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Show Of Hands July 20th, 2013 12:55am

Do you think the Zimmerman trial was an "open and shut case" either way, or was it more complex than that?

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WastelandDan2 The wastes of NW Florida
07/24/13 4:14 pm

Omg, the map :D

I say simple, laws and evidence trump feelings and accusations any day in my book.

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burbz8
07/22/13 10:52 pm

There is too much involved in this case. Racism, politics, social class, murder, equality... I feel like everyone is twisting and turning the real story to create hysteria and hype; and to have it serve there own selfish political agenda. What really happened?

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EarlyBird Portland
07/22/13 6:01 pm

This was a simple case that was made complex by the president.

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sydwel
07/22/13 11:56 am

Technically he was allowed to shoot in self defense, but Zimmerman was an idiot for playing cop and provoking an attack. To me Zimmerman is legally innocent, but is to blame for the incident.

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duckhead96 Odessa Texas
07/22/13 2:50 pm

If you listen to the police recordings, the operators did not actually say "do not follow him", until the very very end. The operators were actually letting him/asking him if he was still following Martin for quite a while..

ceej Michigan
07/22/13 6:14 am

Does following someone quality as confronting them? Does it qualify as initiating attack? Seems that if we answer yes, we are inviting more violence. I would hate to be misinterpreted as "following" and then be attacked.

ceej Michigan
07/22/13 6:16 am

I have been in the position of the followed - very creepy - but didn't feel the right to initiate violence.

chemist2016
07/22/13 5:53 am

I believe this was about racial profiling anyways. In a country that is suppose to be brought up on the ideal that all men are created equal what purpose does racial statistics play in this country. Why can't we all just be American and that's it.

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centexken Republic of Texas
07/22/13 2:59 am

Open and shut case except Obama and Holder are trying to start a race war.

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EarlyBird Portland
07/22/13 5:58 pm

Sure seems like it.

iDebbie Florida
07/21/13 7:14 pm

Just Zimmerman and God know what happen!

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demchair Salem, VA
07/21/13 5:37 pm

Open and shut. Trayvon had a right to stand his ground against a man who was stalking him for no apparent reason. When 911 told Zmrmn not to pursue the boy he should have listened. He's guilty of 2nd degree murder.

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dlaw4570
07/21/13 6:16 pm

Open and shut. Zimmerman had the right to stand his ground when assaulted by another person. Innocent!

Captainbstring Biden is a Clown
07/21/13 10:16 pm

Demchair: you are blatantly lying and you know it.

demchair Salem, VA
07/22/13 2:03 am

So even though the 17 yr old boy didnt start the conflict (Zimmerman followed and approached him), and even though he had as much right as anybody to be where they were, he was supposed to do whatever Zimmerman told him to do? Trayvon had no rights?

demchair Salem, VA
07/22/13 2:08 am

Even though police told Zman not to follow and engage. Even through he IGNORED these instructions and confronted the boy in a dark area, probably scaring the shit out of the poor kid, Trayvon had no right to defend himself? Put yourself in his place!

demchair Salem, VA
07/22/13 2:12 am

Zimmerman started the unwarranted altercation without consent of the authorities. Undoubtedly Trayvon was frightened by this man who was stalking him in the dark and approached him suddenly and with who knows what kind of attitude.

demchair Salem, VA
07/22/13 2:19 am

If Trayvon had of been of age and had a gun, would it of been ok to shoot Zimmerman for attempting to apprehend him for no reason? Trayvon was 100% INNOCENT. Zimmerman started a conflict against the orders of the police, then he killed a child.

demchair Salem, VA
07/22/13 2:20 am

In cold blood. With no remorse.

anchovy nc
07/22/13 5:39 am

hmmm....and who made first bodily contact? It's not about the race. ..or wasn't until our political leaders played with it. They know what they're doing....stirring...and NOTHING good will come of that

thebob Medford Oregon
07/21/13 10:23 am

The "Stand your ground" law was too much to overcome.

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jimmyjelly BFE, PA
07/21/13 8:10 am

History is written by the survivors!
Two people know what happened that night.
One of them is dead.

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Captainbstring Biden is a Clown
07/21/13 10:18 pm

And we know what kind of thug the dead one was so who should we believe? The kinda strange latino or the dead thug? The jury has spoken. Get over it

captainrcm
07/21/13 7:03 am

According to the evidence presented in court from both sides...Martin was the only one who committed a crime that night, by definition of law. The Jury got it right!

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MericaRules
07/21/13 6:58 am

Complex just because no real eyewitness. Legally though it was simple for the same reason. Too much reasonable doubt.

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ScrewU Gone
07/21/13 7:26 am

There were two eyewitnesses and several more earwitnesses. This was not a difficult case at all.

whatever FL
07/21/13 5:38 am

At least we know Batman won't have anything legal to worry about now.

pinballxpert
07/21/13 2:06 am

Look at us... Mass media has us arguing over this one trial, simply so we could be distracted from Bradley Manning's.

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ScrewU Gone
07/21/13 7:27 am

Another open and shut case...

Captainbstring Biden is a Clown
07/20/13 9:31 pm

Man approaches kid to see why he is in his neighborhood because he is part of neighborhood watch. Thug boy perceives it as a challenge to his thugness. Man loses sight of kid and is jumped by kid who proceeds to pound him from on top of him MMA......

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Captainbstring Biden is a Clown
07/20/13 9:34 pm

...style pounding his head into the pavement. Thug boy states "You're going to die tonight." To the man, man pulls gun and in the struggle thug boy gets shot. Why couldn't thug boy simply have gone home or explained why he was there? Very Simple.

polarized Tennessee
07/20/13 7:43 pm

Man approaches kid and shoots kid dead. Simple open and shut case right?

jaymc WA
07/20/13 8:19 pm

You forgot the middle part.

Captainbstring Biden is a Clown
07/20/13 9:21 pm

You also forgot to tell the whole story.... You know... THE TRUTH.... You won't be allowed to conveniently forget that thug boy couldn't just let it go and go to his dads. His thug culture of confrontation for the slightest perceived infraction is...

Captainbstring Biden is a Clown
07/20/13 9:24 pm

...what killed him. Had he not decided to BELLIGERENTLY retaliate for what he PERCEIVED was a challenge to his boyhood he would still be alive. NOT GUILTY. GET OVER IT

Injectable Mojave Mo Problems
07/20/13 5:49 pm

Simple when you take into account Floridas stand your ground law. Its similar to "OH MY GOD, ITS COMMING RIGHT FOR US!" Stupid law. People feel scared all the time, its no excuse to shoot someone.

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krbeck
07/20/13 6:25 pm

SYG was NEVER a defense. Your ignorance in such an imporant case is very offensive. Get back on your surf board and shut up until you have a clue!

welsh1980 Memphis
07/20/13 7:02 pm

Actually the Law might need tweaking, but it isn't stupid. Imagine you have a spouse and/or children and their lives were in danger. Would you not want the right to protect them and yourself? I agree that it needs more polish, but not demolished.

ladyniner81 no hope for humanity
07/21/13 7:25 am

It is a pretty good law, but the @#$! stupid people who abuse it or are stupid and take things into their own hands (ala Zimmerman) ruin it for the ones who use it for what it's supposed to be; defending yourself when your life is being threatened. Remember that.

ladyniner81 no hope for humanity
07/21/13 7:27 am

it needs tweaking to avoid another Trayvon Martin tragedy

ScrewU Gone
07/21/13 7:29 am

STG had nothing to do with Martin's death, it wasn't even brought up at trial. The law is fine, it's unsicialized little thugs who think they can beat people up at will that need to be "tweaked."

valeriejo ramble on
07/20/13 5:43 pm

Whichever you way you look at it, Zimmerman initiated the confrontation. He stalked a young man, and continued to follow him even after being given orders to stop. When that young man turned to defend himself, Zimmerman killed him. However..

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valeriejo ramble on
07/20/13 5:44 pm

.. there is no doubt in my mind that had Zimmerman been the one killed then Trayvon would have been put in jail for a very long time. INJUSTICE at its finest.

krbeck
07/20/13 6:28 pm

Val... You are ignorant. Go back to sleep.

krbeck
07/20/13 6:47 pm

Your right. Had Trayvon jumped GZ, beat him to near death, TM would be facing charges. TM, attacking someone, beating them to submission, and then........ "Creepy ass cracker has a gu???!" Game changer! Thankfully!

welsh1980 Memphis
07/20/13 7:06 pm

You are getting your ass beat and you have a gun. Are you going to say " I deserve it and this beating might not kill me?" Probably not. If it was Trayvon getting beat and shot Zimmerman then I would have been on Trayvon's side.

run100wyo wide open WY
07/20/13 7:35 pm

Way to make stuff up. There is this little thing called EVIDENCE val and the prosecution didn't have any to prove Martin was being stalked. But there is evidence that Martin was the aggressor.

Captainbstring Biden is a Clown
07/20/13 9:38 pm

Yes GZ initiated the incident. Because he was on neighborhood watch! Thug boy could have just said he was visiting his dad or after losing GZ simply gone home. The thug confrontation mentality is what killed TM. Self inflicted.

valeriejo ramble on
07/21/13 11:38 am

I don't understand how you people can approve of a 29 year old man killing a 17 year old boy who was not threatening anyone or breaking any laws. And you call me ignorant?

Captainbstring Biden is a Clown
07/21/13 10:23 pm

It was not that simple val and you know it. You are CONVENIENTLY leaving out a lot of information. The jury said not guilty so it is NOT GUILTY. YOU will not change it and people are not going to allow you to twist it. Trevon was a thug.

valeriejo ramble on
07/22/13 4:29 am

So since he was a thug he deserved it?? He was asking for it? Really? I'm not saying he was a perfect angel but there are plenty of kids these days who act and dress the same way he does.. And they're not all black.

valeriejo ramble on
07/22/13 4:32 am

If this was your son I bet you'd feel a little different. Call it justice all you want but saying theres no evidence is the same as saying there wasn't enough evidence in the Casey Anthony case or OJ.. We still all know they belong in prison.

valeriejo ramble on
07/22/13 4:34 am

And for the record I'm not trying to change the outcome of the trial I feel the jury followed the law and you're right according to the laws in FL and the evidence presented zimmerman is innocent. It's the law that needs to change not the jurors.

theNobamist Silicon Valley
07/20/13 5:42 pm

Obama HAS NO RESPECT FOR LATINO/Hispanics!!! Look: they are "gun-loving white people" when a black kid is killed, but they're o-so different from the old-whiteys when pushing for illegals' amnesty. This shows you Obama's thinking! Divide & use.

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Captainbstring Biden is a Clown
07/21/13 10:24 pm

What do you expect of our novice president? The man is a disaster.

theNobamist Silicon Valley
07/20/13 5:39 pm

Head being hit on sidewalk. Boom.
Everything else is hypothesis. "What if Z didn't follow T?"What if T didn't go though a neighborhood he didn't live in?" "What if Obama and Sharpton and Jackson and Holder weren't trying to raise riots?"

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GrandmaALiCE For a better 2021
07/20/13 3:13 pm

(1) I'm tired of hearing about this case.

(2) We don't know (and will never know) what happened. That's why there was reasonable doubt.

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ScrewU Gone
07/20/13 5:18 pm

We know in excruciating detail what happened. You don't shoot and kill someone, then walk on a claim of self defense without proving it.

mojorisin Missouri
07/20/13 5:45 pm

You don't have to prove it was self defense. They have to prove it wasn't. Laws!!!

GrandmaALiCE For a better 2021
07/20/13 9:29 pm

No, we really don't. One prime witness is dead; the other did not testify. A neighbor testified, claiming to have seen part of what happened - out a window, on a rainy night. Two mothers listened to a scream on 911. Both said, "That's my son."

GrandmaALiCE For a better 2021
07/20/13 9:30 pm

I'm not even taking a side. I'm just saying, we will never know the whole story.

ScrewU Gone
07/21/13 7:33 am

Self defense is an "affirmative defense." It has to be proven. The forensic evidence backed up Zimmerman's story completely. The injuries, blood splatter, 911 calls all line up to support just one account. Educate yourselves.

jimmyjelly BFE, PA
07/21/13 8:13 am

Screw.
Two people know what happened that night.
Two.
One of them is dead.
History is written by the survivors!!

fernando1999 Texas
07/20/13 2:57 pm

Come on people. Move on. Im tired of hearing about this case. George zimmerman this trayvon martin that.... MOVE ON. A jury has spoken. We all know the verdict.

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gvangijs5
07/20/13 12:19 pm

question: why does it seem like we want to either paint GZ as a murderer or a hero? the first, I get, but does anyone seriously think he did something great? unfortunate and under the circumstances, justifiable, I could see as an argument. but where are we that people are cheering this guy on?

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krbeck
07/20/13 12:36 pm

I cheer the verdict, not GZ. I try to avoid dangerous situations but we all may have to defend ourselves at some point. Most GZ critics would have acted the same way in that situation. Im happy the jury recognized GZ's actions as self defense.

camigirl
07/20/13 12:37 pm

Exactly! I don't get it either. Many people on this app have said they're grateful Zimmerman got a thug like Trayvon off the streets, so it's one less kid causing trouble. But I cannot even begin to address the stupidity in statements like that.

arnmt
07/20/13 12:17 pm

The law is clear. Folks are trying to throw the kitchen sink at it. Courts are for matters of law. Leave it be.

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krbeck
07/20/13 6:02 pm

Il, at first, you had my respect and curiosity. I'm willing to talk confidentially and debate respectfully. But you seem to want to interject emotion above facts. I know racism exists. On all sides. Can you admit that?

cohutch308 Colorado
07/20/13 12:05 pm

move on. the law has spoken. this is not a race issue.

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li11001
07/20/13 1:03 pm

Correct, the shooting was not a direct result of racism.GZ did not fire that shot b/c Trayvon was black.However, we can look at WHY he was followed and WHY the shooting of a black young man causes such emotions.Racism is not dead;it has just changed

krbeck
07/20/13 1:08 pm

Li, please explain how you think racism has changed.

camigirl
07/20/13 1:11 pm

Li, totally agree with you! That's what many people are missing.

li11001
07/20/13 1:17 pm

We are still stuck in the notion that racism is 1960's Selma, AL. It is no longer separate but equal and public lynchings, but more insidious and veiled attacks like changes to the voting rights act, stop-and-frisk, and unequal school funding.

krbeck
07/20/13 1:28 pm

I also agree racism has changed, and the victim base now includes everyone! How is the voting rights act racist? What if you could send your child to any school through a voucher program. Would you support?

li11001
07/20/13 1:39 pm

The voting rights act fought AGAINST racism by making it harder for voting districts to pull stunts meant to hurts minority turn-out. As for vouchers, why should we even need them if we find schools equally? Vouchers actually fuel white flight

krbeck
07/20/13 1:51 pm

Li, student performance is not always directly related to district funding. That being said, if your child goes to school A, which is terrible, and school B across town is great. Each school draws 1000 / day in tax money per student

krbeck
07/20/13 1:52 pm

Wouldn't you want to take that 1000 a day and your child to school B? Or to a private school down the street? Or do you think it's ok to lock you into school A?

krbeck
07/20/13 1:59 pm

From a legal perspective, racism and discrimination has turned 180 degrees. White males are now the most victimized by legal discrimination.

li11001
07/20/13 3:23 pm

Krbeck, you DO NOT get to claim discrimination for being white. You DO NOT get to co-op the racism blacks have experienced for hundreds of years for yourself. What YOU perceive as reverse racism is actually equality.

li11001
07/20/13 3:25 pm

As for school funding, do not tell me it is equal. I have taught public school for 15 years and know and have experienced that it is not true. Vouchers only serve to separate social and economic classes. Why not try to make weak schools stronger?

krbeck
07/20/13 3:31 pm

Sorry il. You do NOT get to pick your own facts. From a legal perspective, a white male is the most discriminated against person in this country. I don't care if you don't like hearing that, but it is the truth.

krbeck
07/20/13 3:34 pm

And I never said I was white. But if I was, why can't I claim discrimination based on the laws of today? Another point, today's white youth are not responsible for past racism. Why are they paying for it by racist legislation?

krbeck
07/20/13 3:39 pm

As for school funding, I did NOT claim it was equal. I provided a hypothetical situation. As a parent, do you want the freedom to make portable the tax money made available for each student? It's simple. ( except for unionized teachers )

li11001
07/20/13 4:08 pm

Krbeck, the only reason you claim these things are not fact is because you refuse to face up to the fact that the system is still set up to favor whites.

li11001
07/20/13 4:10 pm

Legally, blacks are arrested and incarcerated at far higher rates and prosecution continues to be harsher for blacks. Why? New voting laws being pushed are show to disproportionately hamper minorities. Programs that help minorities are being cut

li11001
07/20/13 4:12 pm

You cannot compare your position of relative power to those who have been denied power for generations. You still hold more sway and power. Come to terms with it and begin to deal with it instead of hiding behind the plight of others.

krbeck
07/20/13 4:13 pm

Show me some proof? I would like for you to point to laws like affirmative action, that discriminate against blacks. Please educate me. Also, I really hope an educated teacher will not claim proving your citizenship status equals censorship!

krbeck
07/20/13 4:16 pm

Il, why do you assume I'm white? Your wanting to punish today's generations for sins of past generations. If you adhere to that model, you realize what race was the biggest perpetrator of racism, don't you? Who were the sellers? Uncomfortable!

krbeck
07/20/13 4:19 pm

Il, as far as profiling.... Sure, it happens. But only democrat Bloomberg with his stop and frisk BS advocates that on a large scale. I'm talking LEGAL means.

li11001
07/20/13 5:07 pm

Affirmative action was put in place to address qualified applicants being denied jobs and college admission due solely to race. Voter ID laws adversely impact minorities because more minorities do not have IDs due to access to those offices.

li11001
07/20/13 5:09 pm

Oh and how do you explain redrawing voting district lines to limit minority voting power in soUthern states? And limiting early voting that is used predominantly by minorities?

li11001
07/20/13 5:13 pm

Krbeck, your stance exposes you as white. The lack of understanding of the things minorities deal with solidifies this. Your power as the "dominate race" is threatened and, therefore, you lash out.

krbeck
07/20/13 5:24 pm

Il, your stance exposes you as not white! Two can play that game. And affirmative racism discriminates against those who are targeted. Right now, that is whites. You have no clue what ethnicity I am, but liberals can invent new ethnicities.

krbeck
07/20/13 5:27 pm

Il, your assuming my stance exposes my ethnicity. YOU ARE PROFILING ME! I'm being discriminated against! IF you are a teacher.......... Plese do society a favor.... Retire!!!!!! Get out!

li11001
07/20/13 5:36 pm

So you don't like profiling... But it seems to me you are ok with others being profiled. It doesn't happen just in NYC. It happens across the nation. Ever hear of Sheriff Joe Arpio? Drug tests for welfare recipients? Profiling.

krbeck
07/20/13 5:39 pm

Il, if you are a teacher on the public payroll....... Please be aware. I will pray that your .....drainage...... Is washed away quickly with the next storm. You are doing society A disservice. Get a real job!

krbeck
07/20/13 5:40 pm

Our kids..... Youth..... Deserve a better start!

li11001
07/20/13 5:40 pm

Wait... Affirmative racism? Holy cow, watch Fox News much? If the current power structure is threatened, it must be bad. We can't give minorities any power or they will just go wild with it. Come on... You can't be that myopic.

li11001
07/20/13 5:43 pm

Yep krbeck, it is my job to show students that people can be good. It is my job to show them ways to overcome the yokes that society has put on them. It is my job to help students think at deeper levels, to be empathetic, and thing beyond themselves

krbeck
07/20/13 5:46 pm

IL, you are so full of it. You are a racism inventor. Do you work for MSNBC? If you want to talk c I'm a polite person but would love to talk to you via voice. I know that's risky here, but if you want a true debate,?????

li11001
07/20/13 5:49 pm

Oh krbeck, please don't pray for me. I want no blessing from a god that would support such selfish teachings as you profess. My God is far more welcoming and believes in the worth of all people.

li11001
07/20/13 5:55 pm

No, krbeck, a debate with one such as you is pointless. Talking to a wall is not productive. I do hope you have found this all enjoyable and that someday you will begin to address some of these issues. I think no ill of you, but hope you stay in KY!

krbeck
07/20/13 6:07 pm

Il, do you support a God of the Bible that is steady or a God of the magic 8 ball that can equal anything? Thi s is an important question, and I don't claim to be a GOD expert. Want to know your stance

krbeck
07/20/13 6:11 pm

Il, plant your flag. I planted mine. Everyone on SOH has the opp to target me. Fire away. Don't be wishy washy! State your opinion and try to support it or don't state an opinion.

krbeck
07/20/13 6:16 pm

Whoa. Current power structure???? Who was that at 8:40pm tonight?

krbeck
07/20/13 6:23 pm

Il, you are an Obama apologist. Me??? I want better for minorities. I want us to excel far past the lines jj or as(s) set for us. I refuse to capitalize their names!

Apex swimming in the sky
07/20/13 11:14 pm

people die and get killed everyday. we all got a number. thats faith. life is a gamble. dont think anyone is special. if its your time you gotta go

krbeck
07/20/13 11:18 am

The fact that the local law enforcement was not going to press charges, and the jury quickly found Not Guilty, says this was open and shut, self defense case.

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sainttoad
07/20/13 11:33 am

It's much more complicated than that.

krbeck
07/20/13 11:38 am

The evidence, and the jury disagrees with you. It was open and shut.

Complications came about once the real racist chimed in, created a new ethnicity, and tried to turn it into something it wasn't.

camigirl
07/20/13 12:40 pm

It was complicated from the start. There were absolutely no witnesses who were confident in what they saw, and the other person involved is not even alive to say how they were feeling. Sounds complex to me...

krbeck
07/20/13 12:49 pm

Lack of evidence against GZ does not equal complicated. Lack of evidence is why local law enforcement wasn't going to bring charges. Self defense haters find it complicated because they try to invent something from nothing. THAT is complicated!

camigirl
07/20/13 12:53 pm

You really think lack of evidence don't make cases complicated? Do you watch any cases? That aspect makes ALL cases complicated. Especially in this one, the prosecution and defense had to reach for evidence because there was hardly any.

krbeck
07/20/13 12:57 pm

Then why bring it to trial? The state had to prove, BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT, that GZ was guilty. You admit they had no evidence. Why did they do it?

camigirl
07/20/13 1:02 pm

I don't know, I'm not the prosecution. I certainly wouldn't have gone for second degree if I was. But someone died, you should still bring it to trial. And I said neither side had very solid evidence.

krbeck
07/20/13 1:07 pm

Why not bring you to trial for this then? Or me, or the neighbor or anyone else. If evidence isn't needed to drag someone to court and ruin their lives then your asking for witch hunts.

camigirl
07/20/13 1:10 pm

You clearly are not capable of reading my replies thoroughly nor can you have this debate without your obvious bias, so bye. Have a nice day!

krbeck
07/20/13 1:34 pm

Cam, you said you would bring it to trial even without good evidence. This will bankrupt the avg person and could destroy their name. Using your logic, you, I, or anyone could be brought up on charges and have to fight for our lives.

chemist2016
07/20/13 10:55 am

I'm not talking about the case. May I ask how would you prove Zimmerman was racially profiling Martin if he didn't say anything. Why Martin? Does he follow every kid that walks in his neighborhood?

ScrewU Gone
07/20/13 10:45 am

Did you ever hear of anyone being convicted of "instigation?" Didn't think so.

ladyniner81 no hope for humanity
07/20/13 10:42 am

The media ruined this from the get go. CNN "accidentally" puts out Zimmerman's address, puts out feelers to Sharpton &Jackson knowing they'll raise a fuss, they started race baiting with the old pictures of Trayvon (that picture did NOT look like a 17 year old ) looking angelic, and pictures of z

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ladyniner81 no hope for humanity
07/20/13 10:46 am

Zimmerman looking like a psychopath. I'm not saying Trayvon deserved what happened to him, but that is one thing that bugs me about the media is it stereotypes. But anyways, and the white Hispanic comment. Plus the prosecution screwed Trayvon. The media screwed Trayvon, Not Zimmerman. Zimm

ladyniner81 no hope for humanity
07/20/13 10:48 am

Zimmerman was just a pawn. he will never have a normal life again, he will have to look over his shoulder for the rest of his life due to his stupidity,

ScrewU Gone
07/20/13 10:56 am

Due to his looking out for his neighbors, you mean.

gvangijs5
07/20/13 10:58 am

there really wasn't any sort of good outcome. a child is dead and a man's life is in pieces. oh, Florida... when will you change your ways?

ScrewU Gone
07/20/13 11:01 am

This kind of thing happens every day, all over the country. My county gets 3,000 calls to 911 daily. Many of those are suspicious persons, especially after 9/11 and "see something, say something." They rarely end in violence.

ScrewU Gone
07/20/13 11:03 am

Trayvon should have walked his ass home and called the police about the "creepy ass cracker" following him. Not violently attacked him. That acted was completely unjustified, and the ONLY reason he died that night.

gvangijs5
07/20/13 11:10 am

that, and Zimmerman and his predisposition to fire. yes, TM should've gone home and called the police, but GZ pursued after being told directly not to by the police. he wanted to shoot.

ScrewU Gone
07/20/13 12:06 pm

He wanted to shoot and thank his lucky stars Trayvon decided to try to kill him?

Bullshit.

gvangijs5
07/20/13 12:16 pm

sure. aren't you clever? you should bring your story to fox (or is that 'faux?') news. I'll bet they'll offer you a job.
it's not likely we'll agree on this anytime soon. I'm just saying, it's tragic.

ScrewU Gone
07/20/13 12:35 pm

No. Cornell Jude shooting an unarmed Hispanic kid for blocking his car at a Taco Bell drive through, claiming self defense and not being charged despite NO evidence his life was in danger was a tragedy. Martin's death was fairly predictable.

gvangijs5
07/20/13 12:44 pm

okay. whatever you say. not tragic, just business as usual.

don't have kids.

ScrewU Gone
07/20/13 5:16 pm

When you post pictures of yourself with guns and pot, brag about getting into fights, get thrown out of school, sent to live with relatives and beat the shit out of a guy just for following you. Yeah. You're going to die a violent death.

dramatic13 Tennessee
07/20/13 10:35 am

What's so complex about self - defence? Answer: nothing. If you feel like your life is in danger, then shooting someone is not murder.

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catslax
07/20/13 10:15 am

The media complicated this case, and Zimmerman's life. CNN 'Accidentally' showed GZ's address and other personal info, inc his SSN, which they really shouldn't have.

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catslax
07/20/13 10:17 am

GZ should sue CNN for that, and MSNBC for their editing, then use that money to pay for his legal fees, and buy one or more bigger guns.

ScrewU Gone
07/20/13 10:20 am

He already sued NBC for altering the 911 tape. He's going to be a rich man.

gvangijs5
07/20/13 12:11 pm

more likely to be a dead man.

gvangijs5
07/20/13 12:22 pm

no, no. I'm not making a threat at all. I'm saying I'd be more surprised to see him winning a large suit than having been shot by some vigilante. I'm certainly not condoning this.

FSSFred Massachusetts
07/20/13 9:55 am

The jury got it right based on the retarded law. I follow you and attack you. I have a gun. You react and get the advantage and I feel threatened. I shoot you and I go free. In fact, they give me my gun back. Does this make any sense?

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skittlesucker
07/20/13 10:00 am

Yes, it does, although it is sad. You don't just assault someone because they're following you.

catslax
07/20/13 10:00 am

Stand your ground was not used in the case. Nice try though.

skittlesucker
07/20/13 10:01 am

Btw, they're is no evidence Zimmerman attacked him. In fact all the evidence points to Treyvon being the attacker.

ScrewU Gone
07/20/13 10:22 am

Holder decided he can't have his gun back. Because fuck the law.

tenorplayer14
07/20/13 9:49 am

The irony in all this is that the people who are over-complicating the case know the least about it.

pcox104 Florida
07/20/13 8:42 am

I think they only prosecuted because of outside or higher up pressure. That's why they resorted to saying things the jury and the defense thought was desperate and just not right.

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ScrewU Gone
07/20/13 9:35 am

The 200+ people who also killed in self defense in FL since SYG was passed, but who were NOT charged also proves that this was a racially-motivated railroading.

craizer
07/20/13 9:49 am

Not to mention the fact that SYG has nothing to do with this case. There's no standing your ground when you're on your back getting your face pounded

li11001
07/20/13 8:30 am

While what happened is tragic, it was open and shut due to the law. Trayvon attacked and GZ reacted. However, that situation should have been averted. Race played a small part in this, but GZ's perception of "punks" points to other social issues.

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skittlesucker
07/20/13 10:07 am

Lol, you are so one sided in your portrayal of this case. What about Treyvon's racist remark about the "creepy ass cracker"? Zimmerman didn't use any racial
slurs and he's the racist?

li11001
07/20/13 10:59 am

You are correct about Trayvon's comment and it is equally deplorable. It was GZ's lack of racial comment that Is interesting. That is why I bring up the "punk" reference. The driving bias here was age. Society tells us teenagers aren't to be trusted

skittlesucker
07/20/13 11:41 am

I would call any teenager walking around my neighbor hood at night acting weird a punk, and I'm only 30. We had car breakI've told teenagers in my neighborhood to beat it if they look like they're up to no good.

skittlesucker
07/20/13 11:46 am

It was supposed to say, we had car break-ins in our neighbor hood. Because of that I've told teenagers to beat it. I'm a fairly large guy so I don't worry about being attacked by a "punk". But I certainly wouldn't let one of them kill me either.

li11001
07/20/13 11:47 am

That is what I mean. Teenagers in a neighborhood after dark must be up to no good. Why?

coloradical Vote or Shut Up
07/20/13 8:00 am

The Media and the Gun Grabbers tried to turn it into something it was not.
1. White-Hispanic?
2. Edited Photos concealing Zimmermans bloody head & broken nose?
3. Edited 911 Tape to make Zimmerman appear racist?

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gvangijs5
07/20/13 7:33 am

open and shut, but somehow went the wrong direction.

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Gunfighter
07/20/13 7:42 am

How so? Martin's assault was as obvious as it was unprovoked.

gvangijs5
07/20/13 8:18 am

which we take GZ 's word for. no conflict of interest there. and different language paints this differently, don't you think. had GZ been spoken of as murdering an unarmed child, perhaps things would've come to light a bit more. having seen your name, though, I doubt there's much point in this.

ScrewU Gone
07/20/13 9:33 am

The physical evidence backed up Zimmerman's story in every detail.

You're completely correct in saying that when you leave out facts, you draw different conclusions. No shit.

gvangijs5
07/20/13 10:21 am

facts... as in, testimony of the accused? if TM had been on trial (and not had the misfortune of being black in Florida ) for assault, there wouldn't have been enough evidence to convict. but he never got a trial, did he?

ScrewU Gone
07/20/13 10:25 am

With Zimmerman's injuries? Trayvon would have been convicted of assault in a 5 minute trial. He might have been charged with malicious wounding for drawing blood (or FL's equivalent).

gvangijs5
07/20/13 10:35 am

he killed a child. he was carrying a gun loaded with hollowpoints. he had a hero complex. I'm all for mercy, but he was guilty.

ScrewU Gone
07/20/13 10:38 am

He killed an angry, racist 6'2" thug high on marijuana who was banging his head into the concrete. In sorry the facts don't suit your bias, but the truth is the truth.

swervin Maryland
07/20/13 7:25 am

It was self defense. Simple.

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Gunfighter
07/20/13 7:25 am

The police (you know, those guys who investigate crimes and enforce the law) thought it was open-and-shut self-defense. They didn't even press charges at first. Zimmerman was so obviously innocent that this trial should have never happened.

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timeout Boston Strong
07/20/13 7:00 am

No but I think it was handled badly by the prosecution.

Camshaft
07/20/13 6:44 am

Enough with this case already.

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craizer
07/20/13 7:35 am

Seriously! If people really wanted to be upset about an epidemic of black people dying they'd be talking about Chicago. But since it's predominantly black-on-black it's not PC to talk about it

chemist2016
07/20/13 6:43 am

From a law stand point yes pretty simple. The issue hear is how it started and the frame of mind that provoked Zimmerman to take action. Just listen to what Obama said instead of changing the subject

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ScrewU Gone
07/20/13 9:39 am

Obama is just as racially biased as the people who forced charges to be brought. He should be taking a moral stand against violence, not egging on people who use perceived racial bias as an excuse to instigate it.

chemist2016
07/20/13 10:06 am

Soooo from what I got out of his speech was he was speaking of racial profiling. i think this is the best time to talk about race statistics. May I ask do you think that racial profiling does no happen.

ScrewU Gone
07/20/13 10:29 am

Racial profiling is irrelevant to this case. The FBI investigation already concluded that there is no evidence that Zimmerman called 311 to report Trayvon as a suspicious person because of his race.

ScrewU Gone
07/20/13 10:31 am

Obama stated categorically that minorities are discriminated against in arrests and sentencing, despite many studies that have tried and failed to prove that. He is either deliberately fanning the flames of racial discord or too stupid to know he is.

chemist2016
07/20/13 10:50 am

I'm not talking about the case. May I ask how would you prove Zimmerman was racially profiling Martin if he didn't as

chemist2016
07/20/13 10:56 am

I'm not talking about the case. May I ask how would you prove Zimmerman was racially profiling Martin if he didn't say anything. Why Martin? Does he follow every kid that walks in his neighborhood?

chemist2016
07/20/13 10:58 am

The question was do you believe that racial profiling does not happen. Even if it is not relevant to the particular case.

ScrewU Gone
07/20/13 10:59 am

He told 311 exactly why he thought Trayvon was acting suspiciously. He was part of the neighborhood watch. What do you think they do?

chemist2016
07/20/13 11:14 am

Okay forget Zimmerman we can argue all day why he thought trevon was suspicious. Do you think that racial profiling does not happen in the country. May I add you do not have to be racist to racially profile someone.

ScrewU Gone
07/20/13 12:10 pm

I don't think people "racially profile" much at all in this country. You see a black guy walking down the street in a suit and tie, do you lock your car doors? No.

Some people want to blame race for their own failings, or their own bad decisions

chemist2016
07/20/13 12:46 pm

I have a scholarly wardrobe and I have a very wide vocab when I speak. But unfortunately I have experienced every example that Obama mentioned and more, regularly. I will agree some use at as a crouch but many don't.

chemist2016
07/20/13 12:55 pm

Instead of just saying Obama is instigating and then dismissing what he says why don't we try to eliminate the problem. The first step to recovery is identifying the problem. Sadly I just see an America in denial.

sailrealvty Downtown
07/20/13 6:41 am

Are we thinking that America is NOT racist?

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sailrealvty Downtown
07/20/13 6:42 am

Or is this about the 2nd amendment i.e. Stand Your Ground laws?

sailrealvty Downtown
07/20/13 6:44 am

Are we or are we not slurping up and basing our opinions on information from the media...

sailrealvty Downtown
07/20/13 6:46 am

Or does the information matter at all.

Are we, unfairly, choosing sides based on personal bias????

ScrewU Gone
07/20/13 9:40 am

Is beating a man's head against concrete the way to solve racism?

rcgrant south carolina
07/20/13 9:48 am

from what I have seen the racism is from black to othee races.
you don't hardly anything from white supremacy groups. the only race issues you hear are from the blacks naacp al sharpton jessie jackson black panthers and the president. where is the source of racism coming from now

rcgrant south carolina
07/20/13 6:08 am

in a way this is comical. the same ones calling for justice are the same ones telling repulican supporters to deal with it when we want justice for Obama stealing and rigging to elections his action in Bengazi and several other violations. well now here it is the people have spoke deal with it

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redrocker Idaho
07/20/13 5:50 am

it's possible that Zimmerman attacked him first but then lost so he shot him, but there is no evidence of that, so he had to be acquitted.

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