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Cole12 December 20th, 2016 8:00pm

Under Pres. Obama, America took important steps to become a benevolent superpower. Now, however, the US will likely return to its position as the world's selfish superpower, & Germany & China will be the countries working for the good of humanity.

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DoctorWasdarb Marxist Leninist Maoist
12/22/16 2:42 pm

Disagree. None of those three countries have been trying to be benevolent, and none of those three countries will change that status.

jrpacman Pensum iocus est
12/21/16 6:12 am

Take away China and I agree

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skinner Jersey City
12/20/16 9:13 pm

I disagree with the premise that the United States was only a force for good during the Obama administration. Insofar as the United States is a benevolent superpower, we have been that way since the end of the Cold War. I also disagree with the notion that China, which props up dictators around the world and has an explicit policy of ignoring human rights or other 'internal concerns', could possibly be a benevolent power.

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DoctorWasdarb Marxist Leninist Maoist
12/22/16 2:43 pm

Close, but you think that the US has mostly been benevolent since the Cold War. That part isn't so true. Our enemies have changed, only since leftism isn't so popular these days.

MaurPher Anywhere but here
12/20/16 6:38 pm

The United States does many good things but is definitely a selfish superpower and will get much much worse with Trump in office. But since when was china working for the good of humanity.

EarlyBird Portland
12/20/16 5:33 pm

No, I can't agree with this.

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RagingMystic covfefe
12/20/16 5:13 pm

I doubt China is working for the good of humanity, and America definitely didn't make it all the way there, but with those qualifiers yeah

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Torfin Never Behind
12/20/16 4:41 pm

If you believe your pole you are delusional

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rons WOKE is sick
12/20/16 4:21 pm

I think we were ranked under Finland as a super power under Obama.

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buffaloman Team Trump
12/20/16 3:42 pm

I disagree with the premise. Obama did not turn us into a "benevolent superpower." He TRIED to turn us into weak pushover, but we resisted... and elected Trump to "make America great again."

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RagingMystic covfefe
12/20/16 5:13 pm

By which you mean control the entire world with the threat of force or be 'weak'

political Georgia
12/20/16 2:56 pm

Isn't China primarily responsible for the Gore hoax? I will never understand liberals' doublespeak.

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Ebola1 Florida
12/20/16 2:45 pm

Either this is a joke or the poster has been smoking something.

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gow488 Korea
12/20/16 2:04 pm

China tortures and imprisons political activists, sends people who are the wrong religion to labor camps, severely censors the internet and the press, and treats workers like shit, but the U.S. is totally the bad guy.

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smacc DunningKruger
12/20/16 1:32 pm

Partially true. Yes to the US return to bad behavior. Not so sure about the rest.

MrMilkdud
12/20/16 1:23 pm

Germany allows itself to be overrun by refugees and suddenly they're a benevolent superpower?

And we could line our borders with claymores, start shooting political dissidents in the street, and transform all of our prison into labor/death camps and still stay lightyears ahead of China's humanitarian record.

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Luftwaffe South of Heaven
12/20/16 1:20 pm

How is anything Obama has done in the Middle East benevolent? Syria? Lybia? Yemen?

Also, how is China even considered a humanitarian power?

Last, Germany's compassion has cost them a lot of social cohesion, and has been an economic negative on them.

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MrMilkdud
12/20/16 1:25 pm

Well, china will occasionally kill prisoners instead of sending them to lifetime labor camps. I suppose that's sort benevolent.
And they sometimes penalize guards who gang rape female prisoners.

smacc DunningKruger
12/20/16 1:35 pm

Obama took steps toward this, yes. You can argue whether or not they were the right steps or enough.

DoctorWasdarb Marxist Leninist Maoist
12/22/16 2:44 pm

I agree, except for the last point about social cohesion.

smacc DunningKruger
12/22/16 3:03 pm

Loss of social cohesion I agree is a stretch. It doesn't make any sense.

Luftwaffe South of Heaven
12/22/16 5:21 pm

Is National Unity better? When you add a lot of ethnic groups together with different moarls with high tensions you tend not to be as productive as a society that's predominantly Homogeneous.

smacc DunningKruger
12/22/16 11:12 pm

Sorry, different morals? You mean values?
What you describe is a cult. This is like the argument that gay marriage breaks down heterosexual marriage. Very sad

Luftwaffe South of Heaven
12/23/16 4:24 am

Are you trying to be stupid? You know exactly what I mean. There's cleary a difference between the values and morals of a man from Germany compared to a man in Saudi Arabia. What I'm describing is not a cult, in fact it's modern day Japan.

Luftwaffe South of Heaven
12/23/16 4:31 am

They're very vetted, and make up a small percentage of the population.

smacc DunningKruger
12/23/16 1:47 pm

When one has "different moral" which is akin to right and wrong you are making a judgment. Values are different. If others value have a negative effect on you you are weak.

Luftwaffe South of Heaven
12/23/16 3:47 pm

When different people have different values, and you expect them to run a goverment that is democratic, each with different ways on how to run it, you're bound to have a lack of social cohesion. This is common sense.

smacc DunningKruger
12/23/16 10:20 pm

No I don't think so. People will always have different ways of running it. The important part is a common goal.

Luftwaffe South of Heaven
12/24/16 5:26 am

But that each have different ideas to what this common goal is.

Luftwaffe South of Heaven
12/24/16 5:26 am

Get someone from Germany and someone from Saudi Arabia and tell them to vote on a conclusion regarding women rights

smacc DunningKruger
12/24/16 2:08 pm

That is one point where democracy doesn't have the answer. A right is right. They either apply to all or they are not rights. You can't vote them away.

This whole idea sound very dangerous. Gay marriage destroying heterosexual marriage. Protecting cultural purity....

lj74
12/20/16 1:19 pm

"Benevolent superpower"? No. We were turned into a laughing stock across the world. Both our allies and enemies cringed.

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