Show of HandsShow of Hands

GlockMan1 May 23rd, 2017 12:23pm

ISIS has taken credit for the terrorist attack yesterday in England which killed 20 and injured 60. How do you feel about Trump's "travel ban" this morning?

21 Liked

Comments: Add Comment

CMD1973 Oxford iowa
05/29/17 5:59 am

Travel bands don't work. A determined group of terrorist will always find a way. Need to go after the causes of terrorism.

arctostaphylos Ankh Morpork, New York
05/24/17 6:33 pm

The same as I've always felt because I'm not a weak-minded, frightened sheep.

smartfart Florida
05/23/17 2:12 pm

It's funny what will make people just throw out the Constitution they claim to believe in.

Reply
Kneske College Station, TX
05/26/17 9:11 pm

Are you saying it's unconstitutional?

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
05/23/17 1:06 pm

This user is currently being ignored

abusara i drink and i know things
05/23/17 12:20 pm

Would Trump's travel ban have prevented this attack?

No.

Reply
Kneske College Station, TX
05/26/17 9:12 pm

Does that make it worthless? Ineffective?

ctskapski x
05/23/17 11:20 am

Is the travel ban even relevant at this time?
Do we even know the bombers nationality yet?
If not, it's a little gross to use a mass terrorist attacks as an attempted justification of something that might not even be related.

sd123 San Diego
05/23/17 10:39 am

I feel like you still can't just override the constitution and ban all muslims. Was there an amendment I missed?

Reply
Domino3 Abolish the ATF
05/25/17 2:52 pm

Good thing nobody is doing that right

sd123 San Diego
05/25/17 5:46 pm

Trump wants to, think back to the campaign.

Domino3 Abolish the ATF
05/25/17 8:47 pm

Okay... so he "wanted" to and didn't. Different story, either way the executive office holds immigration power to his authority.

gluxford1 Arizona
05/23/17 9:33 am

Keep it and impeach the activist judges!

Reply
Brrrrrrrrr
05/23/17 6:59 am

It was amusing watching the social justice Wh***s on imgur try to broach the subject without mentioning the word that shall not be mentioned.

wearemonkeys77 Lest We Forget... Hodor
05/23/17 6:29 am

Shouldn't it include France?

Reply
skinner Jersey City
05/23/17 5:49 am

The travel ban won't solve the problem because most terrorists are not first-generation immigrants, but rather second generation immigrants.

Reply
skinner Jersey City
05/23/17 5:49 am

Also the attack killed 22 people so far. Please pray for those still recovering from this tragedy.

GlockMan1 Alabama
05/23/17 5:50 am

Ban the first generation, you won't have the second generation.

skinner Jersey City
05/23/17 5:55 am

The second generation is already here. When you adopt blatantly racist policies like the travel ban it is likely to drive these indigenous citizens into the arms of extremists since the West clearly will not accept them.

Think Lovin Life
05/23/17 6:12 am

Skin ... and if the second gen is already here, then why would we allow more to come? What a ridiculous position!

skinner Jersey City
05/23/17 9:26 am

Think, the idea is that the time for this Muslim ban idea to even be feasible has passed. The time for an amoral isolationist scheme to be a possible solution is over and now we need to address the problem of homegrown extremism. This sort of domestic terrorism is fueled by many sources of propaganda, but the one with the most impact is the dysphoria Western Muslims feel in societies that seem to exclude them and discriminate against them based on their closely held religious beliefs. When they are not allowed to identify with the West, they will find other, more subversive elements for their identity. That's why combatting the Islamophobia promoted by this travel ban is so important

skinner Jersey City
05/23/17 9:29 am

This attack proves my point about why the travel ban won't help:

The suicide bomber, Salman Abedi, was born in Manchester and is a second generation immigrant.

Think Lovin Life
05/23/17 9:31 am

Skin ... so you agree that you lied, that it's not a "Muslim Ban". That's good, you're making progress.

The timing to stop the flow of terrorists is not gone. I get that you're totally tone deaf, but look at what happened in Manchester JUST LAST NIGHT!

skinner Jersey City
05/23/17 9:36 am

It's not a universal Muslim ban, but it's certainly a travel ban aimed exclusively at Muslim-majority countries. I use both in my terminology because even if it is not a complete Muslim ban, it is perceived as a ban of Muslims.

If the UK installed a travel ban it would not have stopped this attack. Abedi was born in Manchester decades ago. There is no flow of terrorists if they don't have to move away from their hometown to launch an attack. We have to counter radicalization, not immigration.

GlockMan1 Alabama
05/23/17 10:30 am

If the terroist ISLAMIC bomber was a 2nd generation...will the 3rd generation increase the attacks?

skinner Jersey City
05/23/17 11:02 am

Glock: Whether or not the third generation of Muslim Westerners is drawn towards extremism depends largely on whether we as a society choose to alienate them.

GlockMan1 Alabama
05/23/17 11:38 am

PUH-LEZE. Muslims have royally screwed up the Middle East and now they are doing the same to Europe. Take the blinders off. Muslims don't care about you. As a matter of fact....if you are a Christian, Jew, homosexual or atheist....they would kill you in many Islamic countries.

Think Lovin Life
05/23/17 12:48 pm

Skin ... I get that this is difficult, it's math. You see that the terrorists seeds already in the country are "x" and the new terrorists who would enter the country are "y". Get ready, this is where it gets complicated. When you add "x" and "y" the result is GREATER THAN "x". If you prevent "y" from entering the country, then you prevent up to "y" future terrorist acts.

If pictures are required, you may want to head back to third grade.

skinner Jersey City
05/23/17 1:53 pm

Glock, you need to begin to view the world with more nuance. Get educated about the fact that Muslims, like every religious group, are not one homogenous body of people who can be generalized like that. Learn more about the complicated set of problems facing the Middle East, everything from economic restructuring, to authoritarianism, to oil politics, to post-colonial development (note that none of these problems are caused by the existence of Muslims and that countries like Indonesia don't face many of these issues). Once you do that we can talk, but otherwise your simplistic worldview will mean that you never engage with my arguments.

truspec Texas
05/23/17 4:44 pm

Weird how some people believe Trump was elected because "the left" was marginalizing whites, but marginalizing Muslims with a travel ban aimed at them and their rhetoric won't cause reactionary tendencies

JDoe Its a gift
05/23/17 5:45 am

Don't believe Trump's Muslim ban would have much of an effect other than to worsen the situation.

Reply
skinner Jersey City
05/23/17 5:49 am

Exactly, the propaganda value is huge

GlockMan1 Alabama
05/23/17 5:52 am

Yes because peaceful Muslims need a reason to attack us.

Think Lovin Life
05/23/17 6:13 am

JD ... out the kool-aid down. My Muslim friends from Indonesia are still welcome t
With MrT's non-Muslim ban of individuals from terrorist invested countries.

It is time for you to stop the lying!

JDoe Its a gift
05/23/17 6:23 am

Haha, that sounds like that goofy argument "I'm not racist, I have good friends who are black"

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
05/23/17 6:24 am

This user is currently being ignored

JDoe Its a gift
05/23/17 6:59 am

Slow down a bit and think about the comment. Just because the word "racist" appears in a sentence doesn't mean it's an accusation someone is racist.

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
05/23/17 7:54 am

This user is currently being ignored

JDoe Its a gift
05/23/17 8:11 am

I forgot how sensitive Trump supporters are and that we need to be careful how we word things.

Think Lovin Life
05/23/17 8:58 am

JD ... admit your lies. It's not a Muslim ban and you know it!

JDoe Its a gift
05/23/17 9:05 am

Triggered!

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
05/23/17 9:20 am

This user is currently being ignored

JDoe Its a gift
05/23/17 12:34 pm

Really? When was I triggered?

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
05/23/17 12:48 pm

This user is currently being ignored

JDoe Its a gift
05/23/17 12:58 pm

You still don't get it. You should look up "friend fallacy" to understand better.

JDoe Its a gift
05/23/17 1:00 pm

BTW, the use of hashtags on SOH is an interesting choice.

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
05/23/17 1:06 pm

This user is currently being ignored

JDoe Its a gift
05/23/17 1:29 pm

#thanks

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
05/23/17 2:41 pm

This user is currently being ignored

JDoe Its a gift
05/23/17 2:42 pm

Where did I say I was a victim?

Think Lovin Life
05/23/17 2:43 pm

JD ... you flatter yourself as you attempt to shift the focus from your lies.

JDoe Its a gift
05/23/17 2:45 pm

I haven't shifted anything. I responded to Nemacyst.

Think Lovin Life
05/23/17 2:49 pm

JD ... given your undirected comments, who would know that?

You've still not dealt with your lies!

JDoe Its a gift
05/23/17 2:53 pm

And, out of curiosity, what undirected comments?

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
05/23/17 2:58 pm

This user is currently being ignored

JDoe Its a gift
05/23/17 3:07 pm

Heck, if talking to yourself is a sign of crazy, I'm in real trouble.

musicotic Michigan
05/23/17 5:43 am

The travel ban is racist, unconstitutional and wouldn't even solve the problem. NO BAN NO WALL!

Reply
GlockMan1 Alabama
05/23/17 5:54 am

HAHAHAHAHA😂😂😂😂😂

Think Lovin Life
05/23/17 6:14 am

Mus ... the travel ban is racist in what way?

musicotic Michigan
05/23/17 8:11 am

It discriminates against people based on ethnicity and place of birth.

Think Lovin Life
05/23/17 9:07 am

Mus ... nonsense, you little snowflake. It discriminates against those who would do us harm. By the way, it is the president's job to protect us from those forces foreign and domestic that would cause us harm.

MrT did precisely what he should have. Unlike the coward, MrO, MrT is doing what he can to protect us.

GlockMan1 Alabama
05/23/17 10:32 am

President Obama WAS A MUSLIM.

musicotic Michigan
05/23/17 11:31 am

Also false, he is Christian.

kihabr Rambler
05/23/17 5:34 am

In my opinion, those who think we don't need it will think that way until they are affected personally by terrorism. Like the people in San Bernardino, they weren't worried about terrorism that day.

Reply
TornPolitics
05/23/17 5:29 am

Travel ban wouldn't have prevented it from happening. Only makes the people inside that want to help their loved ones angry and tilt towards radicalizing. Bans keeps people apart not rally them together against a common enemy.

Reply
TornPolitics
05/23/17 7:00 am

Misguided beliefs that don't mold with your beliefs don't equal radical people that want to kill you. Sorry but those numbers don't add to people willing to take their religion so far to cut people's heads off and blow themselves up. The numbers don't add up like that. That video is very misleading.

GlockMan1 Alabama
05/23/17 7:09 am

Your embrace of the worlds greatest false religion speaks volumes about your own spiritual darkness.

TornPolitics
05/23/17 7:09 am

Or maybe I'm ignorant and don't really want to believe that many people want to kill me for being born where I was born.

TornPolitics
05/23/17 7:14 am

I don't embrace. I just don't believe they are all radical.

TornPolitics
05/23/17 7:15 am

Also I'm not sure what you were getting at there about my darkness. Please explain.

MrsCrayonWax
05/23/17 7:19 am

For the love of all, just because people have stated they don't want a travel ban, doesn't mean they've embraced Islam or their dark side. I wonder if there is a Muslim Glock somewhere telling fellow Muslims about how evil the whole of Christians are...

TornPolitics
05/23/17 7:23 am

Also, does that make you a Radical Christian by your own standards?