I've been looking more into Anarchism recently... what do you think?
I used to be a fan, until I read about the split between anarchist Mikhail Bakunin and Karl Marx. Their primary disagreement in their philosophies about the origins of the state and class. Bakunin said that the state creates class, but Marx said that class creates the state. The state is little more than an apparatus for the suppression of one class by another. There are often other externalities, like racial oppression, but it's all rooted in class struggle. Frankly, Marx's view on this is so much more accurate. With a new understanding of what the state is, I no longer believe that a proletarian state is no longer an evil idea, as anarchists generally think. My personal preference in my interpretation of Marxism isn't really anything specific, although I am increasingly more a fan of democratic centralism, the foundation of Marxism Leninism, Marxism Leninism Maosim, Juche, etc. However more generally speaking, I support any attempt in establishing such a state by the proletariat.
If you'd like a good read for a Marxist analysis of race in the US I recommend Settlers by J. Sakai.
You can find a free text online, readsettlers.org
Pretty sobering read for any American comrade (:
I'll check it out!
It doesn't exist
Anarchism doesn't exist?
It's fake news!
Check out Maoism and compare it, OP. He's a pretty straightforward and simple writer.
Something you might be interested in from MLM is how it addresses stopping brutal dictators from coming to power/hijacking post-revolution. Permant cultural revolution.
Yet MLM did fail to prevent dictators, because look at what happened to China after Mao died. Its horrible!
Maoism is insane.
^ well it certainly isn't a dinner party.
How is Maosim "insane"?
Oh I get it, because there's no food!
The Chinese had food, except when the capitalists were in charge of the government.
The horrific destruction of the Cultural Revolution, the primitivistic destruction of technology, the government-enforced famines etc.
I think you are young, in flux and, and normal.
Interesting. I was an anarchist until about a month ago. I listed some of my problems with anarchism in the poll that I posted.
Anarchism has contradictions - my favorite of which has to do with the phrase "authoritarian."
It rejects hierarchy and authority as they cause many of the ills within society. Yet left anarchism utilizes a vanguard for revolution. Both of which are contradictory to this analysis of society.
Anarchists oppose vanguardism.
Precisely the contradiction. They oppose it yet use a vanguard to enact revolution.
Anarchists in Spain didn't establish a vanguard. Arguably it's one of the reasons they lost. They worked sometimes with the Republic, however.
Anarchism is a vanguard movement by definition.
Unless one day literally everyone rejects bourgeois capitalism the revolution will happen by a vanguard.
Look into capitalism! 😎🇺🇸
It's trash, that's already established
No thanks, I don't like enslavement or hierarchies.
Music, you must hate communism then.
Try getting a job and blaming your problems on yourself instead of others.
Im actually in the process of selling myself into wage slavery :/
I'm not sure that's how slavery works
Good job explaining how communism has hierarchies.
Communism = Administrators > workers
Name me one communist country where the leaders gave up their luxuries and became worker peasants
Identifies as the "proletariat"
Still in the process of actually getting a job
I'm 15 k
Learn the definition of communism before coming in and mixing up Marxism-Leninism with Left Communism. Russia, Cuba, Vietnam, etc all suck.
That's ok. We were all communists at 15. Experience has a way of changing your thinking
Coffee is totally right.
Discovering the evils of capitalism is not an age-bound activity.
...as long as you keep an open mind. If you don't, you may find yourself a middle-aged communist, and there's not much that's more embarrassing than that
And actually communism = NO ADMINISTRATORS. It's one of the core parts of it lol.
Capitalism is not perfect, but it's the best system I've seen
"And actually communism = NO ADMINISTRATORS"
And which communist countries actually did that?
The most embarrassing thing is being a capitalist.
Which communist countries actually abolished the temporary state before foreign capitalist coups occurred?
I feel a no true Scotsman fallacy incoming...
Which 'communist' states were actually led by communists rather than advocating for state capitalism.
So you're saying Russia was on its way to being a communist paradise but the capitalists ruined it?
Except that it isn't a NSF because you fail to look up the basic theories of Marxism
Corrupt leaders decided to make the temporary transition state permeant.
No, I'm saying that Russia didn't follow Marx's ideals correctly
So communist Russia ruined communism?
A basic reading of the Communist Manifesto would clearly see that communist is based on the abolishment of hierarchies, abolishing wage slavery, abolishing the state, etc.
No, corrupt state capitalists ruined Russia
Russia's path to communism started off as actual communism, but quickly took a wrong turn with the influence of corruption.
"Russia's path to communism started off as actual communism"
Which was actually terrifying for all involved (except Stalin). Why is it that the most fervent anti-communists are the ones who actually lived under communism? Have you read accounts from people who lived under Stalin?
Ya missed the 'quickly went wrong'. Stalin was NOT a communist
If he was, he would have abolished the state and adminstration.
Coffee has entered the rabbit hole.
I know...I'm now part of the circle ride
Communism is great because it says it's great and if it failed it wasn't real communism because that wasn't great and communism is great
Regardless, please PLEASE learn the distinction between Marxism-Leninism and Left Communism. Left Communism is in direct opposition to the 'communism' espoused in Russia.
Conflating Marxism-Leninism with Left Communism is like conflating Anarcho-Capitalism with Fascism
Any real world examples of "Left Communism" being employed the "right way"?
There hasn't even been an attempt to implement Left Communism yet
"Embarrassing to be an adult capitalist"
Ahh yes the CEO of the company I work for and who pays me is a total joke
Joke =\= embarrassing
I remember being a Communist as the easiest way to get back at dad.
Can't stop me from smoking pot, Dad.
I happen to remember capitalism being a horrible evil that kills millions per year via easily preventable medical problems.
Yeah those hospitals and all that technology would be better without evil capitalism.
Supporting communism is a fundamental misunderstanding of human nature. All communists (left communists included) assume you can create a system based on how they think humans SHOULD be and not how they actually are. That's why it keeps failing
Me personally I'd rather kill myself than live under communism, but for sake of argument let's say you killed all the non-communists on earth and the only ones left were the true commies and they tried to create a system
It would still fail because their human tendencies would still be there. Humans are not ants. They are not a hive of workers. They are not commies. Human nature and communism are oil and water
As a side note I'm at a walk-in clinic for an ear infection (the wonders of the west to have such convenience)
And the lady just removed a huge fucking chunk of earwax and she seemed absolutely mortified.
I mean ginormous. Feels a lot better though. She fucking hates me now though.
It's like if you were building a house. The communist would say "the problem with capitalism is all the shit. We won't have shit in our house". So they build a house with no plumbing. And guess what, everyone starts shitting on the floors, and they say "the capitalists shit on our floors! This isn't real communism because real communism doesn't have shit!"
Meanwhile the capitalist builds a house with plumbing, because they understand humans are gonna shit, and we need to develop a system that handles that shit
>thinks having a job or not determines what class someone is in according to Marxist Theory
^therefore we were never talking about Real Communism this whole time
More like: whether or not you have a job does not determine if you're proletariat or bourgeoisie.
Marxism 101. Basic definitions and understanding of terms.
Musicotic, you're making arguments about Russia and whomever like I used to make. Keep reading, and keep your mind open. Just because they don't adhere to your interpretation of communism doesn't mean they aren't communists.
Communism is classless, and therefore stateless, society. The Bolshevik party sought to abolish class through a powerful state, beholden to the proletariat. You may disagree with their means to abolish class, but that doesn't mean they didn't desire the abolition of class. Stalin wasn't communist because he didn't abolish classes? One individual can't just abolish class. That's not how Marxist Leninist theory works. Marx and Engels said that the state would *wither away.* They never said it would wither away within the lifetime of a single head of state. As class begins to dwindle, the state will as well, because the state is nothing more than a form of class struggle. If there are no more classes to struggle, there is no more state.
Anarcho-communism is interesting, but I prefer Left Communism. Left-libertarianism in generally is the best.