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Not a victim. If anything she is enabling that awful system by going along with it. Now if she goes along with it willingly and then decides once’s others report actual abuse to switch her stance and suddenly become not ok with it, She’s a hypocrite.

Definitely a victim.

Still a victim of the system.

Yes, she’s a victim. As it breaks laws.

Nor a victim, made a choice to advance a career. It's all good.

Of course she is. No woman or man for that matter shouldn’t be forced to do something by someone of power.

No

No

Yes!

Is a slave still a slave because he "willingly" does as he's told rather than take another beating?

Based on what you said, she is not a victim. She is pathetic.

Yes.

Nope....she's williing to pay the price for advancement

It depends on who initiated the sexual advances. If she or he seduced someone in a powerful position for their own advancement, they aren’t a victim. If a person in power, who can get others hired or fired, uses their position to intimidate others into having sex, or keeping quite about unwanted advances or language, that is abuse and harassment. Very unethical.

No.

Next question.

I had a similar question a few weeks ago when this story broke.

The women are whores. They got rich and famous and now the whores get to play the victims. It’s so hard to be a woman.... 🙄

No. If she willingly sacrificed her dignity and self-worth for career advancement, she’s an amoral, ambition-driven opportunist, NOT anybody’s victim.

If you’re saying that’s the only way her career can take off then yea victim but if she just wants the opportunity then no

It sounds like it was her decision to follow that "path" rather than earn her fame and fortune by actually perfecting her acting skills. In that case, she's not a victim, but a willing, informed participant.

No. Some grabbed the opportunity and got a career and millions out of it. Poor Meryl Streep had no idea all of this was going on 🤔 while even the youngest actresses and others in her age range knew. Sure makes me wonder. Jessica Lange had a two year affair with Harvey 🤢 and highest paid actress Jennifer Lawrence saw the “Silver Lining Playbook” by sleeping with Harvey and getting her Oscar 😒

She or he consented. However, the person with the power is a predator. He should not be making that an option.

No.

I guess I'd say she is more a victim of a system that promotes this as a way to reach the top. But, not a victim in the sense that she can come back later and accuse this person of anything.

I guess it depends how ugly she is as to which side bears blame! Are we talking a butter face? Then it could be both their fault. Just sayin'!

OK if she KNOWS she is putting herself in a bad situation, then I do feel as though she is at some fault for being in the situation, but it's still not consent. In other words "she had it coming" as opposed to "she deserved it" if I'm being blunt.

The rules of consent are:
You have to fully understand the situation.
One person can't use coercion or authority to manipulate the other.
You have to agree to the terms.

It can be said that the casting director has a position of authority. I disagree, since this is a position in which an adult would be in voluntarily, and would also be able to leave if they wanted.

Regardless, if all three of those conditions are met, it's a consensual act, and she's not a victim of rape or sexual assault.

She is, however, the victim of a highly unethical practice, which should probably be stopped. (Which, it would stop, if people stopped consenting to it.)

No, I wouldn't say she was a victim. However, it might well be considered illegal. It is similar to prostitution. Both parties may be breaking the law. There are also workplace laws that need to be considered between employers and employees. Was any coercion involved?

I would say she is still a victim in the same sense as you would be if someone pointed a gun at you and ask for your wallet.

Nope

thought provoking question. i like it

ps: they all slept their way to the top

I would say she is not a victim in that case.

Still a victim whether she participates or not.

If the casting couch was her only route then yes, to some degree. I say this because of the coercion element and because it is implicit that men are not asked/forced to pay that price to work in the industry.

It is really easy to pass judgement and say that she "knew what she was getting into" or make unkind judgements about her morals (not saying that you are, RT), but the alternative for her is to not act and do something that does not require her to prostitute her body, when men do not have to make that choice
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That inequity is an important factor when identifying victims and victimizers.

Good question, btw. I had to think about it.
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My point is not to blame the victims but if an adult actress or actor willfully gives into harassment or advances in the hopes their careers are assisted, is that the same as what many other women must endure in the workplace?
If you willingly “sleep your way to the top” can you claim victimship 18 years later or would you still consider the woman a victim because of the actions and advancements of the man?
Again, I’m not trying to condemn victims or dismiss their claims. Obviously many are victimized and it’s disgusting. Yet are the few women and men who use their sexuality and willingly use the casting couch to get to the top, victims in the same way others are?
Is victimization always based only on the actions of the “predator” or do the actions of the “victim” come into play in rare circumstances?

Yes, she shouldn’t have to be in that position in the first place.

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Ok. Controversial question. If a woman wanted into show business and decided the casting couch was a price she was willing to pay, is she still a victim? If she could leave any time and doesn’t report it but her career rises. Is she a victim