Are fraternities generally more beneficial or detrimental to colleges and universities in the United States?
The ones at my college were garbage. On the rare occasion they did some kind of service, it didn't make up for their other actions, and many other organizations did more good without all the drunken idiocy. I don't even have a favorable opinion of "academic" or "professional" fraternities. They could name it something different and avoid the negative stigma if they are a different type of group.
10 or 15 years ago I would say differently but anymore guys in fraternities generally have a higher gpa than they would if they weren't
Most fraternities don't haze. It's being systematically pushed out of tradition. There are definitely more benefits, not only to the members but also the university. A good fraternity is akin to your local Shriners and the benefits they provide to the community.
I went to a non fraternity/sorority school. (30k students) We DID have many clubs, groups, service organizations without the hazing, cliches, drinking, partying. I say they are not needed.
Let me tell you all a short story on why I think they are necessary.
I got a phone call late one night. My grandmother passed away. I was a train wreck cause I knew I had no way on earth of making that funeral. My family is close. I had no money to get to her funeral. My parents couldn't help because they paid for my airfare home the week prior. Take into mind I was in the fraternity for 6 months including pledging and a fraternity brother gave me his car for the trip. My fraternity brothers gave me money for gas. They got in contact with a brother less than a half hour away from the city the funeral was in, in a completely different state. Who then gave me a place to stay for free (I have never met or talked to this guy in my life). It was because of those fraternity brothers that made me proud to be a Greek. Because my grandma and I were close. I spent 2 months with her every summer since I can remember growing up. If it wasn't for my brothers, I wouldn't have made it there.
Sorry for your loss, but you don't need a fraternity for that-- they were being good friends.
That's the point. They were that good of friends for knowing them such a short time.
It seems like if you're not in a frat and you go to college, you have no reason to see the frat as a benefit, but for those in the frat, I understand the benefit to be pretty great.
Agreed, I really don't know the answer but it was good for me.
The word "frat" is generally considered to be derogatory.
News to me!
Well now you know.
There was a saying: you wouldn't call your mother a moth etc.
Although some are absolute garbage, I'd say beneficial. My fraternity did multiple philanthropies every year, we did the polar bear plunge, we participated in city beautification efforts, participated in other philanthropies, held events for the whole school to participate, formed study groups, did resume and interview workshops, connected guys to alumni, helped get job connections, created scholarships, had etiquette dinners, etc.
So it was definitely beneficial to me, and 99% of the people I've interacted with from my fraternity felt the same way.
On the other hand, there are some chapters that are nothing but drinking clubs.
But I think it's ridiculous to take one example of a fraternity screwing up, and using it to paint the whole fraternity culture and all organizations in the same light. They're 18-23 year old guys, they're going to be stupid and make mistakes. But because they're part of a larger, already controversial, organization and culture, it gets blown up.
Extremely beneficial. Joining a fraternity was hands down the best thing I did in college.
There will always be small groups of idiots that tarnish groups like this. I am a proud alumni member of ΦΚΤ.
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Wait... I just tried to read up on fraternities. Secret lodges? Religion? Initiation rites? Separation between men and women? This has NO place in modern academia, it's mystic elitarian bull. My extracurricular activity was relaxing, no need 4 that.
My goddamn freshman year roommate was a frat guy and multiple times the floor was peed on by him and his friends because they were to fucking drunk to know where they were and then one of the fuckers peed on my goddamn food
I was in a fraternity 40 years ago. It was a very good experience and would not have traded it for anything. It filled a social and organizational void when transitioning from being active in high school. Christian values and community service were part of its doctrine. You only hear the bad news.
How are they in any way beneficial?
If we are talking about social fraterneties
Maybe because they raise millions of dollars for philanthropies, do countless hours of community service for the surrounding community, and lead nearly all campus activities.
Most have service oriented goals in the community
College is for studying which should be the only campus activity.
You and I both know that statement is simply untrue. College is so much more.
It is but shouldn't.
College football for example sounds like chess master boxing to me - pretty absurd.
Or take spring break - our future doctors, scientists, lawyers getting drunk? What nonsense! People complain about US students trailing other countries in academic achievements, maybe that's why.
@praetorianus yes academics should come first in college, but college is also about becoming a well rounded individual. Fraternities and sororities offer so many opportunities for community service, leadership, and teamwork while also having a social aspect. Not to mention, most of these organizations have academic standards that their members must meet and often times members of Greek organizations have higher GPA's than the average for the school.
Can't even pronounce the letters correctly.
My sister in law always hated when I would use the proper Greek pronunciation of the Greek letters used for fraternities and sororities. Greek was probably the hardest class that I took in college.
Well, growing up Greek, Greek classes were a little easier, although I'm still not fluent at all and don't ever really expect to be. I'm just trying to be humorous about the whole pronunciation thing, I don't expect many people to actually know how they are pronounced if you aren't familiar with the language lol.
I have a hunch even those who took Greek don't pronounce the letters correctly. They recognize them though.
A Pi is not a pie, it's a pee 🌝
Pi Phi Lambda isn't pie fie lamb-duh, it's pee fee lumbdah, hope you got that right.
Frat boys are useless punks.
No we're not. I'm promise.
Some definitely are.
Haha, were you in a frat by any chance? Because that's the only reason I could see for making such a biased statement. The fact that I know one useless punk who is in a frat completely destroys your all-encompassing statement.
Are all frat boys useless punks? No. Some are though and to believe otherwise is naive.
Okay. Sure. There's some useless punks in fraternities. Just like there's useless punks not in fraternities. All the useless punks on any given campus aren't all in fraternities. In fact, I'd argue that the "useless punk" population in the average fraternity is way lower than any university average "useless punk" population.
And what makes you say that? Because to me, it definitely seems like it's the opposite.
Are you currently attending college or a university?
Also, define what a "useless punk" is to you. Because the "useless punks" in my fraternity (along with all the others on campus) helped raise literal MILLIONS of dollars for a myriad of charitable organizations. And no, it wasn't because we called up our "privileged families" and asked them to donate. That took months of volunteer work. Along with that, we also lead all campus-wide activities. And if it isn't us directly leading the activity, I can guarantee you that 9 times out of 10, someone in a fraternity or sorority is at the helm of any particular operation. But, you're right, we're just a bunch of "useless punks".
Wow, you sure are flipping out and taking this seriously. Calm down, first of all. Second of all, carefully reread my comments. I have been extra careful to be clear that I do not think all frat guys are "useless punks." I said some are. You even admitted it yourself. If I need to make it clearer to you that I don't think all of them are, then let me know. I'll put it in caps or something.
But then you started saying that there are less "useless punks" in fraternities than on the rest of campus. I wanted you to provide some evidence for your argument and threw in a snide comment about me thinking the opposite, since due to your lack of proof, that claim was as valid as yours.
Anyway to answer your questions, yes, I currently attend a university and I only used the phrase "ueseless punk" because it was used in the original comment. When I'm using the phrase, I mean the stereotypical frat guy.
That depends what type of fraternity you're talking about. If you are talking about social fraternities, then those probably do more harm than good (although it is hard to say because fraternities only make big news when something bad happens). On the other hand, service fraternities are good and benefit not only a university but also the area around the university.
Even social fraternities raise hundreds of thousands of dollars for charity and contribute countless hours to community service. But yea, you are right, they only do come to people's mind when one chapter does something horribly wrong.
I never understood them it's just paying for your friends.
I think you should study, attend class, get your degree and move on.
So I hope you do your homework because if you did you would have found out that on campus' around the world fraternities and sororities have higher than the all men and women's average and do more community service than the average Joe Schmoe while raising money for non profit organizations. Also you are more likely to graduate if you join a Greek organization.
I have no idea what they do.
We don't pay for our friends, we pay for activities we do together.
Try and broaden your horizons and stop being so close minded
Maybe the Wikipedia article on fraternities wasn't the best place to start but it closed all my mental shutters firmly.
Because Wikipedia is ALWAYS a reliable source.
To the argument of "paying for your friends", you're telling me you do everything with your friends without spending a dime? No movies, food outings, road trips? Sounds like a pretty boring time imo
No we go out and stuff but I don't have to pay a membership fee to keep being friends with them. That's what I'm talking about. Frats are completely useless. No one I've ever met has ever said they joined because they do great things for the community or help lots of organizations. They all joined for the same reason. "This frat has the craziest parties dude!" That and they usually mention something about fucking drunk chicks. They're such innocent organizations though really they are (sarcasm). They only do the community service and stuff because if they didn't the school would shut them down.
Ok, then go and spend a semester not spending any kind of money to hang out with your friends. Tell me how that goes. The simple fact of the matter is that to do anything in this world you require money. How is us paying membership dues any different from any other club or IM sports team that requires payment for you to hang out with your friends/people of similar interest to you?
And as for the idea that we only do community service to get the universities off our backs; first I know of plenty of other clubs and orgs that get just as loud and drunk as any chapter. Where is their philanthropy and community service? Secondly, what do you make of the case of Tom Babb, who brothers at UK created an entirely new philanthropy, in addition to the one they already held, to provide scholarships to quadriplegic students after Tom was paralyzed from the neck down in a freak accident? Or the chapter at UCSD that, after one of their members got cancer, created a philanthropy to pay for his chemo?
Huge detriment. Banish them now
My national fraternity combined raised over one million for JDRF this past year, still a detriment?
Mine raised enough money to build two houses for the fisher house foundation so they can house families of wounded veterans while they recover and do physical therapy
Mine single chapter had raised $50,000 to help the families of children with cancer... just this year
That is where they meet some of their future business contacts.
My son was in one. They are still friends and get together. He did community service for kids in need. Some did work for seniors.
Not all are bad. They still had parties and fun.
I see zero purpose in them, never had them at my schools
Depends. Most are filled with a bunch of posers.
Frat guys are usually douches
I don't think my friends and I are douches. How many guys in fraternities do you know?
People that stereotype are usually idiots
Dufur stereotypes exist for a reason
And i see them almost every day during the school year.
What's the reason? Tell me a stereotype that is accurate more than 50% of the time.
Douches are douches. I'm sure you pass many outstanding people but label them as a douche cause of letters on their shirt. But You have no clue who they are. Stereotypes are for the ignorant who can't comprehend complex reality. There are douche bags, but it's not a majority.
No it's the majority. I'm not basing it on what they wear.
Any organization is only as good as the people in it. Some are great because the guys in them are great. Some are filled with d-bags who all feed into each other's d-baggery.
Business ones do well, the social ones not so much.
They're more of a distraction to the goal of college, which is learning, hopefully for a marketable trade.
I am in a fraternity. I have gotten $5000 from scholarships exclusively from my fraternity we also have done numerous hours of community service that places have recognized our campus for. We do have parties but they never get out of hand or bring shame to our university some fraternities do this but the majority do not.
They're pretty positive. They offer a sense of community and scholarship opportunities. The issue lies with the actions of some fraternities
I guess it has to be taken on a case by case basis, but most frats on Syracuse's campus are simply fronts for drugs, sex, hazing, and douchebags to have something to falsely pride themselves on.
Negative. From what I've seen on my campu, fraternities just haze, have parties, and offer an alternative place to live. And take up space.
God, I hate typing on my iPad.
I'm going to have to disagree here, mainly because data and objective facts were not presented. Just because that's what fraternities seem to do in your campus doesn't mean it's actually what happens nation wide.
Disagree with what? I wasn't making a broad generalization about all fraternities, I was just answering based on what I knew, and commenting about what I knew.
Also there really is no objective data that can be found for this sort of stuff anyway.
The amount raised for charitable organizations? Amount of community service done? Average GPA/graduation rate of fraternity members? Post graduation prospects/hiring salaries?
I could continue but I think you get the picture
Do I? They better do some community service and raise money if they trash the quad their frats occupy every weekend, make their members do ridiculous, often illegal things just so they can be part of their little club, and spew out tons of stupid drunk people who cause trouble around campus.
Also can you provide evidence showing there is causation, or at least statistically significant correlation, between GPA, graduation rates, or any of that and being in a fraternity? I'd be genuinely interested to see that data.
As well as speaking from personal experience, Greeks place high value on academics. Not a single chapter at my school, ucsd, has an average GPA anywhere close to the all campus average.
Don't get me wrong, there are bad nuts out there that commit absolutely heinous things. But that honestly pales in comparaison with the good we do. Sure, you'll hear about the hazing and the drunkenness, but never about these other statistics simply because they are a lot less sensational
I'm in a fraternity and I see it as a positive part of campus life. Their purpose is basically just to organizing the social interactions that would normally happen: parties, networking, friendships, philanthropy; and then make them easier to occur. There's not a doubt in my mind that frat parties are more safe than house parties, because there are a set of safety rules that we have to follow in a frat house whereas house parties are completely unregulated. They get a lot of bad press for alcohol poisoning and hazing but those things happen all over campus, and you only hear about the times it happens at a frat.
What's their purpose other the housing a bunch of kids.
It's a good place to turn kids into men since their GDI parents couldn't figure it out.
They are positive. Of course there is the occasional news story, but not all frats drink, and have rules against alcohol during the work week. And most ban hazing. The are mini organizations which give members leadership opportunities and experience organizing events. They raise money for charities and philanthropies, while also performing community service and volunteer work.
At Harvard, most fraternities required hazing...
I don't see any possible way they could be a positive, and even though they are mostly benign, when they make the news, it is almost never good.
Nice copy and paste.
All the fraternities on my campus do a lot of charity work
Because the news will only show the bad events that happen.. like every other thing they report
Nice repost ;)