China seized an American unmanned underwater drone in the South China Sea, though they've stated they will return the device. Were they within their rights to remove the drone from the South China Sea?
To the 30% who said they were within their right need to go back to their history and geography books. Despite China claiming the South China Sea belongs solely to them, they are wrong. And the "newly constructed" land grabs is indicative of their true objectives.
Sometimes I wish there was a button for "I'm not informed enough on this to form an opinion ". But when. Has that stopped anyone this year.
International waters = no. Especially a science drone. That means they were paranoid and thinking we are spying on them. What are you projecting, China?
I don't think they were within their rights as I'm thinking it was in international waters. But I don't know.
I am sure they will return it after they get a good look at it.
If you said yes, you have zero knowledge of international maritime law.
That's no lie, but if it was in their waters I'd say yes.
But it wasn't in their waters. It was stolen less than 50 miles from a us naval base in the Philippines. A few hundred miles from chinese territorial waters.
Why do so many Dems not know maritime law. Or do they just make knee jerk reaction answers?
Not even a Democrat. I wasn't sure if it was in their waters or not. Looks like not, so they had no right.
Not you Iranian. You're cool. But do you ever call yourself a Persian. Just wondering.
The amount of conservatives who say that China was right confuse me. Talk about cuckservatives.
But actually more democrats said yes...
It's kinda weird huh? At least do some research of maritime law before answering anything.
What was it doing there in the first place?
Likely mapping the bottom for future submarine operations and peace keeping missions in the area. Also looking for any illegal Chinese construction in the area I'd guess.
And that's the problem. We "guess" what our gov't is doing.
Um. Okay. Well it's not something you'd like to broadcast. There is a reason it was a submersible.
Who the fuck are you? 😂That you need to know EVERYTHING even if it puts military operations at risk?
Bullshit. If I'm paying your salary, I want to know what you're up to. If we're at war with China, or any other country ftm, then OK, secrecy. Otherwise, I want to know what my government is doing with my money.
All that pivoting to Asia really worked out well for Obama and Clinton.
Just like their reset with Russia.
Or the "bring back our girls" Boko Haram.
Or the "agreement not treaty with Iran".
And yet there is Barry patting himself on the back in a presser Friday. Talk about clueless.
Yes your option is to declare war on all of them? It's bad to escalate war with Russia, but good to do it with China because god emperor trump says so?
How about make up your own mind on the issues.
Lol. Wow. Pivot towards Asia was meant to check Chinese power so how you take negative events with them to mean that it's not working... I don't know what to tell you.
And most of the Nigerian girls have been recovered.
Oh they will give it back, after copying it & making their own prototype of it ❗
Yes the will, if it's not cyber stealing, it is out and out theft!
So what's new the past 8 years!
They want it, they take it!
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You misunderstand nautical law, clearly.
Sure. But where the f** were the military?!
Who gives a fuck theyd said they would give it back
After they take any secret technology.
I agree with Dry. Plus, the craft was found about 50 miles away from their rightfully owner waters. What were they doing so far from there?
Secret technology in a submarine drone?yeah right lol
Maybe that's what they want you to think, rambo.
They are developing unmanned fighters, a small sub is juvenile comparatively
There's a much bigger problem displayed right here in these comments: people with no clue what they're talking about making up conspiracy theories at their leisure. If there was some secret tech on this research vessel that measures temperature and salt levels and basic shit, the US government would be all over it. Think
No, but the situation sounds blown out of proportion by the US. I wouldn't call it unpresidented, because that's not a word, nor unprecedented, because it's not that big of a deal
Until our secret tech is stolen.
It's a research drone, not a teleportation device
China has been posturing for aggression by building airstrips and stockpiling warfare arsenal for quite sometime. Now they are flexing their muscle to see what will happen.
Obama won't do anything.
You know what I'm going to do? I'm going to do what every American should do....
"Stop Buying Crap Made In China!"
Boycott Chinese goods and watch their economy collapse. Back to the rice paddy ungrateful mealy mouth urchins.
Do you know how many things we buy that say "Made in China"??? Easier said then done
Many of those things we really don't need. Even a small drop in exports can sting. It sends a message that we have consumer power.
So what are we gonna do about it? You can't just come up with a nation-changing idea and not have a plan of action. Petition the government, perhaps?
Just inform everyone you know via email and social media that you are taking a stance and urge them to join in. It may take a year but eventually someone is going to get the message, loud and clear.
Unless it is something that I desperately need I'm never going to buy anything that says made in China. Its simple really if you think about it.
When I see the made in China sticker or label I ask myself "Do I really need this item" and can I buy it made somewhere else.
When you keep feeding a cute little Lion cub he eventually eats you.
I think the reason there're so many yes answers is because it's called the "South China Sea." To the best of my knowledge, it's not owned by China, even if China wants it to be
I doubt if most of the people that said yes could find the South China Sea on a map, so you're probably right.
It's still the USA's property.
Anyone who said yes is an idiot or traitor. So they can just sees anything they want an international waters. They can seize your boat if you had one because they can believe you might be a spy and have something on your boat that would enable you to detect whatever. That's OK? So we can just go around start taking other countries' stuff at whim? This is a war provoking moved to believe otherwise it is ignorant and foolish
You're retarded if you think they want war with us
It's not about war it's about power and control.
You're retarded if you think China is afraid to go to war with us.
You are mentally challenged because it says it is not about war and does not imply that they are afraid of war. You like many other less astute member have a very low level of reading comprehension and just jump to conclusions based upon your skewed interpretations.
Then you precede to further display your ignorance via ad hominem without offering any substance of fact.
Rambo has a history of nonsense, so don't waste your time abusara.
Lol you're both more retarded than I thought. They need us for their economy to survive and vice versa
Yeah right bimbo088, we really need them for our economy, NOT!!!
They need us and that is about it. That may be the only thing that will keep them at bay. Americans will not buy Chinese crap if they treat us like crap.
They are our largest credit lender you retard keep up with the times.
Credit doesn't mean anything in this world when war or aggression takes to the forefront. But I won't argue about it with a dolt that has a screen name that doesn't come near befitting the personality of your commentary.
You must think you are so brilliant to be calling people retards. You are at least a dead giveaway for Not being an Intellectual.
What's your IQ? AR15 or AK47?
Jerks like you try to hide the fact they are whimps by using macho names and purporting to be manly. What are you like 15 years old? Just got involved with ROTC?
Grow up! Mommy and Daddy don't have time to tie your shoes anymore RAMBO!
LMAO RAMBO? Yeah your RAMBO alright.
More like RAM BUTT!
Try again on that rebuttal, you still haven't proven me wrong. You won't argue against it because you obviously can't lol. You seem to be convinced I am a teenager yet you're the only one coming up with lame childish insults like "ram butt". You need to find something more clever kiddo.
"Credit doesn't mean anything" yes, it actually does. Our standing in world economics depends on our credit rating and we primarily use China as our lender to pay off expenditures. That's as simple as I can put it for your simple mind.
"Americans will not buy Chinese crap" lol then from where? Oh that's right no where. You buy it all the time and you won't stop just because "they're being meanies"
You are really stupid and have no concept of global economics. I've come across your stupidity before and won't waste anymore time with you. Maybe you're even a Chinaman yourself? Hiding under the guise of Rambo?
Oh, so you can't argue against it. Maybe next time retard.
"You're stupid and have no concept of global economics" "durr bimbo088 credit means nothing"
I already argued. You have no point left to argue about. Once again you resort to calling people retards which exemplifies your immature nature and zealous desire to seem relevant in a world where you are clearly on the lower end of the spectrum.
I thought you were young because you respond in such a puerile manner.
Bye Bye RAINBOW, oops I mean RAMBO!
LOL I'm sorry I didn't realize you were Sylvester Stallone!
Oh look, the pùssy blocked me cause he has no argument lol
I don't really want to waste anymore time with a wannabe soldier boy. You have no point, get over it, you lost the argument with me. All you can do is resort to desperation comments.
I'm ignoring you because you are a boorish fool.
If you want to reply, unblock me pùssy.
That's what I thought..
No, it's international waters. The Navy should have their drones rigged up with C4 so they can make them go boom if the bad guys try to steal one.
Also, how the f*ck do you get a drone stolen? God damn POGs. The Navy hasn't even done anything badass since WWII.
I wasn't aware that keeping international trade flowing and peace in the worlds oceans was useless. Ignorant.
Maybe they thought they were being spied on. They probably are anyway, so it would have been a valid assumption. News reports from the government have gaps wide enough to drive a submarine through...
30% of respondents are stupid.
There is a reason it's called international waters. There should be no further question.
The problem is the leadership of our country has proven themselves to be feckless and impotent. As such and Russia and China feel comfortable at pushing every advantage and rubbing our nose in our weakness at every conceivable opportunity.
Alright, we were in their understood territory. They had every right to stop a drone in their area. If Russia parked an underwater drone off of Long Island sound, we would not be so kind.
They took it in international waters it wasn't exactly threatening thier coastlines
No, but we weren't in our right to put a drone there either.
Do you have a problem with the USA doing Oceanography in international waters?
No, but that's a naïve interpretation of the situation.
Geopolitics. The US is trying to piss off China.
What makes you think that?
We've been doing it for a while. Economically with the TPP, geopolitically by condemning their expansion into the South China Sea, violating international law. Ordinarily that'd be okay, but we only condemn international law violators who we don't like.
First of all, this was Oceanography. I don't see why you think that is designed to be provocative.
And it seems like you are fine with China annexing a huge area of the South China Sea?
I'm not fine with China annexing huge parts of the South China Sea. My original comment said I didn't believe they had the right to take the drone. The reason is that it was in international waters. China does not own the sea, and they don't have the right to assert their dominance in it.
Was it still operational at the time, or had it become a derelict hazard to navigation? Because it seems like if it was good enough to even want back, it would have been able to evade them, never mind that it should have been as difficult for them to find as for us to keep track of in the first place.
It was an underwater drone used to map the ocean floor it wasnt exacty stealthy in the first place
I'm tired of China thinking they own the world, when actually, WE do!😬
If a Chinese drone were the same distance from our shore would everyone be ok with that? Considering it would still be international waters.
We would not seize it.
Can't say without knowing the exact location.
In international waters? No, they had no right to touch it.
It would be in China's best interest to let sleeping dogs lie. It would be in our best interest to wake the hell up.
No they weren't. It was in international waters, not sovereign Chinese territory. Anybody has the right to have anything in international waters.
The U.S. ship should have "given warning". Theft on the open sea is piracy and illegal.
See what Obama has done to the military?
Of course. We don't belong there.
It was in open international waters.
It was international water…
I don't care as long as we get the whole crew back I heard they have been torturing them and demanding USA top secret stuff and stuff
wow, where do you receive your information?
They were all women wow you dude-bros must be pretty embarrassed right bout now
I know man these guys don't get politics or submarines or china bruh
You're in a trolling kind of mood today :D
Anyone who says they had that right aren't real Americans
Our ship was in international waters. If we weren't and it wasn't documented by a satellite they would never have returned the underwater drone.
Don't accept it! It probably has 10,000 chinamen hiding inside it. Trojan horse anyone?
No, but I respect that they're returning it.
It was international water, so yes they should.
Can not believe that 20% + see nothing wrong with this. Seriously folks. Are that many Americans uneducated...or afraid of China... or just that plain ignorant. Wow! Just wow!
Uneducated and ignorant are two sides of the same coin, but to answer your question, yes.
I dunno. I've met a lot of ignorant intellectuals w/college degrees. Just sayin'
Yup. College degree does not equal intelligence or common sense. Of course, it should help...
One would think, but it's happened so often I no longer presume 😆
It's a provocation. They're trying to grab as much territory as they can during the transition chaos here in the US.
.....before a real president enters office, you mean. Obama can act on this today if he wanted to
No, they violated International Maritime Law
It was in international water…
It was in international waters, so the question is wrong
It was international waters and China was wrong.
Go home SOH, you're drunk.
It was just an Amazon drone delivering a package
CNN reported it was a Pizza Hut delivery.
Did it come from Hillary's and Podesta's Pizzeria?
No, that was the decapitated, life size, suspended artwork.