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VirtualCongress May 15th, 2017 10:42pm

BertGoldberg (NF-NY) proposes Establish a Senate Act

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Liberty Lets Use Logic
05/16/17 2:25 am

This would have to be a constitutional amendment.

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iceberg124
05/16/17 7:23 am

Already spoke with the speaker and it's being down as a constitutional amendment

MrArcher
05/16/17 7:56 am

then sadly it's not passing

iceberg124
05/16/17 7:59 am

Archer, it is passing. The speaker said he will put it into the constitution already and endorsed the plan.

CollinN
05/16/17 8:35 am

or 70%

i forget which one

CollinN
05/16/17 8:40 am

this changes the whole function of VC

It needs to be a constitutional amendment that get's a 70 or 75% majority.

iceberg124
05/16/17 8:47 am

But what if its proposed in bill form

CollinN
05/16/17 8:48 am

It can't be. It changes the whole function of virtual congress. You can't do that.

CollinN
05/16/17 8:49 am

A country can't change branches of government with a simple majority. It requires changes in the constitution. VC requires 75%.

Liberty Lets Use Logic
05/16/17 9:19 am

As a bill it would be/is not constitutional, and couldn't be done.

hokiejac Decatur, GA
05/15/17 8:35 pm

So senators get two votes? One in congress and one otherwise? How will it be separated from the regular VC account? Will I be able to follow the senate if not a senator? If so how will you keep me from voting? We have enough trouble keeping interest in the main VC... let alone trying to juggle two houses.

iceberg124
05/16/17 4:53 am

There is no way to patrol regular voting. What it will be will be essentially, the regular vote on bills which will be the house, then once a week all the bills that passed the house will have to be signed in a surveymonkey vote once a week by senators, and then it goes to the president.

SouthernLaw Old North State
05/15/17 5:55 pm

I like this, I think we should give it a chance.

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Fank BUILD THAT WALL
05/15/17 5:20 pm

For all of the sceptics out there, just give the Senate bill a chance it could make VC so much more exciting and interesting. If it's not good than we can just amend or repeal it.

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Senate101 San Diego
05/15/17 4:34 pm

I'm a very reluctant yea. I'd like to see if this works, but if it doesn't look right then I'll sponsor a bill repealing it.

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lucaval STL
05/15/17 4:19 pm

Section 2 concerning vetoes urges me to vote Nay.

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iceberg124
05/15/17 5:14 pm

What is the point of a senate if they don't get the according power?

iceberg124
05/15/17 5:15 pm

The override got removed,
You should switch your vote

lucaval STL
05/15/17 8:12 pm

Since the amendment will pass, I'll vote yea

jdjdjsjsjsjdjtu
05/15/17 4:18 pm

liberals would be stupid to vote for this. (Section 2)

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iceberg124
05/15/17 5:15 pm

Are you afraid of a competitive congress?

ranger13 Texas
05/15/17 4:16 pm

I encourage everyone to vote yea. This bill covers a lot, but it is just the first phase in creating the senate.

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CollinN
05/15/17 4:00 pm

Section 2 is a nay for me.

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iceberg124
05/15/17 4:01 pm

If your party is the majority of senators then you will have nothing to worry about. It makes it more realistic.

CajunTrooper Louisiana State Trooper
05/15/17 4:03 pm

Same here. Your bill to create the senate majority leader bill failed so you're gonna propose another one? @BertGoldberg

iceberg124
05/15/17 4:04 pm

Once the senate passes we can do the majority leader after watching how it plays out. The leader had to much power in the first bill. The amount of senators is subject to change which got cut off in section 1

ranger13 Texas
05/15/17 4:14 pm

So would you agree to the senate bill if we remove the senate majority leader?

iceberg124
05/15/17 4:16 pm

It's already removed since it failed. But the senate gets the same veto powers

iceberg124
05/15/17 4:16 pm

Or it gets it to 50% for veto, which only would happen if the president fails to maintain the senate

ranger13 Texas
05/15/17 4:19 pm

I think the senate veto override should be at 2/3 just like the real senate. Would everyone agree to that.

iceberg124
05/15/17 4:22 pm

The thing is that in the VC it's just 50. When the president Veto's it is automatically the same as 2 houses vetoing by making it 67. Make it to 50 if the senate disagrees will make it essentially how it works in real life; the the pres will still be able to have power of a veto. @collinmatthew and @cajuntrooper should vote yes, especially since apparently the pres won't be running for reelection, why not expand the VC congressmen?

ranger13 Texas
05/15/17 4:22 pm

I think our goal should be to first and primarily create the senate. We can deal with the majority leader and other specifics later.

ranger13 Texas
05/15/17 4:26 pm

Yes the override would be the same at 67%. The difference is that the senate consist of members based on party size which makes the use of parties more important. That's where the senate is special compared to the congress. The senate should not need to have a lower veto override level.

ranger13 Texas
05/15/17 4:27 pm

Is it possible to make an amendment to the current bill removing the senate majority leader and making the veto override level 67%?

johonmilla Monroe, nc
05/15/17 3:58 pm

ITS FINALLY HERE!! YEAAAA!!

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johonmilla Monroe, nc
05/15/17 4:11 pm

I don't agree with section 2 though, I don't think the veto override should be 50%. Anywhere 60-67% is needed. But that's a small detail that can be ammended later. I urge people to vote yes to begin a new era in VC!

ranger13 Texas
05/15/17 5:48 pm

I think my amendment moved the veto up to 67%.

VirtualCongress Speaker NDAmerican
05/15/17 3:44 pm

1. A senate will be established. The senate will consist of 20 congressmen who will run for office during the midterms (halfway through the presidents term) and will run for 4 months. The initial 20 will initially be selected via rate of Party Membership after an official census is conducted in the VC and congressmen interested will take part in an election within their party, otherwise the Party Leaders or collective party may select senators. Party membership must be declared in the senate, Independents must declare allegiance to Independent coalition, not group all independents together.
The choice on whether to determine the initial and continuing 20 senators is subject to change after we see the census and state membership. In the case that there is a sizable amount of congressmen from select states/regions they may run in an election to determine the initial 20. If its all over the map we will just go by party

VirtualCongress Speaker NDAmerican
05/15/17 3:44 pm

2. After a bill passes congress, senators will get the bill before it hits the presidents desk. The senate must pass the bill via majority for it to keep going, if a senate majority leader is chosen they may act as the tie breaker. If the president veto's a bill the senate may vote on the veto and eliminate the additional 17% required in a house bill, making the house only have to get 50% to override the presidents veto.

3. The senate will vote on a once a week basis on the bills and if multiple bills can be posted. The senators names, party, and state will be posted on the VC website. If the Senate Majority leader gets passed they will make weekly addresses to the senators. Only senators can vote and if there is suspicions their vote will have to be confirmed by the speaker. The senate votes are required to be conducted on SurveyMonkey. The Senate will operate through the regular VC account. It can not be enforced whether or not senators vote in the house so it is acknowledged the

VirtualCongress Speaker NDAmerican
05/15/17 3:46 pm

-weekly addresses to the senate and congress. The senate will vote on SurveyMonkey only and if there is suspected fraud the speaker will be responsible for confirming their vote and checking the IP. The Senate will operate only the VC account similarly to how the Supreme Court works. Weekly the Bills which passed will be posted on Survey Monkey for the senate

iceberg124
05/15/17 3:48 pm

The part that got cut off said it can go by regions and if the census determines significantly lower we can have 8-20 senators total instead of 20