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skinner May 24th, 2017 11:14pm

In the official transcript of President Trump's conversation with Rodrigo Duterte, Trump praised his use of vigilantes to kill thousands of suspected drug criminals and did not address his counterpart's plan to declare martial law in the Philippines.

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tdaddy Kentucky
05/04/18 7:13 pm

I think it would be important to know, a) Is it true? And b) did it work? Machiavelli would not be known today if his advice to the Prince didn’t work.

tdaddy Kentucky
05/04/18 7:12 pm

I think it would be important to know, a) Is it true? And b) did it work? Machiavelli would not be known today if his advice to the Prince didn’t work.

skinner Jersey City
05/25/17 10:06 am

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HammeringMan Gods Away On Business
05/24/17 8:01 pm

Much To Do
About the something we all only know a little about.
Damn.
Such an exhausting, and exhaustive conversation about things I can only be presumed.

I GONG both sides on this discussion. It does not look like too many are listening here anyway

Harry3603 Tampa Bay Florida.
05/24/17 6:07 pm

By official, do you mean it was leaked by an Obama State Department Appointee?

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iceberg124
05/24/17 4:52 pm

Skinner you have to stop going to the NYT to make up opinions for you. Prior to Duterte, drug dealers would get off with murder in the first without ever seeing a judge, court was something political that was dangled for people who step out of bounds, but almost completely unenforceable for the cartels. Duterte is changing that. He has high approval in his own country, we aren't ones to judge.

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truspec Texas
05/24/17 4:53 pm

That doesn't make vigilante justice ok

iceberg124
05/24/17 4:54 pm

Better the government control over drug cartels. Philippines is no better than Mexico, never was

truspec Texas
05/24/17 5:04 pm

That doesn't make vigilante justice ok. I'm sure Hitler's popularity was through the roof from Germans that weren't killed or imprisoned

EtInArcadiaEgo
05/24/17 6:07 pm

The vigilantes and the government are also killing drug users. The drug users are only physically harming themselves. Furthermore, the individual consequences of drug use are exausterbated by the war on drugs.

skinner Jersey City
05/24/17 4:19 pm

Everyone is complaining about President Trump's decision to reveal the imprecise location of two nuclear submarines, but that's a little-league issue. It's fine for the president to reveal that information if it adds credibility to his negotiating position and deference to further North Korean provocation.

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skinner Jersey City
05/24/17 4:19 pm

The real problem with this call is that while the leader of the free world was chumming it up with President Duterte, he said things he shouldn't have and didn't say things he should have. President Trump praised the extrajudicial killings Duterte has sanctioned against suspected drug dealers and drug users saying he's doing an, "unbelievable job", despite the outcry of human rights groups and his own State Department. President Trump also apparently did nothing to criticize Duterte over his declaration of martial law in the southern islands of his country and the Filipino President's upcoming decision to extend that martial law nationwide as he fights an Islamist group that recently pledged loyalty to Daesh.

abusara i drink and i know things
05/24/17 4:22 pm

That and the fact that he's not negotiating anything with the Philippines, so why bother mentioning the subs?

CoffeeNow Powderpuff Leftist
05/24/17 4:23 pm

So I guess that answers any remaining questions about ending the drug war here

skinner Jersey City
05/24/17 4:23 pm

Well, it could be reassuring to the Philippines, which has recently considered leaving the US alliance to enter the Russian orbit. If we don't tell them that we will defend them, then they may seek a nuclear umbrella elsewhere.

CoffeeNow Powderpuff Leftist
05/24/17 4:24 pm

"That and the fact that he's not negotiating anything with the Philippines, so why bother mentioning the subs?"

Maybe he knew it would get back to NK and he viewed that as a more powerful statement than just telling NK

GlockMan1 Alabama
05/24/17 4:19 pm

We should do the same thing here.

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skinner Jersey City
05/24/17 4:20 pm

Give medals to people who shoot suspected drug dealers and drug users on the street? Without a day in court or anything? How can that coincide with the rule of law?

CoffeeNow Powderpuff Leftist
05/24/17 4:25 pm

"We should do the same thing here."

If the president authorized citizens to go around shooting suspected drug users and drug dealers I would actually consider leaving the country, and I'm not in either group

GlockMan1 Alabama
05/24/17 4:34 pm

Dirty Harry...my hero.

Vincere Seattle
05/24/17 4:49 pm

I'm with Glock on this one, all federal policy should have some basis in Clint Eastwood movies. NASA should exclusively hire cowboys, .44 Magnums should be standard issue for the military, and all civil disputes should be settled by prolonged Mexican standoff.

CoffeeNow Powderpuff Leftist
05/24/17 5:13 pm

President is determined by who can quote the most Clint Eastwood movies

EtInArcadiaEgo
05/24/17 6:09 pm

Killing drug users is immoral and is a obvious violation of human rights.