Which war do you think was a bigger failure?
Democrats, how do 30% of you count loss if not through loss of life. Vietnam: 47,424 dead. War on Terror 5,281
Is everything solely political
Well only 9 Dems voted so it might not be quite accurate....
What I don't get is so many say we lost Nam.
You lose a war if your country is occupied and in smoldering ruins after every able body 16 to 60 had been drafted and it didn't help. We pulled out.
We lost because we were fighting for South Vietnam, which was in the state you described
South V lost, we quit. Take WWII. How did Russia beat back the invasion? Not with superior tech, but sheer mass. They outnumbered the enemy 2:1, so even if 4 Russians fell for every three Germans, they just replaced them despite mind boggling losses.
Of course it would have been sheer madness since the US wasn't under attack, but if we had decided to throw everything we had at them, we would have repulsed Charlie by sheer numbers.
Iraq was more of a political failure and Vietnam was more loss of life
Vietnam I guess. Although we've never lost a war. Except with ourselves.
Vietnam hands down. Good luck fighting communism.
Technically we won every engagement in Vietnam and we where winning, political pressure made us withdraw.
First Gulf war: Kuwait liberated. Second: Saddam removed. Ahem, what failure please?
Almost 4,500 American servicemen and women dead, hundreds of thousands of Iraqis dead. Iraq is now a divided, unstable nation, civil war likely. Not to mention the trillions of dollars that could have otherwise been spent on improving our nation.
But they're not controlled by a crazy regime anymore and have more electricity than ever. As for the pricetag...wait till the dinar is revalued to its previous war rates.
lmurder, There are crazy regimes in Syria, Iran, North Korea, and plenty of other countries. Is it the United States' job to topple all of those governments and occupy them for a decade?
Well we tried to fought communism if that says anything. Rather fight real terrorist than an ideology and there was lot of al-Qaeda roaming free/aided in iraq.
So fighting a human emotion is less hopeless than fighting an ideology? The war on terror is even more vague than the war on communism.
For every country we occupy, every terrorist we kill it only breeds more hate and terrorism. Only way to win...
...is to not play.
Well I'm a little biased, 68 cavemen aren't walking this earth anymore because of me. One less brainwashed neanderthal who degrades women and children is good in my eyes.
Also not all Muslims/Arabs conform to the idea you cut the snakes head off
A dozen will grow. Rather kill off the ones who were brain washed and show their youth that air conditioning and paved roads aren't bad.
I didn't realize you were a veteran, thank you for your service.
You're right, there are plenty of moderates too. I guess for me it boils down to: should we be the ones actively going into these countries and trying to rid them of their terrorist..
...infestations. To me the answer is no because those are internal affairs in those sovereign countries. And by getting involved we only invite them to attack our civilians as well. I'd prefer to focus on homeland defense rather than our current...
"Best offense is a good defense" strategy.
I get where you're coming from. But when there are major terror cells linked to the ghan in a country that has a bad history we have to draw a line and take action.
Granted there was other variables such as
Bush's personal want to surpass his dad in something he could never do, which was topple saddams regime. Also war profits and oil weighed heavy on the subject.
I'd prefer it if we stopped giving aide to foreign countries and spent it fixing/helping the poor and cutting lazy Americans off the government assistance.
Why thank you. Made me into the patriotic hard working man I am today who has morals and values and cares for his countries progress.
Granted there's some PTSD and a few dead buddies but nothing a joint can't solve.
Vietnam was a police action and the worse decision we could have made. We should have just declared war on them and be out in a few years.
Congress hasn't officially declared war since WW2. It's crazy.
In terms of total casualties and end result, Vietnam was worse, hands down. Iraq and Afghanistan combined weren't even close to the military and domestic disaster that was Vietnam.