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skinner May 16th, 2017 10:46pm

Associates of James Comey allege that, according to a memo from the former FBI Director, President Trump pressed Comey towards "letting Flynn go" and stopping his investigation into his foreign ties. If true, would this be obstruction of justice?

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iceberg124
05/17/17 5:04 am

Why are you posting information without sufficient evidence skinner? I didn't think you were one for conspiracy theories

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skinner Wisconsin
05/17/17 8:04 am

What is your barometer for sufficient evidence to constitute an allegation worthy of discussion? This is a detailed, two-page description of a conversation between Comey and Trump as documented by the former FBI Director and communicated by several of his close associates. It's certainly not proven yet, which is why I described this as an allegation, but it could easily be true and so we need to start discussing it now.

Suzan Hawaii
05/16/17 10:23 pm

It was a request not an order

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elianastar Gab.ai FreeSpeech
05/16/17 8:56 pm

Yes.

But since it is one of a myriad unsourced, unconfirmed, unverified fabrications intended to discredit this Admin & everyone associated with it, no worries. Same ol', same ol' 🙄

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skinner Wisconsin
05/16/17 4:38 pm

The conversation allegedly took place after a national security meeting in the Oval Office in February. President Trump asked those attending, including Vice President Pence and Attorney General Sessions, to leave the room so that Comey and he could be alone. Trump allegedly started the conversation by berating leaks and asking Comey to arrest reporters who accept classified information from leakers. Then the president said, "I hope you can see your way clear to letting this go, to letting Flynn go. He is a good guy. I hope you can let this go." Comey allegedly replied, "I agree he is a good guy" and did not indicate he would stop the investigation into Flynn. James Comey allegedly has detailed memos on every single one of his conversations with President Trump. The NYT did not receive full access to the Comey memos, but was rather told sections of it by Comey associates

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Harry3603 Tampa Bay Florida.
05/16/17 4:38 pm

Yes, but it would require proof, or at least confirmation! Very very shoddy journalism.

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Iamamerican California
05/16/17 4:08 pm

Flynn was fired the day before the meeting.

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RagingMystic covfefe
05/16/17 4:23 pm

That has nothing to do with his breaking the law

Iamamerican California
05/16/17 4:27 pm

Because MSM makes it sound like Trump was allegedly asking Comey to drop the investigation on Flynn to save his job...but Flynn had already been fired. The FBI second in command has said that no one in the Trump administration has tried to stop the investigation.

RagingMystic covfefe
05/16/17 4:29 pm

...except that Flynn was still under investigation after being fired...

Iamamerican California
05/16/17 4:30 pm

And that hasn't changed

RagingMystic covfefe
05/16/17 4:33 pm

So the fact that he was fired before the meeting doesnt mean trump didnt ask the investigation to stop, because it was still there

Iamamerican California
05/16/17 4:35 pm

He didn't specifically tell Comey to stop the investigation....if he even said anything at all.

RagingMystic covfefe
05/16/17 4:38 pm

The evidence suggests otherwise

RagingMystic covfefe
05/16/17 4:41 pm

Except the memos

Iamamerican California
05/16/17 4:43 pm

Asking Comey to let it go......if he did say it.....is very different from demanding someone stop the investigation.
Link to actual memo(s)?

omniku dot com
05/16/17 5:06 pm

I had to jump in because I'm quite amused by this. 😀 @Iamamerican Are you saying it's not obstruction because he used the phrase "let it go" and didn't say "stop the investigation" verbatim? Let it go = give him a pass = stop the investigation.

The memo hasn't been released yet. Who knows if they'll go public but I bet the senate investigation subpoenas it.

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Iamamerican California
05/16/17 6:20 pm

How is that obstruction? Flynn was fired or resigned before Trump talked with Comey and Trump didn't demand that Comey stop investigating. The investigation is continuing and so far...no collusion.

RagingMystic covfefe
05/16/17 6:22 pm

Except trump did tell him to stop the investigation, and then fired him when he didnt. I'd call that obstruction yeah

Iamamerican California
05/16/17 6:23 pm

No he didn't tell him to stop the investigation. He was fired for being incompetent. Obama should have fired him.

RagingMystic covfefe
05/16/17 6:25 pm

Trump himself said he fired comey to stop the Russia investigation

RagingMystic covfefe
05/16/17 6:28 pm

Read the articles, plenty of major news outlets are covering it

Iamamerican California
05/16/17 6:29 pm

Then you can't prove it. A suggestion isn't a demand.

RagingMystic covfefe
05/16/17 6:30 pm

When its followed up by firing them becauae they didnt do it it is

Iamamerican California
05/16/17 6:41 pm

Nope, that's not it.
"However, later in the interview, he said that he backs a full investigation into Russian meddling in the election.

“I want that thing to be absolutely done properly,” Trump said, but later adding, “There's no collusion between me and my campaign and the Russians. The other thing is the Russians did not affect the vote.”

elianastar Gab.ai FreeSpeech
05/16/17 9:06 pm

"Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law" & no respectable *actual* journalist would *ever* publish or reference unsubstantiated, unproven, unsourced material and present it as verified undisputed fact... until the last ten years or so, & particularly the past 18 months to 2 years.

Accusation & gossip are *not* evidence. Just because one *wants* something to be true doesn't make it so.

elianastar Gab.ai FreeSpeech
05/16/17 9:07 pm

IF what has been alleged is PROVEN with credible substantiated *evidence* - beyond a *reasonable* doubt - that would be different. To date, to my knowledge nothing asserted or claimed to be true RE Trump or his Admin has achieved the status of illegal or otherwise actionable. Unwise, not recommended, perhaps, not actionable.

As hard as so many are wishing they be true.

elianastar Gab.ai FreeSpeech
05/16/17 9:08 pm

And, for context, I viewed *all* the accusations RE BHO the *same* way.

HammeringMan Gods Away On Business
05/17/17 4:50 am

Trump! Interfere with investigations? What an absurd assumption.

Neither Bill Clinton's meeting with THE Attorney General just before Coney's announcement or Trump's numerous meetings could possibly contain any self serving purposes.

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