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Squidboy December 21st, 2016 3:16pm

1 Peter 2:17 (NIV) 'Show proper respect to everyone, ...'

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RagingMystic covfefe
12/23/16 11:38 pm

Yes, that means even muslims. Or at least the non radical ones

DoctorWasdarb Marxist Leninist Maoist
12/22/16 9:21 pm

With a fair definition of proper, I agree. I don't think proper respect mandates that respect be given to those who blatantly refuse to give you any.

4boot LaTrineodeur, MN
12/21/16 4:53 pm

The key word is "proper"

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Zod Above Pugetropolis
12/21/16 3:13 pm

Agree sort of, with just that part of the passage, but Wheaton's Law says essentially the same thing much more concisely and eloquently without adding on any religious nonsense.

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MrMilkdud
12/21/16 9:24 am

You have to be careful about cherry picking a couple of lines from the Bible and assuming they mean the same thing today that they did then, because the average reader would interpret this with a contemporary bent and miss the meaning completely.
The full verse is "Honor all people, love the brotherhood, fear God, honor the king."

The translation "show proper respect" is used to try to convey the spirit of the Greek word "timēsate," which is used twice in the verse, first in reference to "pantas" or "everyone," and second in reference to the emperor or political authority.
The sense of the original Greek here is not showing respect to people as individuals, or elevating everyone to the level of the emperor, but showing respect to their station in life or how they fit into the social order.

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MrMilkdud
12/21/16 9:28 am

It would be similar to saying "respect the office of the presidency," advising someone to respect a police officer or a store owner because of their station.
What he's really advising here is for people to preserve the social order and not upend it by misinterpreting or abusing other verses that say everyone is equal in the eyes of God. At that time, there was a strong revolutionary movement and Christianity was at risk of being hijacked to incite outright revolution against the old Roman Empire.

MrMilkdud
12/21/16 9:31 am

Understood properly, the four parts of that verse are establishing Christian's proper stance toward the universe- specifically, the out group, the in group, government, and God.

MrMilkdud
12/21/16 9:31 am

*the early Christians' proper...

Squidboy Snarkapottamus
12/21/16 9:32 am

Well stated. I thought about including the entire verse, but there were too many separate elements to disagree with. I feel the sentiment stands alone and doesn't necessarily need the context to be valid.

MrMilkdud
12/21/16 9:36 am

The sentiment only stands alone if you want it to be separated from the actual biblical meaning.
When people see the phrase "respect everyone" today, and interpret it according to the values of our modern culture, it takes on a very different meaning that is directed at seeing people as individuals and respecting them for who they are, personally. That's not what timēsate means.
I'm not saying that the modern concept of respecting others is wrong, but it is not what is being conveyed in this verse.

TopsQueen Oregon Coast
12/21/16 9:12 am

Yes. I actually turned in a store clerk one time for looking down her nose at people that were on stamps. It was so rude and demeaning to those people. Little acts of kindness mean a great deal. Would imagine respect falls in that same category.

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