Why would I want to save another attempt by ABC to make Tim Allen look good while he just limps to the barn in a desperate attempt to save his already dead career?
The show is as much pro-conservative as Big Bang Theory is pro-nerd (that is to say, not at all). The reason is that, while yes, the characters are mostly conservative, they themselves are usually the punchline. Tim Allen says something and then the audience laughs at his ridiculousness.
On the other hand, if you're looking for a conservative comedy, I would suggest The Great Indoors. Most of the characters in this show are liberal millennials plus Joel McHale who mostly mocks the really stupid stuff they say and do. As a liberal myself, I find this show much more annoying, because it's just 30 minutes of the writers straw manning 20-somethings (that said, it's just a comedy show so it's all good).
I've never seen Last Man Standing or Big Bang Theory. From the name of BBT, I considered that it was liberal, so never watched it.
I find The Great Indoors funny in that it makes fun of all the CRAZY things that Millennial s believe and do. You've got to laugh at them to keep from crying about how messed up they are, expecting to be given everything without working for it, because they got participation trophies for just showing up.
Believe me, I'm not the only one that believes this. There are many Millennials here that are embarrassed to be Millennials!
Other than one minor character, BBT isn't really politically charged in either direction. But yeah, just like The Great Indoors is about laughing at how messed up millennials are, Last Man Standing is about laughing at conservatives. This is why I don't understand why they want to save it so badly.
Za, what you've said is confusing me. From what I understand from conservatives, Last Man Standing is about making fun of liberals. I'm confused, as I've never seen it.
The characters do make fun of liberals. But those comments are played as jokes for the audience. Tim Allen says, "blah blah blah Obama," and the joke is, "look at this idiot who hates Obama." Like I said, it's the reverse of The Great Indoors, where the characters are liberal, but the joke is, "look at these idiot millennials."
BBT has nothing to do with Evolution. It's about nerdy scientists who like nerd culture (comic books, video games, etc).
Za, it's funny how different people can look at the same show and see things totally differently. Could it be possible that you're perceiving it that way because you're liberal, whereas conservatives think the entire show is about making fun of liberals?
Or is it possible that it's doing both--making fun of both liberals and conservatives, being more balanced? I don't know because I've never seen it.
That is possible, yes, however it's not like I can't discern conservative bias, since I posted an example. That said, I think you're right about it just being balanced. There is also a minor character who is liberal who is often the butt of jokes. It think it's fair to say that the show has no agenda and is just showing the political dichotomy.
Actually it's their 12th rated show and third in viewership. Networks don't care how many people watch it if their target demographics(the 18-49 crowd) don't watch it. But I'll sign anyways because I think every show should go out on its own terms.
Source: tvseriesfinale.com/tv-show/abc-tv-show-2016-2017-season-ratings/
Thanks, Mistah. I appreciate your signing it. But answer me this--IF it's based on ratings and especially on that demographic, why are there so many shows rated worse in both areas, but they're not cancelled and Last Man Standing is? Kim, do you have any ideas about that, also?
For example, SHIELD and Quantico, which I consider to be pushing a liberal agenda, are numbers 19 and 21 on the list of that demographic, but they have NOT been cancelled. I wonder why?
There could be many reasons. One its produced and owned by Fox so they might have wanted more money for the rights of the show. Whereas other shows will lower ratings might be fully owned by ABC therefore a lot more profit. Time Allen or some of the other stars may have asked for a pay raise so the return on their investment would have been lower. Maybe they wanted to shuffle their Friday schedule around and had nowhere else to put it since most of the other 30 min comedies were renewed all of which had better ratings. And perhaps all the conspiracy theories are right and it was politically motivated, however it lasted 6 seasons previously so I don't really see it.
No idea abut Quantico, but Agents of Shield is part of the marvel universe so that's probably the only reason it's still around. And don't forget both of those shows are hour long shows so they may not have had enough hour long replacement shows after the other hour long shows were canceled.
Good points, mistah. However, I haven't seen any articles that say why they've cancelled it. They usually do an article stating that the viewership was down or the stars' contracts were up for renegotiation, etc. if that is the case. The fact that they're silent as to the reasoning makes me more suspicious. Plus the fact that this last season, they apparently made fun of HRC and praised DJT, (which is heresy to most liberals and can't be accepted) would make me think that's why they're coming down on them now, as opposed to another season.
I've never seen ANY president treated in the way DJT has been treated by the media, and I think this is a BIG part of it. And ANY actor that says anything nice about DJT is being blacklisted.
The only place it could have gone was in place of "The Mayor", but abc probably fully owns that show and it doesn't have someone with as high of star power as Tim Allen. So basically it's a lot cheaper, and if it pulls in the same ratings/slightly lower as Last Man Standing they will make a lot more money off of it. Now could they have found a place on next years summer schedule? It's possible, but shows during the summer months have far lower ratings so that would mean even less profit than they are already making. But hey, I hope you guys get some kind of closure even if it's a TV movie or something.
Thanks, Mistah! But if it's the 3rd most watched show, why spend all the money to produce new shows to take the place of this one? It goes against the rule, "If it ain't broken, don't fix it!" Lol
That's called shooting yourself in the foot, imho! And now I've seen petitions to boycott ABC over it, so this could cost them BIG TIME if a lot of people stop watching all ABC shows.
Again, viewership doesn't matter if it isn't in the right demographics(18-49). That's where the majority of the advertisement money comes from, and they pay far more for those shows with higher ratings there than a highly viewed but not as highly rated in that demographic. And producing an episode of that new show may very well be a lot cheaper than an episode of Last Man Standing.
I did read a few articles that mentioned that ABC did give a reason for canceling it and that it was because of scheduling conflicts. They decided to no longer air comedies on Friday nights and apparently didn't have a slot to move that show to.
I read that Tim Allen tweeted that he was stunned and blindsided by the decision. Sounds like it had nothing to do with negotiations and they didn't even let the stars know before they announced it. Lends more credence to my POV, imho.
Yes, I just don't know why they would not have discussed that (if it's true) with the stars, to give them a heads up before making a major announcement. At the very least, it's not good management skills. I know that I would not like to find out I'd been fired through an announcement to the world!
Thanks, but I still find it very suspect that it's ranked right behind Modern Family, which is one of the most liberal shows on tv, and yet they cancel the conservative one.
You see, this is not the first time this has happened, and they keep chipping away at conservative shows, getting rid of them, especially when the actors speak out about their views.
If it was the first time, or if this wasn't one of the only conservative shows on tv, it wouldn't be so suspect.
The person who wrote the petition sounds butthurt over his show being canceled lol. I'm sure it was cancelled for ratings and not brining in enough viewers, not for some political reason like he says.
Kim ... your arrogance is showing! Are you suggesting that unless you've heard of something, it can't be popular? Are you suggesting that unless you've heard of something it can't be good?
You take everything way too seriously! It's a tv show, for god's sake! I'm just poking a little fun at the people who are so up in arms over a tv show cancellation. News flash: tv shows are cancelled ALL THE TIME for whatever reason!
Sorry you can't take a little friendly teasing and have to turn it into a character attack 🙄
Kim ... isn't it interesting that you didn't suggest in your original post that you were reading, only now that your inaccurate self-absorbed comments are exposed.
I still stand by my comment that he sounds "butthurt." That's how he comes across.
Yes, I see that the show had good ratings. I didn't know that when I first commented. I just made an assumption. I still don't believe this is a "liberal vs conservative" thing. That's now how tv networks. and capitalism works. Maybe the production costs were too high or contracts ended or the show was not expected to do well next year or they ran out of ideas or whatever. I'm sure the reason was due to money, not politics.
Yes, I have no problem admitting when I'm wrong, unlike you. 😉
I don't watch enough tv to know what shows have been cancelled over the past 10 years. Shows that I have watched that have stopped airing include Monk, House, Lost, Firefly, Merlin, and probably others that I'm just not recalling.
WOW! Didn't expect a convo like this over a tv show. Just so I can make sure I understand the bottom line:
Kim, do you concede that you were wrong? That it is NOT about ratings, but about politics? That maybe the person is butthurt is because there are very few tv shows that are slanted to the right? I can only think of this one and Blue Bloods. Can you see why this might upset people on the right, since we are not given tv shows that agree with our viewpoints, and then the left makes sure that any tv show that does agree with the left gets cancelled? Have you ever noticed that we don't even have any late night comedians?
Imagine if a top rated show that agreed with all your values got cancelled. Wouldn't that upset you, and lead you to believe that it could be because they were very outspoken about certain issues? Or is it ONLY the left that has no tolerance for the other side, to the point that they can't stand for the other side to have a show that lives out their values?
No, like I said, I don't think this has anything to do with politics. I was wrong about the ratings but I do not agree that it was about politics.
I do not wish to further participate in this conversation as Think will just continue to be a jerk about it. I prefer civil conversations. If you'd really like to discuss this, I don't mind discussing it with you over PM, since you're always very respectful even when we disagree. 🙂
Kim ... it's a hoot that you start the conversation with snide self-serving and flat out wrong statements, and I challenge those assertions, and in the "jerk".
MCW, I hadn't thought of Blue Bloods as conservative either, but someone pointed out that just the fact that it treats people of faith with respect and that they have family prayer every week makes it VERY conservative, compared to other shows.
4j, I guess I was looking at it in terms of not leaning too heavy right or left in how the storyline is presented. Often what's right and what's legal are at odds.
Lady ... why is it leftists are so ignorant to the world around them?
Last Man Standing is a great show that depicts healthy family relationships rather than every variation of deviance thought up by otherwise twisted minds. I get how leftists need to validate that deviance, but the rest of us prefer normalcy.
Lady--how could you have missed it? They very plainly said that the President on Designated Survivor was Independent, but running a Democratic presidency. Hookstraten is Republican. He is very clearly fighting for liberal causes every week. However, I enjoy the show because it's a great show.
We would just like ONE tv show that shows how conservatives live their lives and doesn't make fun of us. The only one I can think of now is Blue Bloods, because it shows a Catholic family that prays every week at their family dinner table.
How would YOU like it if EVERY tv show depicted a family like that? Or Christians going to church, living for Christ, worshipping God, talking about abortion being wrong, shoving down your throat that illegal immigrants are killing Americans, being against every thing you believe in? Try to put yourself in that situation and see if you would be upset.
We're fed up with every tv show shoving a liberal agenda down our throats!
I want to watch a TV show that is good. I don't care about politics. If it was political, I wouldn't watch. I want to see a story, not that mess. I'll turn on the news if I want to get pissed off. I hate comedies anyways. Everything is stupid. Modern Family, everyone on there annoys me. Big Bang Theory is too nerdy.
It's easy for you to not care about the politics of shows, lady, because almost all the shows agree with your outlook on life.
But 99% of family shows go against Christian morals. There are even a lot of shows that have been on that actually ATTACK Christians and what we believe. You certainly don't see that with any other religious group.
I find it very disturbing that there is not one single show that I can allow my granddaughters to watch when they're here! So we watch old eps of The Brady Bunch!
I wasn't aware that the Federal Government is involved in this controversy. My understanding, despite the fact that there doesn't seem to be much coverage by the majority media, is that the show has high ratings, the network is cancelling it for ideological reasons.
Steelcity, this is not about the government. It's a petition to get ABC to continue producing it. People have the right to petition anything without it going through the government.
Harry, you are correct. It was one of the very few shows that leans politically right, and Tim Allen has been very vocal about his support of DJT. Apparently, that was brought into the script of the show. The left has to shut down EVERYTHING that doesn't agree with their viewpoint, especially Hollyweird!
Was, I kind of doubt that, since Tim Allen is very conservative and has spoken out in defense of DJT. Apparently, the script brought his support of DJT into the show.
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