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rebelfury76 May 23rd, 2017 1:08pm

Four men and a woman all live in the same house and rent bedrooms. One night they're all in the living room and the men vote to have sex with the woman. She votes no. Majority wins. Is the violation of her rights acceptable because they voted?

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HammeringMan Gods Away On Business
05/24/17 3:43 pm

My partners in a building did something like that once. Fraud. They will eventually pay.

abusara i drink and i know things
05/23/17 12:10 pm

Interesting strawman argument ya got there. What are you trying to do with it?

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rebelfury76 No Justice, No Peace
05/23/17 3:04 pm

Umm, it wasn't in response to anything so a bit hard to be a "straw man," I'm curious to see if you understand what that is and how you think it applies

Jazzy5 USA
05/23/17 10:49 am

That is called mob rule.
My argument FOR the electoral college vote. Why we need it...

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rebelfury76 No Justice, No Peace
05/23/17 12:01 pm

How is that much different? And anyway that's only at the federal level.

Jazzy5 USA
05/23/17 1:03 pm

I live in PA. PHL and PIT. They are the tails that wag the dog. They have a concentration of the Voters. They out vote the rest of the state, for the most part...
Federal level, NY, CA, and the few eastern states would rule the rest of the country. You can't have that!

rebelfury76 No Justice, No Peace
05/23/17 3:04 pm

Yeah, that didnt address my response at all

Jazzy5 USA
05/23/17 5:07 pm

Think outside the box. That is my answer.

WaffleBrainz Indiana
05/23/17 10:24 am

why is she living with them in the first place?!

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rebelfury76 No Justice, No Peace
05/23/17 12:01 pm

Because "just move" isn't always a viable option

gunluvr NOT a Gun Free Zone
05/23/17 8:29 am

Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote......

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bethanyq Ess Eff
05/23/17 8:22 am

Of course not, and that's not how modern democracies work either.

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bethanyq Ess Eff
05/23/17 12:53 pm

Name a single modern democracy without checks and balances of any kind.

rebelfury76 No Justice, No Peace
05/24/17 3:48 am

Name the chexks and balances we have and mind you it's demonstrably the case thay the three branches mostly work together and it's rare one actually stops the other.

Also, thats the federal level, it's worse at the state and local levels.

bethanyq Ess Eff
05/24/17 7:01 am

The constitution and the court system are frequently a check on the other two branches. Just look at how much Trump whines about the courts.

No examples?

TopsQueen Oregon Coast
05/23/17 8:20 am

That is called rape. Just the same as she recruited the others to murder the instigator. I'm against the death penalty, if I was for it rapist would be right in there. The guy deserves to die probably do they have the right to determine his fate absolutely not.

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Liberty 4,032,064
05/23/17 6:55 am

Of course not. That'd be the bandwagon fallacy as well as a lack of understanding of rights.

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Desensitized
05/23/17 6:45 am

If God is dead and they are an isolated population, then i dont see why not. However, there's more than 5 people in the world.

MrsCrayonWax
05/23/17 7:13 am

What the hell are you even talking about?

Desensitized
05/23/17 7:45 am

If this is our government and total population then its fine.

bluerum29 optimistic idealist
05/23/17 6:36 am

In this situation? No. Every situation must be analyzed on its own.

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wearemonkeys77 Lest We Forget... Hodor
05/23/17 6:18 am

What? This is society not Government.

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rebelfury76 No Justice, No Peace
05/23/17 7:39 am

Are they really that different in anything other than name?

ozzy
05/23/17 6:12 am

And that is why we are a republic and not a democracy

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musicotic Michigan
05/23/17 6:15 am

We are both a republic and a democracy. They are not mutually exclusive.

rebelfury76 No Justice, No Peace
05/23/17 6:17 am

Do explain how our bastardized democratic system is any different. I'm going to go make some popcorn.

wearemonkeys77 Lest We Forget... Hodor
05/23/17 6:19 am

It's your claim, you have to explain how it is.

Liberty 4,032,064
05/23/17 6:56 am

What if they elect one of the men to lead them, who then decides that they should all have sex?

wearemonkeys77 Lest We Forget... Hodor
05/23/17 6:59 am

Yeah this analogy makes no sense.

ozzy
05/23/17 7:03 am

A republic, even a democratic republic IS different than a democracy. I stand by my answer

sadewt Rexburg, Idaho
05/23/17 7:39 am

the safeguard here is more the size of the republic than anything. it's harder to convince millions of people to vote for this that it is to convince 4 dudes.

rebelfury76 No Justice, No Peace
05/23/17 7:41 am

@ozzy you didn't explain anything you just restated your initial post. If you have such a strong point then articulate it rather than dodging the question

rebelfury76 No Justice, No Peace
05/23/17 7:42 am

@sadewt so increase the size and change the issue. Is it ok to violate rights simply because a bunch of people agree to it? What does that change?

sadewt Rexburg, Idaho
05/23/17 7:50 am

you don't understAnd what I said at all.
I don't have time to spell it out for you at the momonet, but just because something is a law doesn't make it ok.

truspec Texas
05/23/17 7:52 am

The 4 men vote for 1 of the men to represent them. He decides they should have sex with the woman. Same analogy for a "republic"

musicotic Michigan
05/23/17 7:58 am

Democracy can't override our natural rights. That's why democracy is tempered with the Constitution.

sadewt Rexburg, Idaho
05/23/17 9:27 am

so in my comment, I was trying to correct Ozzy about what the safeguard is against a situation such as the one rebelfury described coming to be in the United State, which is the size of the republic. Not whether it's a republic or a democracy.
And since apperently it can't just be inferred, I, Like 95%+ of the people who've answered this poll, don't think that the hypothetical actions of the roommates are in any way ok.