A new good samaritan drug law in Canada provides legal immunity from simple possession charges for those who call 911 in the case of an overdose. Good law?
Good. Next, they need to get rid of the drug charges that are there in the first place.
Let the junkies die. My dad is a cop and he has responded to a number of overdose calls. You know what happens after the paramedics restart the heart with Narcan? The junkies complain about losing their high. For every one kid who has had a bad reaction to their first time trying marijuana there are fifty heroin addicts who have already given up on life and serve only as a burden on the emergency response system.
Sounds cold but I tend to agree. The old adage "can't help someone who isn't willing to help themselves" stands.
Unfortunately some here fail to remember that we are all still human. We are all capable and prone to make dumb decisions. That doesn't mean that we should die because of them. It's drugs, not murder. Get over yourself.
Is addiction REALLY a disease?🙄is obesity a disease?💪🏼🤛🏼
Yes and yes.
🤔I need an explanation that I understand. How is it either to the said above? Someone once tried to describe it to me as these "types" don't have a stop sign in their brains. I actually don't understand, Really, help if you can?
Some people have genetic predispositions towards addiction. The dopamine receptors in the brain do not function properly leading addiction. That being said, I personally do not think of either as a disease.
It saves lives. The only argument against I can think is that it encourages drug use, but do people taking drugs really think about whether or not they can call 911 if they OD?
I believe people confuse the difference between healthy habits and addiction. There's a clear line, generally it's the addicts that tend to cross that line.
Don't think there's such a thing as a "healthy" habit of Drugs you can OD on that also land you in prison.
I'm not addicted to meth. But I have a healthy habit of taking meth. Kinda weird.
No, healthy people with healthy habits know the difference. Like likes like!
For fucks sake yes. You stupid idiotic vindictive prudish hypocritical Americans need to wake the holy fuck up and realize this is not a criminal issue.
It's always a criminal issue when slavery is legal as a form of criminal punishment 😉
You're righty it's not a crime issue, it's an economic one. Is it really worth the money involved to save a junkie from their latest attempt at self destruction? No.
Nope. You do illegal drugs, you get the consequences.
There shouldn't be legal consequences for something that causes 0 harm to others
Legality does not equal morality. Do you really think people who collect rainwater on their property or grow plants in their backyard deserve fines and prison time?
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The motive is irrelevant.
The motive is irrelevant, murder is murder.
Agreed, hate crimes should not exist
Fuck SB, fuck you right in the ass
Motive is relevant. Classing it helps us determine the character of an action being made. The action of killing someone with a motive that was not maliciously premeditated is called manslaughter. This action is illegal.
Taking someone else's personal property, like a TV, for the reason of personal gain is an action that is called theft.
Do you charge someone with a medical condition causing them to impulsively steal certain types of items in the same manner that you would the person who took the tv?
Zero harm to others? The question was about OD'ing, you don't think that harms others?
It does no harm to others
Yes, AS LONG AS if and when their taxpayer-funded medical care to save them is complete they provide information to help find distributor. If they clam up, immunity is off the table.
Or we could just not have taxpayer funded medical care and they could pay for their own mistakes.
People generally pay their own taxes as well so knock it off.
People make mistakes, lives can be saved and that's always good
A better law would have been to just make drugs legal.
No, choices should have their consequences. You want to support crime and cost the state money trying to save you in exchange for immunity from your unlawful actions? What kinda shit is this
Does Canada give immunity to the parents of a child who accidentally shot himself or someone else with the parent's gun? As long as the parents call 911.
It's only supporting crime due to the black market you support. Legalize it and crime goes away. So simple....so God damn fucking simple.
I am not against legalizing drugs, but the crime of illegal drugs go away. There are other crimes associated with drug use that does not go away.
No shit it goes away, legalize a crime and suddenly that crime isn't considered a crime anymore. Genius move.
Alkan if that's what you took from what I said I'm not sure you're able to have this conversation
Uhh to be fair illegal sales of weed have gone up in legalized states. It does not remove the criminal aspect. In fact it makes them easier to operate
Life or death situations? Good grief. Even if the guy just robbed a bank, go for life and keep the priorities in order.
Not the criminal who needs saving here. Then again, maybe he/she does.
If it was a crime to eat a sandwich and someone ate a sandwich it's totally cool to just let them die if they choke? Just because it's illegal?
No. If they want to do drugs, they can suffer the consequences. That's what they tell us when they try to legalize drugs, isn't it?
There shouldn't be legal consequences in first place.
Only if they suffer the consequences of their actions. Taxpayers are paying for their medical treatment because God knows druggies don't have money.
You live in the USA correct? Taxpayers don't pay for others health coverage here. Also stereotypes aren't much of an argument.
We actually pay $600 billion annually for drug treatment.
"And treatment can help reduce these costs"lmao congratulations you just played yourself
That makes sense if you have no critical thinking skills.
implying they won't get new clients every day
Taxpayers don't pay for others healthcare in the US?
You can't be serious or you need a refresher course on Obamacare, Medicaid, Medi Cal, CHIP, Medicare.
Now you're just being retarded.
Lol you base this on what exactly? For being a condescending dìck you sure don't have any factual evidence to support your convictions.
You are delusional if you think it's possible to stop millions of addictions altogether. Addiction is in our nature as humans, are you going to advocate the death of anyone who drinks coffee? Your logic is extremely flawed.
Making drugs illegal has never worked.
If we make it legal, we should drop all coverage of medical expenses relating to overdoses so they can suffer the consequences of their actions.
That is cruel and unusual punishment.
That is not punishment. That is taking away a PRIVILEGE. The government is not killing them. They can still pay for healthcare. They are being killed by drugs that they themselves ingested.
You can't know their financial status when you arrive in an emt
Really good idea
I like it. Someone who is in legitimate medical danger should be immune from possession charges, on the condition that they agree to surrender their stash.
Had me until the last bit. If i have too much to drink should i have to surrender my alcohol? No.
I assumed the question was asking about hard drugs specifically, since it's impossible to overdose on marijuana and most hallucinogens.
Good law, saves lives.
Just flush it down the toilet after you Almagest the call problem solved
Almagest? Is that even a word crawdaddy?
They still do toxicology reports
Illegal drug use=jail time
It shows us again that Canadians are much smarter and more empathetic than those who will make fun of this law or criticize it.
It seems to fly in the face of Darwinian evolution
Exactly. Empathy is society's greatest weakness.
Why do we need empathy? Doesn't the herd need thinning? Only the strong survive.
Look guys, people who are addicted, aren't going to benefit from con-college. We need to look at this differently.
Ohk, let your child die because of fear of the establishment. Addicts will never become useful to society. There is never an instance of an addict becoming something that changes the fabric of society for good.
Hmmmm, well I am an addict, and my career now is to save lives. I will always addict. If i didn't have the family and supportive systems that I have had in my life, I would be dead. Being addicted is human nature. Placing addicts around criminals and ruining their ability to contribute to society creates chaos. It forces them to use the tools that you gave them, which is to commit crimes to feed an action that is desirable as food to a starving person.
"Being addicted is human nature"
I guess being addicted messed up your brain. Seek help.
Is it not? To parallel Neil de grass Tyson point about addiction.. if addiction wasn't part of our nature, than people would eat a diet of beans, rice, fruit and lettuce, instead of paying remarkably more for variety.
Oh was that from the drug addict facebook page?
I figured. I'm sure it feels very good to normalize your character flaws.
It does, how about yours?
I'm lazy. I know I shouldn't be. The first step is admitting you have a problem. Problems aren't normal.
Lazy is incredibly abnormal, you should hide in fear from shaming trolls on the internet
I can actually admit that there are negative characteristics about myself. You are normalizing addictive behaviors because you don't want to admit that you have negative characteristics.
Car... I have character flaws;) addiction is one of many. I suck. I'm a horrible human.
Nem, you have to understand what she means by "saving lives". You have to understand how these people think. They don't think about "saving lives" directly. She probably answers the phone at the drug addict hotline.
At least you admit that addiction is a flaw and not "human nature".
Car- true, human nature contains zero flaws
Neither of you two douche-bag trolls have any other enlightening douchebaggery to bestow on me?! Has the mind numbing nonsense stopped? Can the intellectual conversation begin again? Am I just talking to two bored keyboard warriors in their moms basement who can't decide whether to jerk it with lotion or get creative with a banana peal? Lol only God will know. Until than, thanks for the entertainment
Being addicted is human nature? Hmmm, I say practice some self control. Perhaps commercialization has made that impossible.
True, the only harm trolls posses are: will the customer get the burger with the sauces that were requested?!... or should I jump to your idea of, " my career contains zero people with addiction in their history, so society is safe."
That's actually super funny!!!🤣
Louder, ask yourself: am I addicted to anything, food, sex, love, work, money, exercise, social media, computers in general, cursing, religion, sh!tting in the morning after coffee, puppy dogs...... ask yourself... if you fall into the abnormal category of no, than you are abnormal. Good day
Wait, shitting in the am after coffee is an addiction? Or is it on the lowest rung of Maslows hierarchy of needs? Just saying Jen, I'm on your side-Take the gloves off🥊
I'm going to get your burger right and do and line in the bathroom only so that I can feel dumb enough to answer any of your pathetic, wanna be, philosophical questions. Than I will re-evaluate my life and countertroll for a while to make myself smile. After that, I plan on traveling the world. How about you? Anything grand in the near future?
Further, I question when people say "normal." "Normal" is a range💆🏻
Nem, you've never made me laugh🤣with
Louder- come on- sh!tting after coffee is nice. You can't disagree
Of course, I'm agreeing with you. But it's NOT an addiction💩like "organic" we've bastardized the word addict.
Um yes, coffee to cause the poop is addictive. No watering needed
I am, you are now my new hero "no lives matter" truly a social justice hero. I can tell by your contradictory
"Wait, s******g in the am after coffee is an addiction?"
I'm addicted as shit
Yes! Thank you coffee! Lol
Hahahahaha apparently religion is an addiction. Now you can say you're equal to an old lady who goes to church every Sunday.
Car- yes-true dat
True- you're statement is "no lives matter", so yes, we are all insignificant and all of this is nonsense. Do drugs, go to church, poop after coffee, who cares
You guys have truly been fun to troll with. I've been a little bored lately, so thanks. Good night:) oh, I'm gonna go get high off my patients meds now while I'm in church cuz I'm a moral-less, poop saving, hazard to society, so don't you worry- you've been correct the entire time. Don't be sad if I don't continue the convo after your witty comeback;) 👍😽
Simple possession shouldn't be a crime in the first place, but absolutely.
I love that so many are in favor of this.
The Canuck save the stoners bill, what a bunch of hosers !
Pot is legal there...
Also can't overdose on pot.
Naw, the😜stoners, just create traffic congestion on the Canuck streets by driving below the speed limit
Eh? What are you talking aboot? They're ALL addicted to drugs up there...the pharmacies made the mistake of shaping pills like hockey pucks.
This is objectively a good thing, and will save many lives. We need this in America
Reminds me of how some universities do the same when dealing with alcohol poisoning in students. Now they can call for help without fear of consequences of underage drinking rather than leave them.
Yep, we have this in Ann Arbor and it's a great rule. Called medical amnesty.
You're not the one reviving the same idiots every month.
The best way to deal with this is to not get drunk in the first place.
I agree with that, but not everyone has self control. I'd rather have someone live to see another day.
@carcano are you? Because I have a hard time believing a doctor would say something that lacking in empathy
@lovejoy that sounds a lot like the abstinence argument.. you're technically right, but no one is going to stop all young people from drinking, so your institutions need to offer the best way to deal with those that do
I used to be a firefighter. All I'm saying is that it's easy to say "wow these policies are great" when you can sit in your living room pretending that you did something good, while others have to go out and revive the same addicts every month because they never actually get off drugs.
If the policy saves lives, then I have no problem saying, from my bedroom, that it's a good policy. In addition, we should be publicly funding addiction treatment centers so that people can get help to end their addictions. Letting people die is not acceptable.
That is if you can define dying 14 times a year as "life", sure.
You seem to have all the answers. I wonder why nobody has considered funding treatment centers before.
You're right, I wonder why, after being made completely obvious over the last 50 years, that no one has actually divested any money from the drug war to be spent on drug treatment centers!
It's a great question and I really don't know. Probably because of the enormous forces interested in maintaining the status quo
Indiana lifeline law is very similar. If you are underage drinking and someone needs medical attention you don't get in trouble if you call 911. Has saved many lives and is a great idea.
Great law. It will save lives.
Good and bad. Not too sure how I feel...
May I ask what you find bad?
Less legal problems from those who abuse.
But it can also save lives which is good.
Would the same people support immunity for an unlawful gun possession for those calling 911 to report a shooting?
Any prohibition of victimless actions or conditions is a bad thing, so this "exemption" is good in and of itself.
That said, this in practice means that the only way to legally possess whatever it applies to is to overdose on it. So, overall not a good situation, haha.
I don't like it. It's a patch to a law which by itself is wrong. It's a feel good solution to avoid the real discussion of why it's still illegal to do drugs.
No. Shouldn't be overdosing on drugs anyway.
Stfu cowboy. Nobody's perfect.
Boo hoo snowflake.
Overdosing is a choice though. Don't do vast amounts of drugs, and you won't put your life at risk. It's not a matter of not being perfect.
@BritneySpear Lol Britney Spears 😂😂😂
Jeff sessions probably thinks it's a terrible idea