Show of Hands

God made those gifts cease.
And indeed they ceased after the apostolic age

Calvinist , i used to be a member of a church that believed that ... then I realized, if the Gifts ceased, then why do we bother praying ??? If God no longer heals, then why bother praying for the sick ? Just a thought ....

what? 😂

A course in Miracles
Marianne Williamson
Is a good place to start

Not in today’s age at least

I did not know that, but I’m glad that they found the Biblical perspective.

Costi Hinn

What’s wrong with John Piper? He’s gone off the rails into looney land lately. He gave a pretty pathetic response to using guns for self-defense.

Ikr! Did you see his tweet denying sola fide?

This is perhaps the difference between calvinists like Sproul/MacArthur and neocalvinists like Piper

I did not, but I’m definitely about to research that.

Couldn't find it, he seems to have deleted it

Do you like James White?

m.youtube.com/watch?v=hV88GrTjrkg

Pretty funny

youtu.be/5lvU-DislkI

Funny too 😂

Lol - he should star in Star Wars!

Hard question indeed

I would probably say Benny because of my strong disdain for the Charismatic Movement. Joel just smiles all the time and give people “good vibes” and junk.

And I also think that Benny Hinn does more harm with his combination of fake healings and prosperity preaching

He does. Joel just doesn’t want to make anyone mad and decides to offend the Gospel instead.

Don't forget Bakker and Swaggert!

Just about anyone with in the modern day Pentecostal Church, I’m going to have serious theological differences with.

I agree with all you’ve all said about all of them. And the thing I resent the MOST is that they give true ministers a bad name. See below, where Carcano lumps all Protestant ministers into this category!

The vast majority of Protestant ministers are hard working men who are trying every day to lead their people to follow God’s word and don’t deserve this!


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The bulk of preaching today is topical preaching instead of letting the Gospel be the center of your message.

Not among the ministers I’m familiar with, including hubby. They might do a topical sermon for Mother’s or Father’s Day, Christmas or Easter. But the vast majority of their sermons are exegetical, preaching through entire books of the Bible, etc.

That’s the way it should be, and that’s the way my preachers conduct sermons. Nevertheless, this is a rare format in most Churches.

4JC: I agree that this guy’s side show is degrading to legit pastors but I’m wondering what your faith’s belief is about miracles.

I’m also wondering if the if the risk to credibility inhibits a legit preacher’s ability to serve openly.

Of course I’m only asking because I respect opinion.

As to miracles, the Southern Baptist Convention doesn’t take a stance on that. Here is a link to The Baptist Faith and Message, which is our stance on doctrinal issues that we consider important:

www.sbc.net/bfm2000/bfm2000.asp

I don’t understand what you mean by the 2nd question. Can you please explain?

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That's sad. They should reject it. #cessation

Calvinist, it would help if you tell us who you’re responding to, what is sad, and what you mean about cessation.

The SBC not having a stance against the miracles

I don’t understand what you mean.

4JC, it seems to me that when ministering to people in need of a miracle a good Minister may be inhibited from providing hope & comfort for concern of being linked to charlatans. Your hubby’s credibility is most important and on the line every day.

4JC,

Calvinist is saying that the miracles that occurred in acts, such as speaking in tongues and healings, do not exist today. He is rejecting the Charismatic Movement.

4J C, thank you for the read. It’s well written & consistent with how I know the SCB.
They don’t emphasize Acts or the Holy Spirit. They acknowledge the Holy Spirit “enlightens and empowers the believer and the church in worship, evangelism, and service”. That seems miraculous in itself but far short of how some would read Acts.

Indeed. God will still heal us as answer of our prayers, but no Benny Hinn style miracles.

I think that it’s safe to say that the SBC Church is not Charismatic. Besides, 30% are good ole Calvinists! ☺️

Means 70% are arminian heretics...

There is definitely some arminian elements within the SBC, but I believe a better description would be that they are a hybrid between Arminianism and Calvinism.

Thanks, Casper. Hubby believes that God provides miracles in several different ways today. He can miraculously heal someone that is dying by reversing their disease, but hubby does NOT pretend to be a part of these healings. He can work through doctors and modern medicine to do the same. Or He can miraculously heal by taking the person home to Heaven, where the person is made whole.

Hubby also agrees that the SBC is a mixture of both Arminianism and Calvinism.


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As far as the Holy Spirit, I personally feel the most important thing I’ve learned about Him is that it’s NOT how much of the Holy Spirit that YOU have that counts, but how much of YOU the Holy Spirit has that counts! In other words, how much control of your life He has!


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I hope he repents because false teachers will go through quite some torment in Hell, and they deserve every punishment that they will receive.

That's every protestant preacher though

Wrong!

Not so much.