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polster2 May 27th, 2017 1:30pm

Should workers be free to work for whatever wages they wish, or should the government tell them it's illegal to sell their labor for anything below an arbitrary hourly price? Please defend your answer in the comments section.

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FacePalm That Trick Never Works
05/28/17 4:35 am

When workers really do control the wages, as opposed to employers setting wages, this poll will make sense. Until then, it is absurd.

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polster2 US
05/28/17 4:36 am

Are you forced to work anywhere in America, or do you choose where you work?

FacePalm That Trick Never Works
05/28/17 5:23 am

I choose TO work. I choose where to apply for a job, but the employer chooses who to hire and what rate they are willing to pay.
A great many employers do not negotiate very much on rates and even more set their scale based upon what everyone else is paying. It is a race to the bottom.

In the absence of unions and federal standards, people would be paid much much less, and there is zero reason to expect prices to go down, because they never have before.

The idea that the majority of workers control wages is fallacious.
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polster2 US
05/28/17 5:27 am

You control how much education you obtain. Nobody should expect to make bank if all they have is a high school diploma. The college degree is the news high school diploma.

FacePalm That Trick Never Works
05/28/17 5:54 am

I do not recall discussing education. It is irrelevant to my point.

Your original assertion is flawed.

Have a nice day!

polster2 US
05/28/17 6:16 am

Education is irrelevant to what kind of job you get? LOL. On what planet is that true?

polster2 US
05/28/17 4:55 pm

Look, here's the deal. If you get enough education, you don't need to worry about starving and/or being homeless.

FacePalm That Trick Never Works
05/28/17 7:23 pm

Education is increasingly expensive, and most degrees do not let you "name your own price". Scholarships and grants are competitive because there are a limited number AND that does no good to the person better suited to the trades.

Add to that the reality that most jobs available in the this country are not full time or high pay.

Not everyone can or wants to be a CEO. Not everyone wants to be a professor, or a doctor and good thing because there are a limited number of those jobs as well and again, they do not get to name their price, typically.

But all this is academic. There are very few fields and opportunities that present the applicant with the power to ask a price, even within the strictures imposed by the employing community.

Yes earning a degree in certain fields and doing the hard work of gaining experience will increase your earning potential, BUT that is not what your poll stated.

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polster2 US
05/29/17 3:31 am

Take out loans for education. Own your own business. Success isn't impossible.

GrandmaALiCE For a better 2021
05/29/17 5:26 pm

Polster, you have not addressed any of FP's points.

College is not for everybody. I'm not necessarily arguing for or against minimum wage. I can see both sides. To get into this poll, I voted on your side. But, FP makes very valid arguments, which you are totally deflecting.


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GrandmaALiCE For a better 2021
05/29/17 5:34 pm

"Take out loans for education."

Not always a winning proposition. Depending on an individual's skills, this may just set you up for a lifetime of debt.

"Own your own business."

Definitely NOT for everybody. It takes a particular skill set to run a business.

"Success isn't impossible."

That really wasn't the premise of the poll, anyway. Varying degrees of financial "success" are possible for different people. It depends on many things, only ONE of which is personal determination.

Other variables include intelligence, upbringing, health, etc.



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clmcd42 Texas
05/27/17 9:31 pm

Arbitrary? It's currently arbitrary but it shouldn't be. It should be based on a living wage.

And people should receive a living wage because somebody who works 40 hours a week deserves to be able to live. Plain and simple.

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clmcd42 Texas
05/28/17 9:25 am

A wage where if you work full time, you receive enough money to live in. You are able to afford basic necessities such as food and shelter

polster2 US
05/28/17 4:55 pm

And the government should set that?

clmcd42 Texas
05/29/17 5:07 am

Who else would? It should be calculated dynamically; government should set a law where the minimum wage is updated every year to reflect inflation and other changes in cost of living.

polster2 US
05/29/17 5:10 am

Increasing the minimum wage only causes more inflation. It's a cycle. Besides, without welfare programs, the free market would be forced to raise wages, or corporations' employees would be dirty, homeless, and starving.

clmcd42 Texas
05/29/17 5:12 am

Where's your evidence that that happens in practice? You can make as many conjectures as you like, but show me real world examples before I'll believe it.

polster2 US
05/29/17 5:14 am

If it doesn't happen, so what? I went to college, so I never have to worry about making ends meet. I'll have a white-collar job. Perhaps if other people did what I did, took responsibility for themselves, and got an education, there wouldn't be so much poverty.

clmcd42 Texas
05/29/17 5:25 am

If everybody was educated then there wouldn't be poverty? Really?

Firstly, there will always be someone on the bottom. So if everybody is educated, there will be somebody who still works the McDonald's job. Secondly, you think that just because you are well off that everybody can be as well? Sorry to break it to you, but that's not the way life works. I had a friend whose family couldn't even afford gas to drive to school on some days. He attended a charter school, so there wasn't a bus system. His dad was not in the picture. He had to drop out and start working to help provide for his family. Not everybody is born into world under the same circumstances.

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polster2 US
05/29/17 5:26 am

Jobs at McDonalds are meant for teens to gain work experience.

clmcd42 Texas
05/29/17 11:48 am

Except that's not what they are in practice. Tons of minimum wage employees are adults trying to make a living.

polster2 US
05/29/17 11:48 am

Sounds like they should've gone to college.

Mark3
05/27/17 10:43 am

It's only the business of the one who makes the offer and the one considering it.

Everyone else can....

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Mark3
05/27/17 10:41 am

Awww, someone doesn't like your question.

Wackacrat Harford County
05/27/17 8:36 am

Price gauging is illegal. No other product or commodity besides hourly labor has a minimum price that I know of.

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polster2 US
05/27/17 8:42 am

Isn't it so odd that price gouging only applies to goods rather than services? I've never been able to figure that out.

polarized Tennessee
05/27/17 7:59 am

You should quit doing polls if you are going to word them to skew towards your own political viewpoint.

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polster2 US
05/27/17 8:00 am

Polarized...Where is the bias?

polarized Tennessee
05/27/17 8:04 am

Lol you are one joker. I'll give you that.

polster2 US
05/27/17 8:06 am

Polarized...You'll have to explain the joke.

jlong105 Indiana
05/27/17 9:35 am

The way I see this, pollster rephrased a commonly asked question in order to show a new angle. Answer choices were not biased, you just had to think a little critically to see his point.

PoliticalGuru
05/27/17 7:11 am

The business would collapse if there was a higher minimum wage bc small businesses can not handle the higher level wages with the profit they make bc it will drain their pockets and let large corporations to take over and raise prices with no smaller competition which leads to civil unrest and ultimately destruction of the economy with a recession like we have never seen before

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