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gluxford1 May 15th, 2017 9:50pm

Have you grown disillusioned and dissatisfied with both political parties?

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commonman1 Peace
05/16/17 4:20 pm

Politicians have always been corrupt and always will be. It is impossible to change either party.

SticksandStones Proud Prude
05/16/17 2:34 pm

Yes. A few years back. I'm a registered independent.

ozzy
05/16/17 1:06 pm

No, just the democrats

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ProudCentrist Chicago, Illinois
05/16/17 1:00 pm

They're both full of idiots who think they're better than everyone else.

outlaw393 Trump 2020
05/16/17 1:21 am

Yes, one reason I am a communist

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theNobamist Silicon Valley
05/15/17 11:14 pm

Yes and that's why I voted Trump! πŸ‘πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡Έ

SticksandStones Proud Prude
05/16/17 2:33 pm

What party is he a part of, exactly?

Izzynius
05/15/17 10:21 pm

I want to see Green Party and Libertarians grow and be more influential.

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jstahl Build that wall
05/15/17 11:01 pm

I keep saying that if a third party couldn't gain any traction during this past election, when we had 2 candidates that were so despised, then they never will.

PlumumpkinOgre City Beautiful, Sunshine
05/15/17 6:47 pm

Both parties are awful. Partisanship is the sole source for the failings of this country. Imagine if people were more concerned with the American people rather than those who fall under their party affiliation.

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Zod Above Pugetropolis
05/15/17 6:36 pm

Yes, but the one WAAAAYYY more than the other. I'm about done with GOPerticians whining about being "troubled" or "concerned" every day by the latest dumbassery de jour by their troll doll in chief, while voting to support said "troubling" and "concerning" dumbassery 98% of the time.

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NKarta Please excuse my sanity
05/15/17 6:01 pm

Yeah. Last night. A close relative felt sick but had to wait to get healthcare b/c their plan didnt cover urgent care. I thought "thanks obama" then realized republicans didnt do shit to help either.

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jstahl Build that wall
05/15/17 5:00 pm

Neither party stands for smaller government anymore. I'd vote 3rd party, but I am SO anti-Democrat that I hold my nose and vote Republican most of the time. Not that it matters in this liberal state anyway.

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gluxford1 Arizona
05/15/17 5:12 pm

You sound similar to most Arizonans. Independents outnumber both Republicans and Democrats in the Grand Canyon State. However, most political independents in Arizona skew heavily to the right because most of them are disillusioned former Republicans who think that the party has become too moderate and too pro-government. Most of these independents are hardcore conservatives who hold their nose and vote Republican, which is why the GOP still dominates Arizona politics at both the state and federal levels.

sea California
05/15/17 9:15 pm

Same. The republicans are idiots, but I gotta pick the lesser of the 2 evils.

followingsea Illinois is
05/15/17 4:27 pm

They've deteriorated past funny : (

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orgblu10 Shamerica
05/15/17 3:44 pm

I "grew" disenchanted with them a long time ago!

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CoffeeNow Fiery but peaceful rioter
05/15/17 3:43 pm

Yes, but unlike many people I actually vote 3rd party

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gluxford1 Arizona
05/15/17 3:45 pm

Who did you vote for in 2016?

CoffeeNow Fiery but peaceful rioter
05/15/17 3:46 pm

Gary Johnson...even though I wasn't enamored with everything about him. He was still the best candidate running

Ron Paul in 2012

gluxford1 Arizona
05/15/17 3:48 pm

Would you consider voting Trump in 2020?

CoffeeNow Fiery but peaceful rioter
05/15/17 3:50 pm

I'd consider anyone. But as things are going I don't see myself supporting him in 2020 either. But I always keep an open mind

gluxford1 Arizona
05/15/17 3:54 pm

Unless Trump stops trying to be George W. Bush 2.0, I probably won't vote for him in 2020 either. He needs to move back towards the nationalism and populism that got him elected in order for him to win my vote back in the next election cycle.

sea California
05/15/17 9:16 pm

Just remember that the Supreme Court would be leftist right now if Hillary had won.

gluxford1 Arizona
05/15/17 9:39 pm

I'm very aware of that fact.

abusara i drink and i know things
05/15/17 3:38 pm

Yes, over 20 years ago.

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Harry3603 Tampa Bay Florida.
05/15/17 3:25 pm

No, just the Democrats, but right now I am concerned about the RINOS and their tendency to jump ship!

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gluxford1 Arizona
05/15/17 3:38 pm

RINOs are still controlling the party right now.

Harry3603 Tampa Bay Florida.
05/15/17 5:08 pm

McCain never has actually been a Republican.

Senate101 San Diego
05/15/17 3:12 pm

To an extent.

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presrvd Phoenix
05/15/17 3:06 pm

Replace 'both' with 'all'.

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gluxford1 Arizona
05/15/17 2:59 pm

I am extremely dissatisfied with both parties, which is why I will now switch my SOH party identification to Independent. The GOP is still controlled by Paul Ryan and the neocons (whom I despise) and the Democrats are Allinsky-worshipping, anti-American, leftist zealots. I voted for Trump because I viewed him and his ideology as a mix between the paleoconservatism and nationalist populism that I have long wanted the GOP to move towards, but the neocons in D.C. are influencing him enough to the point where I'm starting to feel more and more betrayed by his administration (especially on immigration, healthcare, trade, and foreign policy). I will still remain a registered Republican outside of SOH so that I can still be eligible to vote in the primaries, but at this point, my style of conservatism is not aligned with the interests of the GOP. I'm out.

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voc I am...what I am
05/15/17 8:04 pm

Trump just said a bunch of things people like you wanted to hear so he could get elected. He used a ton of "buzz phrases" to con people into voting for him. If someone has to say "believe me" as often as he does to get you to believe him, he's lying. That's an old used car salesman tactic. Sorry you're frustrated with the parties. I have been for a long time. They're only there to look out for themselves, not the people they're suppose to represent.

gluxford1 Arizona
05/15/17 9:19 pm

I have not made a final verdict on Trump yet. I'm still willing to give him more time because I realize that it is still very early on in his presidency. However, I will say that he is not off to a very good start, at least in my opinion. Only time will tell if things start to change for the better over the next 3 years. For me though, I'll probably know by this time next year whether or not I will vote for Trump again. If he actually does end up fulfilling his key campaign promises, then I'll vote for him again in 2020. If he ends up being another Bush-style establishment neocon, then I will either vote third party or not vote at all, depending on my options.

xxxceo Justice for All
05/15/17 2:55 pm

Republicans are still spineless and Democrats are still crybabies. I don't like either side.

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gluxford1 Arizona
05/15/17 2:59 pm

Agreed. See my comment above.

xxxceo Justice for All
05/15/17 3:03 pm

I feel the same way. Maybe not as extreme, but Ryan & Co. certainly don't represent me.

gluxford1 Arizona
05/15/17 3:06 pm

I believe you. Ryan and the rest of the GOP establishment don't represent most conservative Americans or Americans in general.

devspi Liberal Republican
05/15/17 2:51 pm

Yep. Went from hardcore Republican to independent within the span of a year

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gluxford1 Arizona
05/15/17 3:01 pm

I'm still a hardcore conservative, but I no longer see myself as a Republican.

Izzynius
05/15/17 3:24 pm

gluxford, are you Independent on Show of Hands now?

ProudAmerican45 North Joisey
05/15/17 3:26 pm

We should all send a brick..I think it would be an awesome message..

gluxford1 Arizona
05/15/17 3:37 pm

Yes, I am an Independent on SOH now. The only reason why I'm not one in Arizona is because this state is a closed primary state, which means you can't vote in political primaries unless you are registered with one of the two major parties. If Arizona eventually becomes an open primary state, I would switch my registration to Independent in a heartbeat.

ProudAmerican45 North Joisey
05/15/17 3:46 pm

McCain needs to go bye bye in your state..

gluxford1 Arizona
05/15/17 3:47 pm

I agree. Jeff Flake needs to go too.