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pcisbs1 May 25th, 2017 2:52am

Sarah Halimi, well known in the Paris Orthodox community, was brutally beaten and thrown to her death from her third-floor apartment by a ‘’radicalized’’ Muslim neighbor. Why haven't we heard about this from the media?

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WorstGooEver Nuke the Hurricanes
05/25/17 7:10 pm

How do you know these imams HAVEN'T denounced terrorism? Do you attend services at your local mosque?. Of course you've heard Christian leaders denounce this that and the other. You are knee deep in that community.

voc I am...what I am
05/25/17 4:03 pm

Were they a radicalized Muslim, or an assholee who just happened to be Muslim? If a Christian rapes beats and kills someone are they a radicalized Christian or an assholee?

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CyanEide
05/25/17 8:57 am

Because it's a single murder in a country halfway across the world

Jazzy5 USA
05/25/17 5:56 am

Doesn't fit their narrative!

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cowboy Doors of Perception
05/25/17 5:17 am

Radical Islamic terrorist sympathizers in the media.

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krayzewolf New Hampshire
05/25/17 4:42 am

Because feelings!

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abusara i drink and i know things
05/25/17 3:55 am

Because we don't live in Paris and it's a local Paris news story.

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gluxford1 Arizona
05/24/17 11:26 pm

Because it contradicts the leftist media's narrative.

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4boot LaTrineodeur, MN
05/24/17 9:44 pm

Because radical Islamists are a pc favored group...

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krazyjoe Chicago
05/24/17 9:07 pm

Because they try to hide the horrors of radical Islam because it will hurt the political party that controls the media. It's also happening in USA, UK, Germany, Canada and others I can't think of right now.

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FacePalm That Trick Never Works
05/24/17 8:47 pm

Because it happened in Paris.
Because it is one woman.
Because we do not hear about most homicides in other countries unless the individual is prominent and influential outside their immediate community, or some other scandal relates.
It sounds like the killer was a drug addict and high at the time.

That does not excuse it, it remains a horrifying tragedy. But sometimes the religion of the victim and suspect are not relevant, just as race is sometimes not relevant.

Life is not a conspiracy.

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NKarta Please excuse my sanity
05/24/17 8:30 pm

We did in the jewish media

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doober72 Vidalia, Ga.
05/24/17 8:12 pm

It's not "popular".

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pcisbs1 Baltimore to Central PA
05/24/17 7:55 pm

Doesn't fit the narrative

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RussianThunder Russia and USA
05/24/17 7:57 pm

⬆️⬆️⬆️ this ⬆️⬆️⬆️

Jews bad. Muslims good. That seems to be the narrative.

Tatashana New York
05/24/17 8:30 pm

Like the left placated Hitler and the Nazis in the 1930's, the left once again is doing it with the Muslims.
Winston Churchill was considered a war monger, and wrong about the Hitler and the Nazi party. The left purposely didn't give the public the facts about Nazi Germany's military Advances.
Please don't give me that there are good Muslims, they are irrelevant.
In the 1930's were there good Germans?
Yes of course but they were irrelevant, 80 to 100 million lives were lost.
In the 1930's were there good Japanese?
Yes of course but they were irrelevant, 25 million lives were lost.
Islam isn't a religion, it's s political movement.
Do you know what thighing means?

DexNav Location
05/24/17 8:56 pm

Your reasoning is just appalling.

krazyjoe Chicago
05/24/17 9:14 pm

Why? The truth is radicalized Muslims kill Jews, kill innocents, they have burned Christians in cages, raped women, blew up kids at concerts, hung people, stone people for adultery, give the death penalty for witchcraft (seriously, Google it), they have used chemical weapons on their own people. Strict adherence to the Koran means that you believe all non-believers need to die. They brainwash their young and the feeble minded to believe that strapping a bomb on you will get you into heaven. It sounds pretty f$&king Hitler to me!

krazyjoe Chicago
05/24/17 9:16 pm

Plus, a majority of non violent Muslims (almost like the good German people) do not come out aggressively condemn it.

lcamino Florida and Georgia
05/24/17 9:35 pm

The reasoning is realistic. A minority of Muslims are radical terrorists. We shouldn't be silent about it just because the majority of Muslims aren't terrorists, and would be offended. The truth is that radical Islamists want to destroy anyone who doesn't agree with them.

4JC Christian Pastors Wife
05/24/17 10:19 pm

I agree with everyone except DexNav. And krazyjoe, don't forget the woman that was raped and then put in jail because she committed adultery, or the elderly woman that was stripped naked by a group of Muslim men and paraded through the streets because her Christian son had slept with a Muslim woman.

Icamino, we sure aren't silent about Westboro Baptist just because the majority of Christians don't want gays to die! Christians speak out against them because we are not offended by people denouncing them, and we're appalled that they are acting this way, know they're hurting the cause of Christ, and don't consider them to be Christians.

So why is the Muslim community not just as appalled at what Islamic extremists are doing in the name of their religion, hurting their cause? Why are they not speaking out, denouncing them?

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WorstGooEver Nuke the Hurricanes
05/25/17 8:58 am

I've never heard Christian leaders speak out against WBC.... so how would you expect to hear about Muslim leaders denouncing terrorism?

WorstGooEver Nuke the Hurricanes
05/25/17 9:00 am

The thing that's terribly wrong with your world view is that you seem to expect a Muslim denouncing terrorism to be some sort of major news story.

Tatashana New York
05/25/17 1:05 pm

That's because you're narrow minded, it's people like you who enable genocide to happen. If you don't learn the lessons from the past you're doomed to recycle anguish, needless loss of innocent lives.
When good men do nothing, evil men see it as a sign of weakness, to usurp for their own ends.
What's really appalling is your inability to see evil when it's coming your way.
The simple reason is, you think you can reason with evil, you think those who, in this case Muslims will stand united with you against radical Islam. What you don't understand, what you don't want to understand is that Islam isn't a religion, it's s political movent. Have you ever read what the Koran says? You should!!!!

WorstGooEver Nuke the Hurricanes
05/25/17 2:00 pm

^you are my point exactly. You think every Muslim is fine with terrorism because they don't come to your doorstep and tell you they think it's a bad thing? What exactly do you want the Muslim who lives down the street from you to do? How do you know they haven't done it? Perhaps it's your narrow world view that is attributing the negative characteristics of people you see on the news to almost a quarter of the world population. If you are a Christian, should I hold you personally responsible for the conduct of all other Christians?

DexNav Location
05/25/17 3:06 pm

Some are. All I said was that krazyjoe's reasoning was appalling, in the context of "good people of a nationality or religion are all irrelevant compared to the bad ones."

4JC Christian Pastors Wife
05/25/17 4:38 pm

WorstGoo--I'm a Christian pastor's wife, and I have heard Christians speak out against them. I've done so myself, here on SOH. I think they're atrocious, not following the Word of God, and making Christians look like idiots. I do NOT think that those that want a certain group of people killed are Christians who have a personal relationship with Jesus, but are false prophets that the Bible warns us against.

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4JC Christian Pastors Wife
05/25/17 4:58 pm

I agree wholeheartedly, Arnifurman!

Goo, I don't think we should expect the average Muslim to go door to door. But I DO think that Imams should denounce this behavior in their churches, and lead their people to denounce this behavior, turning in those that are acting suspicious.

Wouldn't you expect Christian pastors to do the same if there were a group of Christians terrorizing the world? Many Christians denounce WBC, and they haven't even followed through on their comments. They've never killed anyone. But radical Islamic terrorists have, and it's only right that Muslim leaders should publicly denounce this kind of activity. If they don't, what they're saying, in effect, is that this is what our religion stands for, and it's fine and dandy with us.

Why are they refusing to do this? Check out this article & you might learn why:

www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/2015/06/23/nationwide-poll-of-us-muslims-shows-thousands-support-shariah-jihad/

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4JC Christian Pastors Wife
05/25/17 4:59 pm

Part 3. And here is an excerpt from Dr. Peter Hammond’s book, "Slavery, Terrorism & Islam":

"Islam is not a religion, nor is it a cult. In its fullest form, it is a complete, total, 100% system of life. Islam has religious, legal, political, economic, social, and military components. The religious component is a beard for all of the other components.

Islamization begins when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their religious privileges.

When politically correct, tolerant, and culturally diverse societies agree to Muslim demands for their religious privileges, some of the other components tend to creep in as
well.

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4JC Christian Pastors Wife
05/25/17 4:59 pm

Part 4. Here’s how it works:

As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in any given country, they will be for the most part be regarded as a peace-loving minority, and not as a threat to other citizens. It is a trick.

United States — Muslim 0..6%
Australia — Muslim 1.5%
Canada — Muslim 1.9%
China — Muslim 1.8%
Italy — Muslim 1.5%
Norway — Muslim 1.8%

At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities & disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs. This is happening in:

Denmark — Muslim 2%
Germany — Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom — Muslim 2.7%
Spain — Muslim 4%
Thailand — Muslim 4.6%

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4JC Christian Pastors Wife
05/25/17 5:00 pm

Part 5. From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. For example, they will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims.They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature halal on their shelves--along with threats for failure to comply.

At this point, they will work to get the ruling govt to allow them to rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Sharia, the Islamic Law.
The ultimate goal of Islamists is to establish Sharia law over the entire world.

When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions.

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4JC Christian Pastors Wife
05/25/17 5:00 pm

Part 6. In Paris, we are already seeing car-burnings. Any non Muslim action offends Islam, and results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam, with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam. Such tensions are seen daily, particularly in Muslim sections.

After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues.

At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks,
From 60%, nations experience unfettered persecution of non-believers of all other religions (including non-conforming Muslims), sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon, and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels.

After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some State-run ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim."

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WorstGooEver Nuke the Hurricanes
05/25/17 7:10 pm

How do you know these imams HAVEN'T denounced terrorism? Do you attend services at your local mosque?. Of course you've heard Christian leaders denounce this that and the other. You are knee deep in that community.

4JC Christian Pastors Wife
05/25/17 7:38 pm

Good point. But in this case, I think they need to come out publicly, especially those that are in higher positions. They should be doing interviews on the news, stating that they're appalled about these actions, & that it is NOT what they stand for, if it truly isn't.

Southern Baptists have an annual convention in which members from all over the country go to fellowship & learn. They introduce resolutions every year about social issues.

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4JC Christian Pastors Wife
05/25/17 7:38 pm

Part 2. If there were a group of Southern Baptists that were killing people regularly, I'm quite certain a member of the Southern Baptist Convention would draw up a resolution, in which they say...

"Whereas, this group of SBC people have gone on a killing rampage, we, the SBC condemn such actions, & want it made known that such actions are totally against our faith, & what we believe in.

Whereas....we believe this, we will NOT protect them from prosecution, & if anyone in our congregations is acting suspiciously, we will turn them in to authorities."

Additionally, I'm sure that the memberships of these people in SBC churches and in the SBC itself would be revoked. Also, any churches that harbored these terrorists would be disfellowshipped. In other words, they would be kicked out of the SBC.

@ronderman & @tlaney1 do you agree that this is the way the SBC would handle any SBC terrorist groups? See part 1 above for the full context.

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Tatashana New York
05/25/17 8:37 pm

youtu.be/r4D_OLm-RV4
You're very naive if you think that, if any Imam denounced an act of terrorism the liberal media would have it playing 24/7
But you're in denial, try this.
youtu.be/r4D_OLm-RV4
Thank try this.
youtu.be/SetNFqcayeA
Your naivete is the reason humanity suffers the same anguish over and over and over!!!!!
But I know I'm talking or in this case writing to the wall.

Tatashana New York
05/25/17 8:55 pm

Worstgooever.
Sorry I forgot to denote that.

krazyjoe Chicago
05/25/17 9:06 pm

Your percentages are wrong. Maybe from an old list. I know what your saying is true but I know for a fact France has highest level of Muslim immigrants, hence them having the most terrorist attacks in the last few years. Spain has a low level, that's why they don't have any. Countries that outright ban immigrants like Poland, etc., don't have this problem.

krazyjoe Chicago
05/25/17 9:06 pm

Sorry just read it fully, I agree

krazyjoe Chicago
05/25/17 9:12 pm

If Christians were bombing innocent people going to a concert, the pope would condemn it, Christians would condemn it. Christians like myself, are one of the only groups that call it what it is (except for liberals who want to blame us for them blowing shit up). I don't care about hearing Muslims denounce it, I care about them denouncing it at their mosques, and at their dinner tables. If a majority condemned it, who share their faith, it would definitely help.

krazyjoe Chicago
05/25/17 9:16 pm

I never hear Muslims talking in the news condemning it. It is rare to say the least. Take CAIR, who has a huge amount of power in the U.S., they never condemn it.
They should be up in arms because it stains the universal image of Islam.

krazyjoe Chicago
05/25/17 9:16 pm

That is not what I said at all. Why don't u look at what I said.

krazyjoe Chicago
05/25/17 9:20 pm

DexNav what reasoning is appalling?Everything I said is truth, it is in the Koran or you can find the horrors they commit in newspapers. What the hell is so wrong with saying more Muslims need to speak up?

4JC Christian Pastors Wife
05/25/17 9:22 pm

Thanks, Arni! At first I thought you were talking to me, but knew that couldn't be right! Lol

Joe, I'm assuming you're talking about my stats from the book. Yes, I should've pointed out that the book was written in 2010, and I'm sure that has changed a LOT and the percentages have gone WAY up since then, due to the leaders of those European countries being naive and putting their people at dire risk! I'm so glad we finally have a president that is protecting our people from this!

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krazyjoe Chicago
05/25/17 9:22 pm

I love how people who are Muslim are bombing the shit out of kids, raping women and worstgooever, and others wants to attack Christians in here

WorstGooEver Nuke the Hurricanes
05/25/17 9:31 pm

Krazy- Show me where I attacked Christians.

4JC- It just so happens that the Manchester bomber was banned from his mosque after getting in an argument with the Imam who gave an anti-extremist sermon. Members of the Muslim community called authorities about him on at least 5 different occasions.
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/24/security-services-missed-five-opportunities-stop-manchester/amp/

WorstGooEver Nuke the Hurricanes
05/25/17 9:33 pm

And Krazy, the US has been bombing kids on a semi-regular basis for quite some time.

4JC Christian Pastors Wife
05/25/17 9:46 pm

Goo, That's great news! I'm so glad that ONE stood up for what's right. But ALL of them have got to do this.

And the authorities are going to have to start taking them seriously when they do! I think I did see one Muslim imam that was saying that if they do turn someone in, the authorities are so scared of public outcry against them, accusing them of being Islamophobes, that they err on the side of the possible terrorist.

So this is NOT just a problem concerning Muslims standing up. Liberals have got to stop the narrative that Islamic extremists just need love. THEY'VE got to also insist that the media stop painting Muslims as the victims, which has skewed public opinion against the victims. When in doubt, we MUST err on the side of caution to save innocent lives. So if you get right down to it, we ALL have to change the perception, and stop putting pressure on the cops to err on the side of terrorists!

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krazyjoe Chicago
05/25/17 9:48 pm

Attack as wrong word, cut you were saying Christiana's don't speak up. If you don't notice in the media, the lack of Muslims coming forward and condemning this shit you are blind.

4JC Christian Pastors Wife
05/25/17 9:50 pm

Goo--let me ask you this--are you willing to back Trump and authorities who are trying to keep Americans safe, or are you going to do what these cops did--turn your back on the truth when there are definitely warning signs?

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krazyjoe Chicago
05/25/17 9:52 pm

You are one of those typical liberals. This is what I was saying. I knew this is where u were heading, Americans bomb kids. The u.s. Military does not intentionally target kids. Catholics don't do to Ariana grande concerts and blow up kids. Americans use bombs in wars, use bombs in hostile areas. In wars and hostile areas innocent people do get hit but they are not killing them in mass numbers. I am just amazed that a certain group of people can not tell the difference. It is like, they have to stay with a certain talking point because what they politically believe in becomes a religion to them.

Diogenes FreeMeBe
05/29/17 6:52 am

Terrorism and murder are merely aspects of jihad and the bigger picture at hand. In those countries you mention, jihad is in full bloom and will overtake the common citizen of they fail to strike it down in its infancy.