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political May 28th, 2017 11:23pm

"We’re outraged by the execution of 15 Coptic Christians, and we’ve killed 60 million of our own children. We think that ISIS has no sense of the sanctity of life, but they haven’t killed 60 million babies. What does that say about our country?"

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azsageguy
06/03/17 6:48 am

So you're saying abortion is the same as terrorism?

ladyniner81 no hope for humanity
05/31/17 10:38 am

If you prolifers are so against abortion, how ab offering to adopting one of these unwanted babies? Seems to me you guys raise a shit when it's unborn, yet once it's born, you're nowhere to be found. Now why is that?

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political Georgia
05/31/17 10:49 am

Many do adopt, but you are simply raising the bar to make it seem that an innocent child is a nuance.

myob
05/29/17 11:25 am

Apples and oranges

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snowflake2020 Florida State University
05/29/17 3:50 am

Oh sure! Planned Parenthood > ISIS πŸ˜’

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PyroSadist like my comments follow
05/28/17 9:43 pm

No better your own personal beliefs abortion is legal

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jrpacman Pensum iocus est
05/29/17 5:32 am

That's like, no matter your personal beliefs, Trump is your president. Yet, people still disagree about that...

FacePalm That Trick Never Works
05/28/17 8:52 pm

"I do not believe that just because you’re opposed to abortion, that that makes you pro-life. In fact, I think in many cases, your morality is deeply lacking if all you want is a child born but not a child fed, not a child educated, not a child housed. And why would I think that you don’t? Because you don’t want any tax money to go there. That’s not pro-life. That’s pro-birth. We need a much broader conversation on what the morality of pro-life is."
~Sister Joan Chittister

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political Georgia
05/28/17 9:04 pm

Then what is it called if you don't support an unborn' baby right to live in the first place?

FacePalm That Trick Never Works
05/28/17 9:20 pm

I do not call it anything.

I believe in a child's right to be conceived, carried, born, and raised IN LOVE. I believe that people must be allowed to make their own decisions regarding carrying to term, because I do not know everything they are contending with. I believe the best way to reduce elective abortions is to reduce unwanted pregnancies and the best way to do that is education, birth control, family planning, and the social support network.

Telling anyone that birth control is bad, sex is bad, pregnancy is bad, ending pregnancy is bad, giving up children is bad, keeping children is bad, being a working parent is bad, staying at home is bad...which are all messages given at one time or another, along with "you are on your own, suck it up" We should be grateful that any children are born and raised in healthy homes at all, ever.

I am not "pro-abortion". I simply am not willing to cut off access to an option that is at times medically necessary and always, none of my business.

political Georgia
05/29/17 5:03 am

You can't truly believe in a "child's right to be conceived, carried, born, and raised IN LOVE" while simultaneously supporting abortion.

FacePalm That Trick Never Works
05/29/17 12:28 pm

And that, political, is a matter of your opinion.

In my opinion, you cannot claim moral superiority if the entire focus of your concerns is conception, birth and the criminalization of abortion. "Life" does not begin and end only in a woman's womb.

We are at an impasse.

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political Georgia
05/29/17 12:48 pm

Oh gosh...a child doesn't have a chance to live in a family in the first place if you kill him. No one is saying that they don't care about the child after he/she is born.

FacePalm That Trick Never Works
05/29/17 1:26 pm

Not every conception leads to birth, not every birth leads to life, not every life is a good or a healthy one. Seriously, political, turn your energy towards the children that are already born. There are millions more of them and they are not insignificant in comparison to the unborn. Think beyond your tunnel. Think about prevention, not criminalization. Think about the well being of kids who are already here, because if you do nothing, promote nothing, you are not doing those unborn any favors at all.

With that, I am stepping off of this merry-go-round.

Enjoy your day 8)

political Georgia
05/29/17 2:19 pm

"No one is saying that they don't care about the child after he/she is born."

FacePalm That Trick Never Works
05/29/17 2:32 pm

No, you are "saying" that you care MORE about the unborn. Which is sad, in my opinion.

political Georgia
05/29/17 2:36 pm

I care about them equally. It just happens that unborn babies are legally slaughtered unlike babies who are born.

FacePalm That Trick Never Works
05/29/17 2:45 pm

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FacePalm That Trick Never Works
05/29/17 3:09 pm

www.nationalchildrensalliance.org/media-room/media-kit/national-statistics-child-abuse
www.nokidhungry.org/problem/hunger-facts
www.air.org/center/national-center-family-homelessness
www.childrensrights.org/newsroom/fact-sheets/foster-care/
www.drugrehab.us/news/parental-drug-addiction-children/
www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/blogs/stateline/2016/10/07/drug-addiction-epidemic-creates-crisis-in-foster-care

www.medicaid.gov/chip/chip-program-information.html This one is important because there are more applicants than can be covered.

These sites just scratch the surface.
These are children who live, breathe and walk in this country. They are here and now. Your obsession with the unborn does absolutely nothing for these children and ultimately, contributes to the problem in the absence of equal, if not greater attention to these issues.
That is not an opinion, that is a demonstrable fact.

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political Georgia
05/29/17 7:36 pm

That doesn't mean that I don't care about those children. That's like saying, "I hope that we find a cure for Alzheimer's", and someone responding, "You must not care about people with cancer."

FacePalm That Trick Never Works
05/29/17 7:48 pm

No, it is like you saying we need to prevent new forms of dementia from developing and me saying let's cure the diseases that exist.

political Georgia
05/29/17 7:51 pm

It's pretty sick that you compare a pregnancy to a disease. I'm through with this one.

FacePalm That Trick Never Works
05/29/17 7:53 pm

LoL, um, you compared it to Alzheimer's.
First.

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political Georgia
05/29/17 7:56 pm

Not to a pregnancy...you are like talking to a brick wall. Now, I'm done.

FacePalm That Trick Never Works
05/29/17 8:01 pm

πŸ™„ have fun moving those goalposts there, kiddo.

followingsea Illinois is
05/28/17 8:33 pm

That's a stretch, considering carrier what'd
we lose ?

Senate101 San Diego
05/28/17 8:14 pm

So Abortion is worse than ISIS?

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political Georgia
05/28/17 9:01 pm

That's not the point that R.C. was making. His point is that we are hypocrites if we think America is morally right.

ComradeJames nationalism
05/28/17 8:08 pm

Wow, female bodily autonomy really makes you guys insecure, doesn't it?

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TomLaney1 Jesus is Lord
05/28/17 8:00 pm

The poor people who disagreed are in deep, deep denial. They can't allow themselves to realize that it is actual human boys and girls that are being ripped limb from limb at the rate of about 3000 per day. And until we can make the underground PP videos widely available, I don't know how we will convince people.

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Okie1967 The world is crazy
05/28/17 7:04 pm

It's a valid point. People are mistaken when they equate legality with morality. Abortion is as heinous as anything isis has done.

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Praetorianus Fair enough.
05/28/17 5:52 pm

Does ISIS officially condemn abortion?

commonsense America isnt racist
05/28/17 5:04 pm

You are comparing embryos with innocent people? Stop it.

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4JC Christian Pastors Wife
05/28/17 5:06 pm

Embryos are the MOST innocent people!

commonsense America isnt racist
05/28/17 7:23 pm

Not people. Embryos. Otherwise we would call them people

4JC Christian Pastors Wife
05/28/17 7:41 pm

DNA at conception shows they're people, separate from their mothers.

TomLaney1 Jesus is Lord
05/28/17 8:09 pm

If they're not people, what are they? Pineapples? Buicks? Refrigerators? "Embryo" is just a label for one stage in the development of a human being from conception through maturity. Zygote>embryo>fetus>infant or neonate, etc. @4JC is correct - from the moment of conception, we have a new human being with its own unique HUMAN DNA. Yes, it will go through several stages of development, but it is already inarguably a human being.

commonsense America isnt racist
05/28/17 8:18 pm

We all know we are not going to change our minds on this one. So let's move on peacefully.

Hope you all are having a great family holiday weekend.

4JC Christian Pastors Wife
05/28/17 8:25 pm

Well said, Tom!

And I agree, commonsense!

4JC Christian Pastors Wife
05/28/17 8:26 pm

But you ARE the one that started it, commonsense! Lol

commonsense America isnt racist
05/28/17 8:46 pm

YeH, I have a real problem starting arguments.

orgblu10 Shamerica
05/28/17 4:31 pm

Like it or not, it's true.

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CoffeeNow Powderpuff Leftist
05/28/17 4:28 pm

Somehow everything comes back to abortion...

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political Georgia
05/28/17 4:29 pm

Besides, it's the worst thing this country has ever allowed.

4JC Christian Pastors Wife
05/28/17 4:29 pm

Of course it does! It's probably the number 1 reason that most Republicans are Republicans!

political Georgia
05/28/17 4:31 pm

Yep - I could vote for a fiscal liberal. I wouldn't want to, but I couldn't vote for a social liberal who supports abortion.

PrinceOberyn Vive LEmpereur
05/28/17 4:32 pm

Yes, the *WORST* thing we've ever done. Yep. Nothing is worse. Nope. Not even slavery. Not even Jim Crow or lynchings. Not even subjugating and nearly wiping out the indigenous population.

Nope.

Take a Plan B? Literally Hitler....

CoffeeNow Powderpuff Leftist
05/28/17 4:36 pm

"Yep - I could vote for a fiscal liberal"

If you've voted for a republican the last 30 years, you already have

political Georgia
05/28/17 4:37 pm

Slavery, Trail of Tears, and Jim Crow were wrong, but abortions have killed millions of people. You will be hard press to find an event that has killed more people.

4JC Christian Pastors Wife
05/28/17 4:40 pm

All of those things are heinous, Prince, but nothing is so low as wiping out the most innocent among us, going against the Constitution which gives us the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

And the thing that most don't realize is that this was all set up to wipe out African Americans--so not to enslave them, but to kill them off! And it's working. There are more black babies killed in NYC than are born!

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CoffeeNow Powderpuff Leftist
05/28/17 4:42 pm

" wipe out African Americans--so not to enslave them, but to kill them off! And it's working."

There are more black people today than there were at roe v wade.

PrinceOberyn Vive LEmpereur
05/28/17 4:46 pm

"Somehow everything comes back to abortion..."

Some people just get throbbing hate-erections at the thought of curettes and wire coat hangers. Yeah, exactly, more black people have been alive now then since Roe. Such bleeding heart nonsense is par for the course when it comes to Anti-Abortion people. I honestly don't get why people are so fucking tied down to this played out issue. There are *FAR* more important things we need to deal with.

4JC Christian Pastors Wife
05/28/17 4:53 pm

Coffee--they might be in the majority if they weren't having so many abortions, though!

4JC Christian Pastors Wife
05/28/17 4:54 pm

Prince, only someone that has already been born is able to say what you've said. Your mother gave you that right, after all.

PrinceOberyn Vive LEmpereur
05/28/17 5:04 pm

Yes she did, because I was a perfectly healthy baby, she was in the right (enough) financial area in her life to afford a child, and she wanted me and was able to do so. I was lucy enough to have all three of these criteria. Not everyone is, and nor should they forced to be.

Got any more cliche talking points?

doober72 Vidalia, Ga.
05/28/17 6:36 pm

Really? That's your argument?

4JC Christian Pastors Wife
05/28/17 9:03 pm

It's not played out. In fact, we'll never give up until liberals decide to believe the science that clearly shows that there is separate DNA, thus a separate human being, from conception, and reverse this decision.

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political Georgia
05/28/17 9:13 pm

It is extremely important for pro-choicers to ignore science and advance the narrative that a fetus is not a human life. That takes the emotional connection away from anyone considering an abortion.

PrinceOberyn Vive LEmpereur
05/28/17 10:39 pm

It is human, it does have separate DNA...still not a sapient, nor sentient. Not a person. The played out bullshit continues....

(-_-)zzzZZZ

4JC Christian Pastors Wife
05/28/17 11:09 pm

Sapient means wise. Are you saying that grown adults who aren't wise aren't persons?!

Sentient means able to feel, see, hear, smell, or taste. I don't know what that has to do with anything. Are you saying that a person in a vegetative state is no longer a human because they can't do these things?

Even though I don't see the sense in that argument, the baby can do some of these things much earlier than you would expect.

The neural structures necessary to detect noxious stimuli are in place by 8-10 weeks of human development. There is universal agreement that pain is detected by the fetus in the first trimester.

Tiny bones in the fetus's ears are in place making it likely that the baby can hear your voice when you're speaking at 16 weeks pregnant.

Experiments have demonstrated that fetal sensitivity to touch begins as early as week 8 of pregnancy.

4JC Christian Pastors Wife
05/28/17 11:10 pm

Are you saying that a blind or deaf person is not a person because they can't see or hear?

PrinceOberyn Vive LEmpereur
05/28/17 4:27 pm

15 fully formed, sentient, sapient and cognizant Christians. 60 million fetuses who're none of those things. Such fucking prattle. (-_-)zzzZZZ

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political Georgia
05/28/17 4:25 pm

Full quote from pastor R.C. Sproul:

"We’re outraged by the execution of 15 Coptic Christians, and we’ve killed 60 million of our own children. I mean, we think that Islam has no sense of the sanctity of life, and that ISIS has no sense of the sanctity of life, but so far, they haven’t killed 60 million babies. So what’s that say about us in this country?"

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political Georgia
05/28/17 4:26 pm

#bringstheeagle

Your favorite preacher!

4JC Christian Pastors Wife
05/28/17 4:28 pm

VERY good point! Could it be that is one of many reasons that Muslims generally don't want to come here, resent being shipped here against their will and their kids end up terrorists? Because they see our country as immoral and don't want their kids brought up in it?

political Georgia
05/28/17 4:30 pm

We are certainly growing more and more immoral, but people in the Middle East are mostly brainwashed due to the lack of resources.

bringstheeagle Colorado
05/28/17 4:35 pm

What!!!!! RC must be getting off track here lately. 😊

bringstheeagle Colorado
05/28/17 4:40 pm

I believe you actually as it sounds like his style.

TomLaney1 Jesus is Lord
05/28/17 8:20 pm

Good for RC! His discernment and sense of justice are working fine as always!