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TheSpookyGhost (NF-CA) proposes Separation of Branches Act

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TheSpookyGhost paleoconservative
05/25/17 4:09 pm

@CollinMatthew This bill prevents giving the executive power undue weight. The President and Vice President already have their place in the legislative process. The Vice President votes in the event of a tie, and since he also gets to vote in the normal vote, he essentially gets two votes. That is undemocratic. The President also holds the power to veto, which is much more powerful than any single vote.

skinner Wisconsin
05/25/17 1:46 pm

Nay, we don't need Congress to impose these kind of complex mandates on the executive branch.

05/25/17 1:38 pm

The president shouldn't be forced to comment but they shouldn't be able to vote in bills.

Neighinator Ohio
05/25/17 1:08 pm

Does it matter? I don't think the president should lie about their vote, but they have a right to anonymity.

05/25/17 1:03 pm

Why not all of the justices as well? Don't forget cabinet members as well. This is stupid.

mudkip17 United States of Texas
05/25/17 1:05 pm

Exactly this just seems like a direct political attack on the president with no real reasoning behind it

ranger13 Texas
05/25/17 4:09 pm

Yeah and also the president really already does this by signing or vetoing a bill.

Senate101 San Diego
05/25/17 1:01 pm

Nay. That's not how VC should work.

Senate101 San Diego
05/25/17 10:04 pm

Yeah, but we're not the United States Congress, are we? Our rules are made so we don't ,are the same mistakes they do.

TheSpookyGhost paleoconservative
05/26/17 3:43 pm

I don't see it as a mistake. Why should a budget tailored for the particular circumstances of the previous year be carried on just because people can't agree on a new one? Sometimes, a government needs a shutdown to sort out its priorities.

TheSpookyGhost paleoconservative
05/26/17 3:44 pm

Oops, wrong bill. How is separating the legislative and executive branches a mistake?

Senate101 San Diego
05/26/17 4:26 pm

Because this allows the President to actively partake in decisions. He's like the Prime Minister, sort of.

TheSpookyGhost paleoconservative
05/26/17 5:19 pm

He can join the discussion, but allowing him to both vote and veto is a bit too much.

Senate101 San Diego
05/26/17 7:19 pm

Yeah, but the vote would still be different, if even a little.

Also, we don't need to be like Congress. There's no reason.

mudkip17 United States of Texas
05/25/17 12:53 pm

Why is it only the president and VP who's vote you're taking away?

TheSpookyGhost paleoconservative
05/25/17 4:06 pm

Separation of branches, as stated in the title. For the VP in particular, he would be able to vote twice in the event of a tie, which there have been multiple of.

lucaval STL
05/25/17 12:49 pm

I don't know how you can count votes without using a third party polling service..

TheSpookyGhost paleoconservative
05/25/17 4:11 pm

Just subtract their vote as a percentage of the total.

johonmilla Monroe, nc
05/25/17 12:44 pm

I'm ok with section 1, then it went downhill. Nay.

05/25/17 12:29 pm

Why is this necessary?

05/25/17 12:31 pm

Is it a problem for you to declare your vote?

05/25/17 12:35 pm

No, and I do it quite frequently. I don't think anyone is concerned about me NOT expressing my opinion 😂

05/25/17 12:37 pm

There has been multiple instances of the president being suspected lying on his vote, specifically about the impeachment of Jenna. The congress has the right to know the truth.

05/25/17 12:41 pm

Ohh, well I honestly don't care if the bill passes. I have nothing to hide about the way I vote.

VirtualCongress Speaker NDAmerican
05/25/17 12:24 pm

1) The President and Vice President must declare how they voted on each bill in the comments section of those bills.

2) The Speaker or Vice Speaker will calculate their votes as a percentage of the total and subtract them from the results.

3) If a Congressman suspects that the President or Vice President lied about his vote, he may raise his concern in the comments while the poll is still open, tagging the one he believes has lied as well as the Speaker. The President and/or Vice President must then post a link to a screenshot of their vote. Each Congressman may make no more than 2 accusations per term, and he should make the appropriate screenshots before and after making the accusation to ascertain that the President/Vice President hasn't changed their vote.

4) If the President and/or Vice President is found to have lied about their vote, the speaker must conduct an immediate impeachment trial.