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Show Of Hands May 16th, 2017 4:19pm

A new good samaritan drug law in Canada provides legal immunity from simple possession charges for those who call 911 in the case of an overdose. Good law?

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Arbiter7
05/23/17 3:46 pm

Good. Next, they need to get rid of the drug charges that are there in the first place.

lmkeller
05/20/17 2:15 am

Let the junkies die. My dad is a cop and he has responded to a number of overdose calls. You know what happens after the paramedics restart the heart with Narcan? The junkies complain about losing their high. For every one kid who has had a bad reaction to their first time trying marijuana there are fifty heroin addicts who have already given up on life and serve only as a burden on the emergency response system.

Louderthebetter
05/20/17 9:52 am

Sounds cold but I tend to agree. The old adage "can't help someone who isn't willing to help themselves" stands.

LordLidus
05/18/17 8:19 pm

Unfortunately some here fail to remember that we are all still human. We are all capable and prone to make dumb decisions. That doesn't mean that we should die because of them. It's drugs, not murder. Get over yourself.

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Louderthebetter
05/17/17 2:36 pm

Is addiction REALLY a disease?🙄is obesity a disease?💪🏼🤛🏼

dragondoy777
05/18/17 2:25 pm

Yes and yes.

Louderthebetter
05/18/17 2:52 pm

🤔I need an explanation that I understand. How is it either to the said above? Someone once tried to describe it to me as these "types" don't have a stop sign in their brains. I actually don't understand, Really, help if you can?

lmkeller
05/20/17 2:17 am

Some people have genetic predispositions towards addiction. The dopamine receptors in the brain do not function properly leading addiction. That being said, I personally do not think of either as a disease.

ParaguasPato Columbus GA
05/17/17 2:26 pm

It saves lives. The only argument against I can think is that it encourages drug use, but do people taking drugs really think about whether or not they can call 911 if they OD?

Louderthebetter
05/17/17 10:09 am

I believe people confuse the difference between healthy habits and addiction. There's a clear line, generally it's the addicts that tend to cross that line.

scrpnHOG Arizona
05/17/17 2:24 pm

Don't think there's such a thing as a "healthy" habit of Drugs you can OD on that also land you in prison.

I'm not addicted to meth. But I have a healthy habit of taking meth. Kinda weird.

Louderthebetter
05/17/17 2:28 pm

No, healthy people with healthy habits know the difference. Like likes like!

rebelfury76 Alba gu brath
05/17/17 7:32 am

For fucks sake yes. You stupid idiotic vindictive prudish hypocritical Americans need to wake the holy fuck up and realize this is not a criminal issue.

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LaReine Communist Lesbian
05/17/17 12:58 pm

It's always a criminal issue when slavery is legal as a form of criminal punishment 😉

lmkeller
05/20/17 2:19 am

You're righty it's not a crime issue, it's an economic one. Is it really worth the money involved to save a junkie from their latest attempt at self destruction? No.

sb129 Clayton, Ohio
05/17/17 4:50 am

Nope. You do illegal drugs, you get the consequences.

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rambo088 kansas
05/17/17 5:36 am

There shouldn't be legal consequences for something that causes 0 harm to others

Mackinaw Wolverine State, est.1837
05/17/17 6:30 am

Legality does not equal morality. Do you really think people who collect rainwater on their property or grow plants in their backyard deserve fines and prison time?

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
05/17/17 6:55 am

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Mackinaw Wolverine State, est.1837
05/17/17 6:59 am

The motive is irrelevant.

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
05/17/17 7:02 am

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Mackinaw Wolverine State, est.1837
05/17/17 7:06 am

The motive is irrelevant, murder is murder.

rambo088 kansas
05/17/17 7:06 am

Agreed, hate crimes should not exist

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
05/17/17 7:19 am

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rebelfury76 Alba gu brath
05/17/17 7:32 am

Fuck SB, fuck you right in the ass

LaReine Communist Lesbian
05/17/17 1:10 pm

Motive is relevant. Classing it helps us determine the character of an action being made. The action of killing someone with a motive that was not maliciously premeditated is called manslaughter. This action is illegal.

Taking someone else's personal property, like a TV, for the reason of personal gain is an action that is called theft.

Do you charge someone with a medical condition causing them to impulsively steal certain types of items in the same manner that you would the person who took the tv?

pcisbs1 Baltimore to Central PA
05/17/17 2:08 pm

Zero harm to others? The question was about OD'ing, you don't think that harms others?

rambo088 kansas
05/17/17 2:12 pm

It does no harm to others

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
05/17/17 2:21 pm

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rambo088 kansas
05/17/17 2:35 pm

Wrong again

otto Olean, NY
05/16/17 11:47 pm

Yes, AS LONG AS if and when their taxpayer-funded medical care to save them is complete they provide information to help find distributor. If they clam up, immunity is off the table.

Mackinaw Wolverine State, est.1837
05/17/17 6:31 am

Or we could just not have taxpayer funded medical care and they could pay for their own mistakes.

rebelfury76 Alba gu brath
05/17/17 7:33 am

People generally pay their own taxes as well so knock it off.

NYG44 Upstate NY
05/16/17 9:41 pm

People make mistakes, lives can be saved and that's always good

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Mackinaw Wolverine State, est.1837
05/16/17 8:54 pm

A better law would have been to just make drugs legal.

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Alkan
05/16/17 8:52 pm

No, choices should have their consequences. You want to support crime and cost the state money trying to save you in exchange for immunity from your unlawful actions? What kinda shit is this

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evoecon nearest binary system
05/16/17 9:34 pm

Does Canada give immunity to the parents of a child who accidentally shot himself or someone else with the parent's gun? As long as the parents call 911.

rebelfury76 Alba gu brath
05/17/17 7:34 am

It's only supporting crime due to the black market you support. Legalize it and crime goes away. So simple....so God damn fucking simple.

evoecon nearest binary system
05/17/17 8:18 am

I am not against legalizing drugs, but the crime of illegal drugs go away. There are other crimes associated with drug use that does not go away.

Alkan
05/17/17 8:47 am

No shit it goes away, legalize a crime and suddenly that crime isn't considered a crime anymore. Genius move.

rebelfury76 Alba gu brath
05/17/17 11:17 am

/sigh

Alkan if that's what you took from what I said I'm not sure you're able to have this conversation

Henry123 Connecticut
05/17/17 11:35 am

Uhh to be fair illegal sales of weed have gone up in legalized states. It does not remove the criminal aspect. In fact it makes them easier to operate

dudley northern Virginia woods
05/16/17 7:31 pm

Life or death situations? Good grief. Even if the guy just robbed a bank, go for life and keep the priorities in order.

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Nemacyst No Lives Matter
05/17/17 6:55 am

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dudley northern Virginia woods
05/17/17 8:51 am

Not the criminal who needs saving here. Then again, maybe he/she does.

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
05/17/17 9:14 am

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Henry123 Connecticut
05/17/17 11:37 am

If it was a crime to eat a sandwich and someone ate a sandwich it's totally cool to just let them die if they choke? Just because it's illegal?

TheSpookyGhost paleoconservative
05/16/17 6:31 pm

No. If they want to do drugs, they can suffer the consequences. That's what they tell us when they try to legalize drugs, isn't it?

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rambo088 kansas
05/16/17 6:35 pm

There shouldn't be legal consequences in first place.

TheSpookyGhost paleoconservative
05/16/17 7:04 pm

Only if they suffer the consequences of their actions. Taxpayers are paying for their medical treatment because God knows druggies don't have money.

rambo088 kansas
05/16/17 7:17 pm

You live in the USA correct? Taxpayers don't pay for others health coverage here. Also stereotypes aren't much of an argument.

TheSpookyGhost paleoconservative
05/16/17 11:43 pm

We actually pay $600 billion annually for drug treatment.

rambo088 kansas
05/17/17 5:35 am

"And treatment can help reduce these costs"lmao congratulations you just played yourself

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
05/17/17 6:56 am

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rambo088 kansas
05/17/17 7:10 am

That makes sense if you have no critical thinking skills.

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
05/17/17 7:18 am

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rambo088 kansas
05/17/17 7:27 am

implying they won't get new clients every day

nacho
05/17/17 7:28 am

Taxpayers don't pay for others healthcare in the US?
You can't be serious or you need a refresher course on Obamacare, Medicaid, Medi Cal, CHIP, Medicare.

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
05/17/17 7:56 am

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rambo088 kansas
05/17/17 10:04 am

Now you're just being retarded.

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
05/17/17 10:12 am

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rambo088 kansas
05/17/17 10:20 am

Lol you base this on what exactly? For being a condescending dìck you sure don't have any factual evidence to support your convictions.

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
05/17/17 11:23 am

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rambo088 kansas
05/17/17 11:30 am

You are delusional if you think it's possible to stop millions of addictions altogether. Addiction is in our nature as humans, are you going to advocate the death of anyone who drinks coffee? Your logic is extremely flawed.

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
05/17/17 11:37 am

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rambo088 kansas
05/17/17 11:40 am

Making drugs illegal has never worked.

TheSpookyGhost paleoconservative
05/17/17 3:51 pm

If we make it legal, we should drop all coverage of medical expenses relating to overdoses so they can suffer the consequences of their actions.

rambo088 kansas
05/17/17 3:56 pm

That is cruel and unusual punishment.

TheSpookyGhost paleoconservative
05/17/17 4:02 pm

That is not punishment. That is taking away a PRIVILEGE. The government is not killing them. They can still pay for healthcare. They are being killed by drugs that they themselves ingested.

rambo088 kansas
05/17/17 4:05 pm

You can't know their financial status when you arrive in an emt

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05/17/17 4:42 pm

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Gunfighter06 Iowa, since 1846
05/16/17 4:35 pm

I like it. Someone who is in legitimate medical danger should be immune from possession charges, on the condition that they agree to surrender their stash.

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rebelfury76 Alba gu brath
05/17/17 7:35 am

Had me until the last bit. If i have too much to drink should i have to surrender my alcohol? No.

Gunfighter06 Iowa, since 1846
05/17/17 5:05 pm

I assumed the question was asking about hard drugs specifically, since it's impossible to overdose on marijuana and most hallucinogens.

osouless Whats Next
05/16/17 3:50 pm

Good law, saves lives.

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Crawdaddy11 MIMNAZMN
05/16/17 3:40 pm

Just flush it down the toilet after you Almagest the call problem solved

Crawdaddy11 MIMNAZMN
05/16/17 3:41 pm

Almagest? Is that even a word crawdaddy?

rambo088 kansas
05/16/17 5:00 pm

They still do toxicology reports

sb129 Clayton, Ohio
05/16/17 1:51 pm

Illegal drug use=jail time

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rambo088 kansas
05/16/17 5:00 pm

Bad opinion

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
05/17/17 6:58 am

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mfjd1948 rural johnson co iowa
05/16/17 1:12 pm

It shows us again that Canadians are much smarter and more empathetic than those who will make fun of this law or criticize it.

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MrWalrus Undergrid
05/16/17 2:02 pm

It seems to fly in the face of Darwinian evolution

TheSpookyGhost paleoconservative
05/16/17 6:30 pm

Exactly. Empathy is society's greatest weakness.

MrWalrus Undergrid
05/17/17 3:18 pm

Why do we need empathy? Doesn't the herd need thinning? Only the strong survive.

RNJen Bay Area USA
05/16/17 12:13 pm

Look guys, people who are addicted, aren't going to benefit from con-college. We need to look at this differently.

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Nemacyst No Lives Matter
05/16/17 12:43 pm

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RNJen Bay Area USA
05/16/17 1:11 pm

Ohk, let your child die because of fear of the establishment. Addicts will never become useful to society. There is never an instance of an addict becoming something that changes the fabric of society for good.

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
05/16/17 1:37 pm

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RNJen Bay Area USA
05/16/17 1:47 pm

Hmmmm, well I am an addict, and my career now is to save lives. I will always addict. If i didn't have the family and supportive systems that I have had in my life, I would be dead. Being addicted is human nature. Placing addicts around criminals and ruining their ability to contribute to society creates chaos. It forces them to use the tools that you gave them, which is to commit crimes to feed an action that is desirable as food to a starving person.

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
05/16/17 1:56 pm

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RNJen Bay Area USA
05/16/17 1:59 pm

Nice troll;)

Carcano Luke 10 19
05/16/17 2:01 pm

"Being addicted is human nature"

I guess being addicted messed up your brain. Seek help.

RNJen Bay Area USA
05/16/17 2:09 pm

Is it not? To parallel Neil de grass Tyson point about addiction.. if addiction wasn't part of our nature, than people would eat a diet of beans, rice, fruit and lettuce, instead of paying remarkably more for variety.

Carcano Luke 10 19
05/16/17 2:11 pm

Oh was that from the drug addict facebook page?

Carcano Luke 10 19
05/16/17 2:13 pm

I figured. I'm sure it feels very good to normalize your character flaws.

RNJen Bay Area USA
05/16/17 2:14 pm

It does, how about yours?

Carcano Luke 10 19
05/16/17 2:18 pm

I'm lazy. I know I shouldn't be. The first step is admitting you have a problem. Problems aren't normal.

RNJen Bay Area USA
05/16/17 2:19 pm

Lazy is incredibly abnormal, you should hide in fear from shaming trolls on the internet

Carcano Luke 10 19
05/16/17 2:21 pm

I can actually admit that there are negative characteristics about myself. You are normalizing addictive behaviors because you don't want to admit that you have negative characteristics.

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
05/16/17 2:22 pm

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RNJen Bay Area USA
05/16/17 2:23 pm

Car... I have character flaws;) addiction is one of many. I suck. I'm a horrible human.

Carcano Luke 10 19
05/16/17 2:24 pm

Nem, you have to understand what she means by "saving lives". You have to understand how these people think. They don't think about "saving lives" directly. She probably answers the phone at the drug addict hotline.

Carcano Luke 10 19
05/16/17 2:25 pm

At least you admit that addiction is a flaw and not "human nature".

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
05/16/17 2:25 pm

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RNJen Bay Area USA
05/16/17 2:28 pm

Car- true, human nature contains zero flaws

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
05/16/17 2:36 pm

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RNJen Bay Area USA
05/16/17 2:45 pm

Neither of you two douche-bag trolls have any other enlightening douchebaggery to bestow on me?! Has the mind numbing nonsense stopped? Can the intellectual conversation begin again? Am I just talking to two bored keyboard warriors in their moms basement who can't decide whether to jerk it with lotion or get creative with a banana peal? Lol only God will know. Until than, thanks for the entertainment

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
05/16/17 2:53 pm

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Louderthebetter
05/16/17 3:03 pm

Being addicted is human nature? Hmmm, I say practice some self control. Perhaps commercialization has made that impossible.

RNJen Bay Area USA
05/16/17 3:03 pm

True, the only harm trolls posses are: will the customer get the burger with the sauces that were requested?!... or should I jump to your idea of, " my career contains zero people with addiction in their history, so society is safe."

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
05/16/17 3:10 pm

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Louderthebetter
05/16/17 3:13 pm

That's actually super funny!!!🤣

RNJen Bay Area USA
05/16/17 3:15 pm

Louder, ask yourself: am I addicted to anything, food, sex, love, work, money, exercise, social media, computers in general, cursing, religion, sh!tting in the morning after coffee, puppy dogs...... ask yourself... if you fall into the abnormal category of no, than you are abnormal. Good day

Louderthebetter
05/16/17 3:19 pm

Wait, shitting in the am after coffee is an addiction? Or is it on the lowest rung of Maslows hierarchy of needs? Just saying Jen, I'm on your side-Take the gloves off🥊

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
05/16/17 3:19 pm

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RNJen Bay Area USA
05/16/17 3:21 pm

I'm going to get your burger right and do and line in the bathroom only so that I can feel dumb enough to answer any of your pathetic, wanna be, philosophical questions. Than I will re-evaluate my life and countertroll for a while to make myself smile. After that, I plan on traveling the world. How about you? Anything grand in the near future?

Louderthebetter
05/16/17 3:21 pm

Further, I question when people say "normal." "Normal" is a range💆🏻

Louderthebetter
05/16/17 3:22 pm

Nem, you've never made me laugh🤣with

RNJen Bay Area USA
05/16/17 3:23 pm

Louder- come on- sh!tting after coffee is nice. You can't disagree

Louderthebetter
05/16/17 3:26 pm

Of course, I'm agreeing with you. But it's NOT an addiction💩like "organic" we've bastardized the word addict.

RNJen Bay Area USA
05/16/17 3:27 pm

Um yes, coffee to cause the poop is addictive. No watering needed

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
05/16/17 4:51 pm

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RNJen Bay Area USA
05/16/17 4:56 pm

I am, you are now my new hero "no lives matter" truly a social justice hero. I can tell by your contradictory

CoffeeNow Caffeinate me baby
05/16/17 5:18 pm

"Wait, s******g in the am after coffee is an addiction?"

I'm addicted as shit

RNJen Bay Area USA
05/16/17 5:20 pm

Yes! Thank you coffee! Lol

Carcano Luke 10 19
05/16/17 5:28 pm

Hahahahaha apparently religion is an addiction. Now you can say you're equal to an old lady who goes to church every Sunday.

RNJen Bay Area USA
05/16/17 5:49 pm

Car- yes-true dat

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
05/16/17 5:50 pm

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RNJen Bay Area USA
05/16/17 5:55 pm

True- you're statement is "no lives matter", so yes, we are all insignificant and all of this is nonsense. Do drugs, go to church, poop after coffee, who cares

RNJen Bay Area USA
05/16/17 6:09 pm

You guys have truly been fun to troll with. I've been a little bored lately, so thanks. Good night:) oh, I'm gonna go get high off my patients meds now while I'm in church cuz I'm a moral-less, poop saving, hazard to society, so don't you worry- you've been correct the entire time. Don't be sad if I don't continue the convo after your witty comeback;) 👍😽

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
05/16/17 6:39 pm

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Zod Above Pugetropolis
05/16/17 11:59 am

Simple possession shouldn't be a crime in the first place, but absolutely.

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CudOfCow Oregon
05/16/17 11:35 am

I love that so many are in favor of this.

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SHIPPY1944 Tn.
05/16/17 10:56 am

The Canuck save the stoners bill, what a bunch of hosers !

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DeathSheep Michigan
05/16/17 11:54 am

Pot is legal there...

DeathSheep Michigan
05/16/17 11:55 am

Also can't overdose on pot.

SHIPPY1944 Tn.
05/16/17 2:10 pm

Naw, the😜stoners, just create traffic congestion on the Canuck streets by driving below the speed limit
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phalnx Ohio
05/16/17 2:11 pm

Eh? What are you talking aboot? They're ALL addicted to drugs up there...the pharmacies made the mistake of shaping pills like hockey pucks.

SHIPPY1944 Tn.
05/16/17 2:12 pm

👍🏻🤣

Amaranth Iowa
05/16/17 10:51 am

This is objectively a good thing, and will save many lives. We need this in America

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Frannyyyy Delaware
05/16/17 10:47 am

Reminds me of how some universities do the same when dealing with alcohol poisoning in students. Now they can call for help without fear of consequences of underage drinking rather than leave them.

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hitchens Ann Arbor, MI
05/16/17 10:51 am

Yep, we have this in Ann Arbor and it's a great rule. Called medical amnesty.

Carcano Luke 10 19
05/16/17 2:03 pm

You're not the one reviving the same idiots every month.

MrWalrus Undergrid
05/16/17 2:04 pm

The best way to deal with this is to not get drunk in the first place.

Frannyyyy Delaware
05/16/17 2:06 pm

I agree with that, but not everyone has self control. I'd rather have someone live to see another day.

hitchens Ann Arbor, MI
05/16/17 2:07 pm

@carcano are you? Because I have a hard time believing a doctor would say something that lacking in empathy

@lovejoy that sounds a lot like the abstinence argument.. you're technically right, but no one is going to stop all young people from drinking, so your institutions need to offer the best way to deal with those that do

Carcano Luke 10 19
05/16/17 2:09 pm

I used to be a firefighter. All I'm saying is that it's easy to say "wow these policies are great" when you can sit in your living room pretending that you did something good, while others have to go out and revive the same addicts every month because they never actually get off drugs.

hitchens Ann Arbor, MI
05/16/17 2:14 pm

If the policy saves lives, then I have no problem saying, from my bedroom, that it's a good policy. In addition, we should be publicly funding addiction treatment centers so that people can get help to end their addictions. Letting people die is not acceptable.

Carcano Luke 10 19
05/16/17 2:16 pm

That is if you can define dying 14 times a year as "life", sure.

Carcano Luke 10 19
05/16/17 2:17 pm

You seem to have all the answers. I wonder why nobody has considered funding treatment centers before.

hitchens Ann Arbor, MI
05/16/17 2:19 pm

You're right, I wonder why, after being made completely obvious over the last 50 years, that no one has actually divested any money from the drug war to be spent on drug treatment centers!

hitchens Ann Arbor, MI
05/16/17 2:20 pm

It's a great question and I really don't know. Probably because of the enormous forces interested in maintaining the status quo

izak81 Indiana
05/16/17 10:43 am

Indiana lifeline law is very similar. If you are underage drinking and someone needs medical attention you don't get in trouble if you call 911. Has saved many lives and is a great idea.

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Cole12 ...
05/16/17 10:12 am

Common sense.

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ConservativeCA Joe Biden is barely alive
05/16/17 10:06 am

Great law. It will save lives.

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BlueOctopus Merica
05/16/17 9:46 am

Good and bad. Not too sure how I feel...

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DeathSheep Michigan
05/16/17 11:55 am

May I ask what you find bad?

BlueOctopus Merica
05/17/17 8:14 am

Less legal problems from those who abuse.

But it can also save lives which is good.

FrankLuntz Fredericksburg, VA
05/16/17 9:34 am

Would the same people support immunity for an unlawful gun possession for those calling 911 to report a shooting?

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Liberty Lets Use Logic
05/16/17 9:30 am

Any prohibition of victimless actions or conditions is a bad thing, so this "exemption" is good in and of itself.

That said, this in practice means that the only way to legally possess whatever it applies to is to overdose on it. So, overall not a good situation, haha.

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TomM
05/16/17 9:29 am

I don't like it. It's a patch to a law which by itself is wrong. It's a feel good solution to avoid the real discussion of why it's still illegal to do drugs.

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cowboy SCOTUS 2020
05/16/17 9:29 am

No. Shouldn't be overdosing on drugs anyway.

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BritneySpears Las Vegas
05/16/17 11:35 am

Stfu cowboy. Nobody's perfect.

cowboy SCOTUS 2020
05/16/17 12:24 pm

Boo hoo snowflake.

cjrocks9102 New York
05/16/17 4:19 pm

Overdosing is a choice though. Don't do vast amounts of drugs, and you won't put your life at risk. It's not a matter of not being perfect.

CutCopy Wedding
05/16/17 5:17 pm

@BritneySpear Lol Britney Spears 😂😂😂

sd123 San Diego
05/16/17 9:21 am

Jeff sessions probably thinks it's a terrible idea

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