Show of Hands

Sounds cold but I tend to agree. The old adage "can't help someone who isn't willing to help themselves" stands.

Yes and yes.

🤔I need an explanation that I understand. How is it either to the said above? Someone once tried to describe it to me as these "types" don't have a stop sign in their brains. I actually don't understand, Really, help if you can?

Some people have genetic predispositions towards addiction. The dopamine receptors in the brain do not function properly leading addiction. That being said, I personally do not think of either as a disease.

Don't think there's such a thing as a "healthy" habit of Drugs you can OD on that also land you in prison.

I'm not addicted to meth. But I have a healthy habit of taking meth. Kinda weird.

No, healthy people with healthy habits know the difference. Like likes like!

It's always a criminal issue when slavery is legal as a form of criminal punishment 😉

You're righty it's not a crime issue, it's an economic one. Is it really worth the money involved to save a junkie from their latest attempt at self destruction? No.

There shouldn't be legal consequences for something that causes 0 harm to others

Legality does not equal morality. Do you really think people who collect rainwater on their property or grow plants in their backyard deserve fines and prison time?

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The motive is irrelevant.

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The motive is irrelevant, murder is murder.

Agreed, hate crimes should not exist

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Fuck SB, fuck you right in the ass

Motive is relevant. Classing it helps us determine the character of an action being made. The action of killing someone with a motive that was not maliciously premeditated is called manslaughter. This action is illegal.

Taking someone else's personal property, like a TV, for the reason of personal gain is an action that is called theft.

Do you charge someone with a medical condition causing them to impulsively steal certain types of items in the same manner that you would the person who took the tv?

Zero harm to others? The question was about OD'ing, you don't think that harms others?

It does no harm to others

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Wrong again

Or we could just not have taxpayer funded medical care and they could pay for their own mistakes.

People generally pay their own taxes as well so knock it off.

Does Canada give immunity to the parents of a child who accidentally shot himself or someone else with the parent's gun? As long as the parents call 911.

It's only supporting crime due to the black market you support. Legalize it and crime goes away. So simple....so God damn fucking simple.

I am not against legalizing drugs, but the crime of illegal drugs go away. There are other crimes associated with drug use that does not go away.

No shit it goes away, legalize a crime and suddenly that crime isn't considered a crime anymore. Genius move.

/sigh

Alkan if that's what you took from what I said I'm not sure you're able to have this conversation

Uhh to be fair illegal sales of weed have gone up in legalized states. It does not remove the criminal aspect. In fact it makes them easier to operate

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Not the criminal who needs saving here. Then again, maybe he/she does.

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If it was a crime to eat a sandwich and someone ate a sandwich it's totally cool to just let them die if they choke? Just because it's illegal?

There shouldn't be legal consequences in first place.

Only if they suffer the consequences of their actions. Taxpayers are paying for their medical treatment because God knows druggies don't have money.

You live in the USA correct? Taxpayers don't pay for others health coverage here. Also stereotypes aren't much of an argument.

We actually pay $600 billion annually for drug treatment.

www.drugabuse.gov/publications/principles-drug-addiction-treatment-research-based-guide-third-edition/frequently-asked-questions/drug-addiction-treatment-worth-its-cost

"And treatment can help reduce these costs"lmao congratulations you just played yourself

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That makes sense if you have no critical thinking skills.

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implying they won't get new clients every day

Taxpayers don't pay for others healthcare in the US?
You can't be serious or you need a refresher course on Obamacare, Medicaid, Medi Cal, CHIP, Medicare.

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Now you're just being retarded.

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Lol you base this on what exactly? For being a condescending dìck you sure don't have any factual evidence to support your convictions.

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You are delusional if you think it's possible to stop millions of addictions altogether. Addiction is in our nature as humans, are you going to advocate the death of anyone who drinks coffee? Your logic is extremely flawed.

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Making drugs illegal has never worked.

If we make it legal, we should drop all coverage of medical expenses relating to overdoses so they can suffer the consequences of their actions.

That is cruel and unusual punishment.

That is not punishment. That is taking away a PRIVILEGE. The government is not killing them. They can still pay for healthcare. They are being killed by drugs that they themselves ingested.

You can't know their financial status when you arrive in an emt

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Had me until the last bit. If i have too much to drink should i have to surrender my alcohol? No.

I assumed the question was asking about hard drugs specifically, since it's impossible to overdose on marijuana and most hallucinogens.

Almagest? Is that even a word crawdaddy?

They still do toxicology reports

Bad opinion

Good opinion

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It seems to fly in the face of Darwinian evolution

Exactly. Empathy is society's greatest weakness.

Why do we need empathy? Doesn't the herd need thinning? Only the strong survive.

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Ohk, let your child die because of fear of the establishment. Addicts will never become useful to society. There is never an instance of an addict becoming something that changes the fabric of society for good.

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Hmmmm, well I am an addict, and my career now is to save lives. I will always addict. If i didn't have the family and supportive systems that I have had in my life, I would be dead. Being addicted is human nature. Placing addicts around criminals and ruining their ability to contribute to society creates chaos. It forces them to use the tools that you gave them, which is to commit crimes to feed an action that is desirable as food to a starving person.

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Nice troll;)

"Being addicted is human nature"

I guess being addicted messed up your brain. Seek help.

Is it not? To parallel Neil de grass Tyson point about addiction.. if addiction wasn't part of our nature, than people would eat a diet of beans, rice, fruit and lettuce, instead of paying remarkably more for variety.

Oh was that from the drug addict facebook page?

Yes

I figured. I'm sure it feels very good to normalize your character flaws.

It does, how about yours?

I'm lazy. I know I shouldn't be. The first step is admitting you have a problem. Problems aren't normal.

Lazy is incredibly abnormal, you should hide in fear from shaming trolls on the internet

I can actually admit that there are negative characteristics about myself. You are normalizing addictive behaviors because you don't want to admit that you have negative characteristics.

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Car... I have character flaws;) addiction is one of many. I suck. I'm a horrible human.

Nem, you have to understand what she means by "saving lives". You have to understand how these people think. They don't think about "saving lives" directly. She probably answers the phone at the drug addict hotline.

At least you admit that addiction is a flaw and not "human nature".

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Car- true, human nature contains zero flaws

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Neither of you two douche-bag trolls have any other enlightening douchebaggery to bestow on me?! Has the mind numbing nonsense stopped? Can the intellectual conversation begin again? Am I just talking to two bored keyboard warriors in their moms basement who can't decide whether to jerk it with lotion or get creative with a banana peal? Lol only God will know. Until than, thanks for the entertainment

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Being addicted is human nature? Hmmm, I say practice some self control. Perhaps commercialization has made that impossible.

True, the only harm trolls posses are: will the customer get the burger with the sauces that were requested?!... or should I jump to your idea of, " my career contains zero people with addiction in their history, so society is safe."

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That's actually super funny!!!🤣

Louder, ask yourself: am I addicted to anything, food, sex, love, work, money, exercise, social media, computers in general, cursing, religion, sh!tting in the morning after coffee, puppy dogs...... ask yourself... if you fall into the abnormal category of no, than you are abnormal. Good day

Wait, shitting in the am after coffee is an addiction? Or is it on the lowest rung of Maslows hierarchy of needs? Just saying Jen, I'm on your side-Take the gloves off🥊

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I'm going to get your burger right and do and line in the bathroom only so that I can feel dumb enough to answer any of your pathetic, wanna be, philosophical questions. Than I will re-evaluate my life and countertroll for a while to make myself smile. After that, I plan on traveling the world. How about you? Anything grand in the near future?

Further, I question when people say "normal." "Normal" is a range💆🏻

Nem, you've never made me laugh🤣with

Louder- come on- sh!tting after coffee is nice. You can't disagree

Of course, I'm agreeing with you. But it's NOT an addiction💩like "organic" we've bastardized the word addict.

Um yes, coffee to cause the poop is addictive. No watering needed

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I am, you are now my new hero "no lives matter" truly a social justice hero. I can tell by your contradictory

"Wait, s******g in the am after coffee is an addiction?"

I'm addicted as shit

Yes! Thank you coffee! Lol

Hahahahaha apparently religion is an addiction. Now you can say you're equal to an old lady who goes to church every Sunday.

Car- yes-true dat

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True- you're statement is "no lives matter", so yes, we are all insignificant and all of this is nonsense. Do drugs, go to church, poop after coffee, who cares

You guys have truly been fun to troll with. I've been a little bored lately, so thanks. Good night:) oh, I'm gonna go get high off my patients meds now while I'm in church cuz I'm a moral-less, poop saving, hazard to society, so don't you worry- you've been correct the entire time. Don't be sad if I don't continue the convo after your witty comeback;) 👍😽

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Pot is legal there...

Also can't overdose on pot.

Naw, the😜stoners, just create traffic congestion on the Canuck streets by driving below the speed limit
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Eh? What are you talking aboot? They're ALL addicted to drugs up there...the pharmacies made the mistake of shaping pills like hockey pucks.

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Yep, we have this in Ann Arbor and it's a great rule. Called medical amnesty.

You're not the one reviving the same idiots every month.

The best way to deal with this is to not get drunk in the first place.

I agree with that, but not everyone has self control. I'd rather have someone live to see another day.

@carcano are you? Because I have a hard time believing a doctor would say something that lacking in empathy

@lovejoy that sounds a lot like the abstinence argument.. you're technically right, but no one is going to stop all young people from drinking, so your institutions need to offer the best way to deal with those that do

I used to be a firefighter. All I'm saying is that it's easy to say "wow these policies are great" when you can sit in your living room pretending that you did something good, while others have to go out and revive the same addicts every month because they never actually get off drugs.

If the policy saves lives, then I have no problem saying, from my bedroom, that it's a good policy. In addition, we should be publicly funding addiction treatment centers so that people can get help to end their addictions. Letting people die is not acceptable.

That is if you can define dying 14 times a year as "life", sure.

You seem to have all the answers. I wonder why nobody has considered funding treatment centers before.

You're right, I wonder why, after being made completely obvious over the last 50 years, that no one has actually divested any money from the drug war to be spent on drug treatment centers!

It's a great question and I really don't know. Probably because of the enormous forces interested in maintaining the status quo

May I ask what you find bad?

Less legal problems from those who abuse.

But it can also save lives which is good.

Yes

Stfu cowboy. Nobody's perfect.

Boo hoo snowflake.

Overdosing is a choice though. Don't do vast amounts of drugs, and you won't put your life at risk. It's not a matter of not being perfect.

@BritneySpear Lol Britney Spears 😂😂😂