mentally disturbed.
No mentally disturbed person should have a gun, should they?
That would remove guns from most of America!
Where has the Military spoken? They said we will not remove Transgenders from active duty at this time. The Judicial has said you will not remove Transgenders from the Military.
Are we talking about the same country?
The Judicial has also said to Trump, since you are singling out Muslim’s, that EO is invalid also.
The one limiting the seven countries.
Harry ... the leftist jurists have attempted to block the executive order, but were overruled. It is no surprise as the lunatic 9th circuit is the most overturned court with more than 80% of its horrible rulings overturned.
The military leadership will rebuild after being decimated by MrO. Order will be restored and deviants will be denied service.
They’ll support anything that they think is anti-American, even if it goes against what would otherwise be important to them.
Ok middle-aged “independent“ Michigander, please defend your position — especially given that you voted before you could’ve read the attached article!
No. And I up voted and shared your poll. 😉👍🏻
My pleasure! Thanks for the great poll! 👍🏻