Do you see the hijab as a symbol of oppression and submission or free religious expression?
A hijab is a traditional headdress of Islam. It's usually fine- it shouldn't be illegal, but some may mar it by being terrorists.
Neither, I view it as a dumb formality like a necktie.
Kilroy was here.
For the mature faithful it is likely a choice of religious expression.
For many, especially the young, I expect they adhere because of fear.
I look at it as a religious thing, totally ok with it.
If forced, oppression.
If voluntary, choice.
Kinda conflicted here. I think many of the women wear it willingly to comply with their religion but at the same time I also think it's a way of suppressing them. The thing to remember here is that the Middle East and the western world are polar opposites. Completely different worlds and we need to consider that before telling them what to do. Not that doesn't make terrorism or human rights violations acceptable, just means we need to think before acting and consider that they may not want to changeZ
Both. I saw a lady who wore a full one. Even over her hands. Not one speck of flesh showed. It made me very sad. A sister in a habit does not bother me. Although they seldom wear them. Both are signs of service to G-d to my understanding. I think with orthodox Jews once a woman is married she covers her head in public. I could be wrong on this.
If it is worn by choice, it is free religious expression. If it is mandatory, it is oppression.
But is it really done by free choice? If there are huge pressures from the community and family to wear it?
The same could be said of any religious garment
Yeah but no one gets beheaded or beaten for not wearing a Yarmulke
You've got a point there...
Religion is oppression.
Oh get fucked
Artie, I think you oppress whatever little intellect you have on a regular basis.
If you're forced to wear it, oppressive. If you have the choice to wear it and you do, freedom.
Is it really a choice if you face pressures to wear it from the community and family?
People face pressures from family and community to wear expensive and nice looking clothes... is that oppression?
Could we then make the same argument for the Amish, the Hasidic Jewish women who shave their heads and wear wigs, the quiverfull movement who make their women wear skirts, some of the mormons who never show their arms, and wearing an appropriate shoulder covering in the Catholic Church when getting married?
I've got a friend who is Muslim. She wears the hijab only when around her family as it is tradition and on religious observance days. She chooses not to wear it for work or in her daily life. Also, I attended a funeral at a mosque and we were not required to cover even though it was their custom. They told us we didn't have to. The dynamic of wearing the hijab in America is drastically different than in a country who mandates it. I'm not a fan of clothing restrictions on women.
Do you think it should be outlawed here?
I don't think many things should be outlawed, I seldom reach for that option as quickly as most Americans. I prefer to see change occur organically.
That's the beauty of our country though. We have the freedom to wear what we want, when we want. If this was the turn of the century, I'd be wearing all black and never smiling because that was what a woman of a certain age did when someone died in my family. Hell I wouldn't be allowed to wear pants. My dad thinks that women who wear backless shoes are harlots.
Yet even women who wore different clothing in their own time in the US they never faced death for non compliance
There's social expectations and norms and then there's forced obedience backed by violence. In the US it's backed by ostracism.
Speaking of, did you see the requirement for meeting with the pope?
People are drugged and strapped into harness and blown up in markets What kind of Religion is that?
Christians are cannibalizing people in other places in the world, what kind of religion is THAT?
Christian cannibals are not terrorizing Europe, US, Russia, Australia, India, Africa, etc. Live in the "here"and "now". Live in reality.
They are terrorizing Africa, and some of the middle east.
I found a report from 2014 mentioning one cannibal named Mad Dog. That's all I found. I would be more afraid of Boka Haram.
That's exactly what I read. There was 1 cannibal in 2014.
Some of the first Muslim feminists movements protested the hijab, so yes it's a form of oppression
It is dehumanizing.
Oppression, but prohibiting Muslim women from wearing hijab is a form of oppression too.
I actually disagree with you that it represents oppression. The hijab has actually evolved as a liberal response to more restrictive forms of Islamic wear for women such as the niqab.
Wearing a hijab in a country like Saudi Arabia is more accurately characterized as a form of silent protest against Islamic oppression.
The hijab is better than the burqa and niqab, but it's still oppressive.
I have many Muslim friends who wear the hijab. They would argue that it's a way to retain their cultural identity and heritage as a response to white conservatives who would rather see them assimilate into western culture.
It's really much more complicated than you're making it out to be.
I don't disagree that it can represent oppression. But it certainly doesn't always represent oppression, and in many cases, it can be a symbol of cultural diversity and liberal resistance.