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MJSeals July 12th, 2013 9:22pm

Which war do you think was a bigger failure?

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SugarShaq
07/12/13 8:22 pm

Democrats, how do 30% of you count loss if not through loss of life. Vietnam: 47,424 dead. War on Terror 5,281

Is everything solely political

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sydwel
07/13/13 8:40 pm

Well only 9 Dems voted so it might not be quite accurate....

Praetorianus Fair enough.
07/12/13 7:36 pm

What I don't get is so many say we lost Nam.
You lose a war if your country is occupied and in smoldering ruins after every able body 16 to 60 had been drafted and it didn't help. We pulled out.

MJSeals J.D.
07/12/13 7:55 pm

We lost because we were fighting for South Vietnam, which was in the state you described

Praetorianus Fair enough.
07/12/13 8:32 pm

South V lost, we quit. Take WWII. How did Russia beat back the invasion? Not with superior tech, but sheer mass. They outnumbered the enemy 2:1, so even if 4 Russians fell for every three Germans, they just replaced them despite mind boggling losses.

Praetorianus Fair enough.
07/12/13 8:35 pm

Of course it would have been sheer madness since the US wasn't under attack, but if we had decided to throw everything we had at them, we would have repulsed Charlie by sheer numbers.

MJSeals J.D.
07/12/13 6:25 pm

Iraq was more of a political failure and Vietnam was more loss of life

commonsense America isnt racist
07/12/13 5:03 pm

Vietnam I guess. Although we've never lost a war. Except with ourselves.

lmurder MDK
07/12/13 3:43 pm

Vietnam hands down. Good luck fighting communism.

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EarlyBird Portland
07/12/13 3:47 pm

Agree 100%

kilokalex Sanity is for the weak
07/12/13 2:54 pm

Technically we won every engagement in Vietnam and we where winning, political pressure made us withdraw.

Praetorianus Fair enough.
07/12/13 2:45 pm

First Gulf war: Kuwait liberated. Second: Saddam removed. Ahem, what failure please?

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Vincere Seattle
07/12/13 2:56 pm

Almost 4,500 American servicemen and women dead, hundreds of thousands of Iraqis dead. Iraq is now a divided, unstable nation, civil war likely. Not to mention the trillions of dollars that could have otherwise been spent on improving our nation.

lmurder MDK
07/12/13 3:42 pm

But they're not controlled by a crazy regime anymore and have more electricity than ever. As for the pricetag...wait till the dinar is revalued to its previous war rates.

Vincere Seattle
07/12/13 3:47 pm

lmurder, There are crazy regimes in Syria, Iran, North Korea, and plenty of other countries. Is it the United States' job to topple all of those governments and occupy them for a decade?

lmurder MDK
07/12/13 4:00 pm

Well we tried to fought communism if that says anything. Rather fight real terrorist than an ideology and there was lot of al-Qaeda roaming free/aided in iraq.

Vincere Seattle
07/12/13 4:06 pm

So fighting a human emotion is less hopeless than fighting an ideology? The war on terror is even more vague than the war on communism.

For every country we occupy, every terrorist we kill it only breeds more hate and terrorism. Only way to win...

lmurder MDK
07/12/13 4:11 pm

Well I'm a little biased, 68 cavemen aren't walking this earth anymore because of me. One less brainwashed neanderthal who degrades women and children is good in my eyes.
Also not all Muslims/Arabs conform to the idea you cut the snakes head off

lmurder MDK
07/12/13 4:12 pm

A dozen will grow. Rather kill off the ones who were brain washed and show their youth that air conditioning and paved roads aren't bad.

Vincere Seattle
07/12/13 5:44 pm

I didn't realize you were a veteran, thank you for your service.

You're right, there are plenty of moderates too. I guess for me it boils down to: should we be the ones actively going into these countries and trying to rid them of their terrorist..

Vincere Seattle
07/12/13 5:46 pm

...infestations. To me the answer is no because those are internal affairs in those sovereign countries. And by getting involved we only invite them to attack our civilians as well. I'd prefer to focus on homeland defense rather than our current...

Vincere Seattle
07/12/13 5:46 pm

"Best offense is a good defense" strategy.

lmurder MDK
07/12/13 8:21 pm

I get where you're coming from. But when there are major terror cells linked to the ghan in a country that has a bad history we have to draw a line and take action.
Granted there was other variables such as

lmurder MDK
07/12/13 8:22 pm

Bush's personal want to surpass his dad in something he could never do, which was topple saddams regime. Also war profits and oil weighed heavy on the subject.

lmurder MDK
07/12/13 8:23 pm

I'd prefer it if we stopped giving aide to foreign countries and spent it fixing/helping the poor and cutting lazy Americans off the government assistance.

lmurder MDK
07/12/13 8:25 pm

Why thank you. Made me into the patriotic hard working man I am today who has morals and values and cares for his countries progress.
Granted there's some PTSD and a few dead buddies but nothing a joint can't solve.

DunkinFrunk Austin area, Texas
07/12/13 2:31 pm

Vietnam was a police action and the worse decision we could have made. We should have just declared war on them and be out in a few years.

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Vincere Seattle
07/12/13 2:34 pm

Congress hasn't officially declared war since WW2. It's crazy.

Vincere Seattle
07/12/13 2:27 pm

In terms of total casualties and end result, Vietnam was worse, hands down. Iraq and Afghanistan combined weren't even close to the military and domestic disaster that was Vietnam.

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