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If they do just go to prison, I hope they supply them with lots of slippery soap bars! (That's a horrible joke😂)

really? because torturing a child to its death sounds like an appropriate case.

Not in my book. While that is indeed reprehensible beyond words, I still do not support the death penalty in any case.

That's even more primitive. I have long lost faith in humanity.

Society as a whole can act more appropriately than individuals. Deviant individuals don't need to dictate low standards for society. Why should we pay someone to kill the convicted for the people who seek the death penalty. If you are for the death penalty, you're going to have to do it yourself.

*shot them

That would be the best actually. People need to feel what they did to other people when we execute them.

I like to keep it straight. Maximum punishment yes but no prison mob rule.
That's why such prisoners are often in isolation/protective custody.
I want law and order, no more, no less.

No, people like that deserve death. My method denies them the option to appeal on death row forever.

Jeez! That sounds awful! I hope someone sued or shut down that preschool. That kind of conduct is not acceptable.

Preschool isn't mandatory or is it? I would have taken him out at first occurrence.

I begged the parents to remove him they would not. You have no idea what this little boy has been through.

I reported it everywhere that I possibly could. I spoke to the head of the school. I've told every Parent in school teacher I've seen since then. There are two preschools and why that should be closed now.

Agreed, 4JC! Well said!!

Thanks, Glux!

They will most likely get death. Arizona is a conservative state with a tough-on-crime reputation. Juries, prosecutors, and judges in Maricopa County (home to the Phoenix metro area) tend to be very willing to pursue and hand down death sentences to heinous criminals like these two.

It may be difficult since there was no intent to kill.
A good defense may be able to dial the charges down to negligent homicide.

Doubtful. This was first-degree murder, plain and simple.

And what if you were on the jury?

I'd have to recuse myself.
In cases where the death penalty is sought, jurors who categorically oppose it are disqualified unless they lie and I wouldn't. I may be against it but wouldn't lie to save their lives.

If Arizona still used the gas chamber for executions, yes. But we replaced the gas chamber with lethal injection in 1992 through voter referendum. Although, I think most Arizonans would support replacing lethal injection with the firing squad nowadays. Lethal injection has become too costly and unreliable.

Lethal injection is too easy of a death, imho.

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I agree these type of people are the scum of the earth and don't deserve to be alive for another second. Or actually maybe they should get tortured to death.

I don't care how they get executed, just as long as it gets done. We need to get going with our executions anyhow. They've been on hold for far too long because of frivolous lawsuits brought forth by death row inmates. We should just switch to the firing squad or hanging. Lethal injection is far too inefficient.

How do you feel about the electric chair, Glux?

I support it.

Me, too. I personally think we should go back to public hangings where parents brought their kids to show them what happens when you don't live up to society's laws!

I'm also in favor of making trouble making kids tour jails/prisons to see where they're going to end up if they don't get it together!

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Public hangings would probably be more of a deterrent as well.

Public hangings is a little....uh sadistic? I think it would be a little scarring if you showed a lifeless body with a noose in its neck to them.

No, you don't show a lifeless body to them. People in the old west took their kids to the public hangings and had them watch them so the kids would know what would happen to them if they chose a life of crime. It was a teachable moment.

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Public Hangings is one of the things that tamed the West. It brought law and order to an otherwise lawless land.

Agreed. Jury selection has already begun for the trial. The details of the crime are bone-chilling (see above). Reading about it shocked me to my core. There is no way to describe it other than pure evil.

Oh my. That is sickening. Dog feces? Beaten with a wooden paddle? What has society come to?

Hell. Society has gone to hell.

It disgusts me that people would do that, especially to a little girl - their family member.

No question they need the death penelty.

Cases like this is what flipped me on the issue of the death penalty. I used to be opposed to executions, but once you've read and studied as many murder cases as I have (including the gritty details), it's hard to not support the death penalty afterwards.

One thing I didn't understand from the story, Glux---all those other relatives that are serving sentences for child abuse--was that over this girl, or other instances with other children?

It was all over this girl. It sounds like all this girl ever knew in her short life was cruelty.

Were all those adults living in one home?

Probably not. In these kinds of situations, the child is usually moved from house to house.

See further details of the crime above and tell me if that changes your mind. This crime was particularly heinous.