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Show Of Hands December 17th, 2016 10:01pm

China seized an American unmanned underwater drone in the South China Sea, though they've stated they will return the device. Were they within their rights to remove the drone from the South China Sea?

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gatsbyxxv
12/22/16 8:06 pm

To the 30% who said they were within their right need to go back to their history and geography books. Despite China claiming the South China Sea belongs solely to them, they are wrong. And the "newly constructed" land grabs is indicative of their true objectives.

muppethero pasco wa
12/21/16 4:03 am

Sometimes I wish there was a button for "I'm not informed enough on this to form an opinion ". But when. Has that stopped anyone this year.

SonofThunder peace
12/20/16 9:32 am

International waters = no. Especially a science drone. That means they were paranoid and thinking we are spying on them. What are you projecting, China?

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bringstheeagle Colorado
12/19/16 10:23 am

I don't think they were within their rights as I'm thinking it was in international waters. But I don't know.

drself Gated Community
12/19/16 9:17 am

I am sure they will return it after they get a good look at it.

allowishish
12/18/16 9:07 am

If you said yes, you have zero knowledge of international maritime law.

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Gilemerdaay Kaspi
12/18/16 9:36 am

That's no lie, but if it was in their waters I'd say yes.

extrakrizzle Pittsburgh
12/18/16 10:30 am

But it wasn't in their waters. It was stolen less than 50 miles from a us naval base in the Philippines. A few hundred miles from chinese territorial waters.

badattitude no place like home
12/18/16 9:02 pm

Why do so many Dems not know maritime law. Or do they just make knee jerk reaction answers?

Gilemerdaay Kaspi
12/18/16 9:25 pm

Not even a Democrat. I wasn't sure if it was in their waters or not. Looks like not, so they had no right.

badattitude no place like home
12/18/16 9:27 pm

Not you Iranian. You're cool. But do you ever call yourself a Persian. Just wondering.

Nuclear Boaty McBoatface
12/18/16 8:23 am

The amount of conservatives who say that China was right confuse me. Talk about cuckservatives.

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cooly158
12/18/16 1:58 pm

But actually more democrats said yes...

badattitude no place like home
12/18/16 9:03 pm

It's kinda weird huh? At least do some research of maritime law before answering anything.

Spiritof76 USA 1776
12/18/16 6:46 am

What was it doing there in the first place?

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Nuclear Boaty McBoatface
12/18/16 8:25 am

Likely mapping the bottom for future submarine operations and peace keeping missions in the area. Also looking for any illegal Chinese construction in the area I'd guess.

Spiritof76 USA 1776
12/18/16 8:58 am

And that's the problem. We "guess" what our gov't is doing.

Nuclear Boaty McBoatface
12/18/16 9:40 am

Um. Okay. Well it's not something you'd like to broadcast. There is a reason it was a submersible.

Who the fuck are you? πŸ˜‚That you need to know EVERYTHING even if it puts military operations at risk?

Spiritof76 USA 1776
12/18/16 9:50 am

Bullshit. If I'm paying your salary, I want to know what you're up to. If we're at war with China, or any other country ftm, then OK, secrecy. Otherwise, I want to know what my government is doing with my money.

LaReine Communist Lesbian
12/18/16 4:24 pm

>peace keeping
>US military

Pick one.

nacho
12/18/16 6:18 am

All that pivoting to Asia really worked out well for Obama and Clinton.
Just like their reset with Russia.
Or the "bring back our girls" Boko Haram.
Or the "agreement not treaty with Iran".

And yet there is Barry patting himself on the back in a presser Friday. Talk about clueless.

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Gundens
12/18/16 6:56 am

Yes your option is to declare war on all of them? It's bad to escalate war with Russia, but good to do it with China because god emperor trump says so?

How about make up your own mind on the issues.

Nuclear Boaty McBoatface
12/18/16 8:18 am

Lol. Wow. Pivot towards Asia was meant to check Chinese power so how you take negative events with them to mean that it's not working... I don't know what to tell you.

And most of the Nigerian girls have been recovered.

SHIPPY1944 Tn.
12/18/16 4:36 am

Oh they will give it back, after copying it & making their own prototype of it ❗

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Jazzy5 USA
12/18/16 6:01 am

Yes the will, if it's not cyber stealing, it is out and out theft!
So what's new the past 8 years!
They want it, they take it!

Laserbeam Crazy bird lady
12/18/16 1:52 am

Yep. International waters. Unmanned and unsecured apparently. Bound to happen sooner or later. US military's own fault.

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Nuclear Boaty McBoatface
12/18/16 8:19 am

You misunderstand nautical law, clearly.

dryanmorr
12/17/16 11:33 pm

Sure. But where the f** were the military?!

rambo088 kansas
12/17/16 11:12 pm

Who gives a fuck theyd said they would give it back

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dryanmorr
12/17/16 11:34 pm

After they take any secret technology.

thaywth
12/19/16 7:34 am

I agree with Dry. Plus, the craft was found about 50 miles away from their rightfully owner waters. What were they doing so far from there?

rambo088 kansas
12/19/16 10:12 am

Secret technology in a submarine drone?yeah right lol

thaywth
12/19/16 10:37 am

Maybe that's what they want you to think, rambo.

rambo088 kansas
12/19/16 10:54 am

They are developing unmanned fighters, a small sub is juvenile comparatively

CDFL alt right, alt snowflake
12/19/16 12:25 pm

There's a much bigger problem displayed right here in these comments: people with no clue what they're talking about making up conspiracy theories at their leisure. If there was some secret tech on this research vessel that measures temperature and salt levels and basic shit, the US government would be all over it. Think

CDFL alt right, alt snowflake
12/17/16 10:23 pm

No, but the situation sounds blown out of proportion by the US. I wouldn't call it unpresidented, because that's not a word, nor unprecedented, because it's not that big of a deal

thaywth
12/19/16 7:35 am

Until our secret tech is stolen.

CDFL alt right, alt snowflake
12/19/16 12:23 pm

It's a research drone, not a teleportation device

TheHand If you need a hand
12/17/16 10:06 pm

China has been posturing for aggression by building airstrips and stockpiling warfare arsenal for quite sometime. Now they are flexing their muscle to see what will happen.
Obama won't do anything.

You know what I'm going to do? I'm going to do what every American should do....

"Stop Buying Crap Made In China!"

Boycott Chinese goods and watch their economy collapse. Back to the rice paddy ungrateful mealy mouth urchins.

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Tekaishi Average Joe
12/18/16 12:50 am

Do you know how many things we buy that say "Made in China"??? Easier said then done

TheHand If you need a hand
12/18/16 1:08 am

Many of those things we really don't need. Even a small drop in exports can sting. It sends a message that we have consumer power.

thaywth
12/19/16 7:37 am

So what are we gonna do about it? You can't just come up with a nation-changing idea and not have a plan of action. Petition the government, perhaps?

TheHand If you need a hand
12/19/16 10:05 am

Just inform everyone you know via email and social media that you are taking a stance and urge them to join in. It may take a year but eventually someone is going to get the message, loud and clear.
Unless it is something that I desperately need I'm never going to buy anything that says made in China. Its simple really if you think about it.
When I see the made in China sticker or label I ask myself "Do I really need this item" and can I buy it made somewhere else.
When you keep feeding a cute little Lion cub he eventually eats you.

adamw Ohio
12/17/16 10:03 pm

I think the reason there're so many yes answers is because it's called the "South China Sea." To the best of my knowledge, it's not owned by China, even if China wants it to be

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abusara i drink and i know things
12/18/16 3:51 am

I doubt if most of the people that said yes could find the South China Sea on a map, so you're probably right.

raywygo Pittsburgh
12/17/16 10:01 pm

It's still the USA's property.

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ccc1 Georgia
12/17/16 8:52 pm

Anyone who said yes is an idiot or traitor. So they can just sees anything they want an international waters. They can seize your boat if you had one because they can believe you might be a spy and have something on your boat that would enable you to detect whatever. That's OK? So we can just go around start taking other countries' stuff at whim? This is a war provoking moved to believe otherwise it is ignorant and foolish

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rambo088 kansas
12/17/16 11:11 pm

You're retarded if you think they want war with us

TheHand If you need a hand
12/18/16 1:10 am

It's not about war it's about power and control.

abusara i drink and i know things
12/18/16 3:52 am

You're retarded if you think China is afraid to go to war with us.

TheHand If you need a hand
12/18/16 9:14 am

You are mentally challenged because it says it is not about war and does not imply that they are afraid of war. You like many other less astute member have a very low level of reading comprehension and just jump to conclusions based upon your skewed interpretations.
Then you precede to further display your ignorance via ad hominem without offering any substance of fact.

TheHand If you need a hand
12/18/16 9:16 am

Rambo has a history of nonsense, so don't waste your time abusara.

rambo088 kansas
12/18/16 9:55 am

Lol you're both more retarded than I thought. They need us for their economy to survive and vice versa

TheHand If you need a hand
12/18/16 12:49 pm

Yeah right bimbo088, we really need them for our economy, NOT!!!
They need us and that is about it. That may be the only thing that will keep them at bay. Americans will not buy Chinese crap if they treat us like crap.

rambo088 kansas
12/18/16 1:06 pm

They are our largest credit lender you retard keep up with the times.

TheHand If you need a hand
12/18/16 1:19 pm

Credit doesn't mean anything in this world when war or aggression takes to the forefront. But I won't argue about it with a dolt that has a screen name that doesn't come near befitting the personality of your commentary.
You must think you are so brilliant to be calling people retards. You are at least a dead giveaway for Not being an Intellectual.
What's your IQ? AR15 or AK47?
Jerks like you try to hide the fact they are whimps by using macho names and purporting to be manly. What are you like 15 years old? Just got involved with ROTC?
Grow up! Mommy and Daddy don't have time to tie your shoes anymore RAMBO!
LMAO RAMBO? Yeah your RAMBO alright.
More like RAM BUTT!
ROFLMAO!!!!

rambo088 kansas
12/18/16 1:23 pm

Try again on that rebuttal, you still haven't proven me wrong. You won't argue against it because you obviously can't lol. You seem to be convinced I am a teenager yet you're the only one coming up with lame childish insults like "ram butt". You need to find something more clever kiddo.

rambo088 kansas
12/18/16 1:31 pm

"Credit doesn't mean anything" yes, it actually does. Our standing in world economics depends on our credit rating and we primarily use China as our lender to pay off expenditures. That's as simple as I can put it for your simple mind.

rambo088 kansas
12/18/16 1:33 pm

"Americans will not buy Chinese crap" lol then from where? Oh that's right no where. You buy it all the time and you won't stop just because "they're being meanies"

TheHand If you need a hand
12/18/16 1:54 pm

You are really stupid and have no concept of global economics. I've come across your stupidity before and won't waste anymore time with you. Maybe you're even a Chinaman yourself? Hiding under the guise of Rambo?
How laughable!!

rambo088 kansas
12/18/16 1:56 pm

Oh, so you can't argue against it. Maybe next time retard.

rambo088 kansas
12/18/16 1:57 pm

"You're stupid and have no concept of global economics" "durr bimbo088 credit means nothing"

TheHand If you need a hand
12/18/16 2:05 pm

I already argued. You have no point left to argue about. Once again you resort to calling people retards which exemplifies your immature nature and zealous desire to seem relevant in a world where you are clearly on the lower end of the spectrum.
I thought you were young because you respond in such a puerile manner.
Bye Bye RAINBOW, oops I mean RAMBO!
LOL I'm sorry I didn't realize you were Sylvester Stallone!

rambo088 kansas
12/18/16 2:09 pm

Oh look, the pùssy blocked me cause he has no argument lol

TheHand If you need a hand
12/18/16 2:37 pm

I don't really want to waste anymore time with a wannabe soldier boy. You have no point, get over it, you lost the argument with me. All you can do is resort to desperation comments.
I'm ignoring you because you are a boorish fool.

rambo088 kansas
12/18/16 2:40 pm

If you want to reply, unblock me pùssy.

Gunfighter06 Iowa, since 1846
12/17/16 8:44 pm

No, it's international waters. The Navy should have their drones rigged up with C4 so they can make them go boom if the bad guys try to steal one.

Also, how the f*ck do you get a drone stolen? God damn POGs. The Navy hasn't even done anything badass since WWII.

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Nuclear Boaty McBoatface
12/18/16 8:21 am

I wasn't aware that keeping international trade flowing and peace in the worlds oceans was useless. Ignorant.

dudley northern Virginia woods
12/17/16 8:36 pm

Maybe they thought they were being spied on. They probably are anyway, so it would have been a valid assumption. News reports from the government have gaps wide enough to drive a submarine through...

TiredofIt Texas
12/17/16 8:20 pm

30% of respondents are stupid.

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nekmor Round Rock TX
12/17/16 8:00 pm

There is a reason it's called international waters. There should be no further question.

The problem is the leadership of our country has proven themselves to be feckless and impotent. As such and Russia and China feel comfortable at pushing every advantage and rubbing our nose in our weakness at every conceivable opportunity.

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CdtLJM New Jersey
12/17/16 7:47 pm

Alright, we were in their understood territory. They had every right to stop a drone in their area. If Russia parked an underwater drone off of Long Island sound, we would not be so kind.

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wildcatfan1993 kentucky
12/17/16 7:19 pm

They took it in international waters it wasn't exactly threatening thier coastlines

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DoctorWasdarb Marxist Leninist Maoist
12/17/16 6:35 pm

No, but we weren't in our right to put a drone there either.

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fredd TrumpLand
12/18/16 1:36 am

Why not?

fredd TrumpLand
12/18/16 6:37 pm

Do you have a problem with the USA doing Oceanography in international waters?

DoctorWasdarb Marxist Leninist Maoist
12/18/16 8:26 pm

No, but that's a naïve interpretation of the situation.

DoctorWasdarb Marxist Leninist Maoist
12/19/16 4:09 am

Geopolitics. The US is trying to piss off China.

fredd TrumpLand
12/20/16 8:58 pm

What makes you think that?

DoctorWasdarb Marxist Leninist Maoist
12/21/16 5:41 am

We've been doing it for a while. Economically with the TPP, geopolitically by condemning their expansion into the South China Sea, violating international law. Ordinarily that'd be okay, but we only condemn international law violators who we don't like.

fredd TrumpLand
12/21/16 1:40 pm

First of all, this was Oceanography. I don't see why you think that is designed to be provocative.

And it seems like you are fine with China annexing a huge area of the South China Sea?

DoctorWasdarb Marxist Leninist Maoist
12/21/16 3:10 pm

I'm not fine with China annexing huge parts of the South China Sea. My original comment said I didn't believe they had the right to take the drone. The reason is that it was in international waters. China does not own the sea, and they don't have the right to assert their dominance in it.

Zod Above Pugetropolis
12/17/16 5:39 pm

Was it still operational at the time, or had it become a derelict hazard to navigation? Because it seems like if it was good enough to even want back, it would have been able to evade them, never mind that it should have been as difficult for them to find as for us to keep track of in the first place.

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wildcatfan1993 kentucky
12/17/16 7:17 pm

It was an underwater drone used to map the ocean floor it wasnt exacty stealthy in the first place

gonzoboy Arizona
12/17/16 5:26 pm

I'm tired of China thinking they own the world, when actually, WE do!😬

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victor314
12/17/16 5:16 pm

If a Chinese drone were the same distance from our shore would everyone be ok with that? Considering it would still be international waters.

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Nuclear Boaty McBoatface
12/18/16 8:23 am

We would not seize it.

Liberty Lets Use Logic
12/17/16 5:14 pm

Can't say without knowing the exact location.

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elianastar Gab.ai FreeSpeech
12/17/16 5:14 pm

In international waters? No, they had no right to touch it.

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MericaTakesAll For God and Country
12/17/16 4:54 pm

It would be in China's best interest to let sleeping dogs lie. It would be in our best interest to wake the hell up.

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phalnx Ohio
12/17/16 4:35 pm

No they weren't. It was in international waters, not sovereign Chinese territory. Anybody has the right to have anything in international waters.

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theNobamist Silicon Valley
12/17/16 4:21 pm

The U.S. ship should have "given warning". Theft on the open sea is piracy and illegal.

See what Obama has done to the military?

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SauceBoss nj
12/17/16 8:00 pm

Was unmanned

cowboy Come on, man
12/17/16 4:10 pm

Of course. We don't belong there.

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theNobamist Silicon Valley
12/17/16 4:20 pm

It was in open international waters.

LiamIberianCelt Georgia
12/17/16 4:36 pm

It was international water…

Crawdaddy11 MIMNAZMN
12/17/16 3:59 pm

I don't care as long as we get the whole crew back I heard they have been torturing them and demanding USA top secret stuff and stuff

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Okie1967 Defend the Police
12/17/16 4:31 pm

Unmanned drone.

kommiscum
12/17/16 4:33 pm

wow, where do you receive your information?

Crawdaddy11 MIMNAZMN
12/17/16 5:14 pm

They were all women wow you dude-bros must be pretty embarrassed right bout now

Crawdaddy11 MIMNAZMN
12/17/16 5:30 pm

I know man these guys don't get politics or submarines or china bruh

phalnx Ohio
12/17/16 7:07 pm

You're in a trolling kind of mood today :D

Crawdaddy11 MIMNAZMN
12/17/16 7:11 pm

🐠🐟🐑🏊🏽

IEatzCookies Look at my pfp
12/17/16 3:55 pm

Anyone who says they had that right aren't real Americans

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lj74
12/17/16 3:53 pm

Our ship was in international waters. If we weren't and it wasn't documented by a satellite they would never have returned the underwater drone.

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CoffeeNow Fiery but peaceful rioter
12/17/16 3:51 pm

Don't accept it! It probably has 10,000 chinamen hiding inside it. Trojan horse anyone?

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AmericanWolf For the Benefit of All
12/17/16 3:50 pm

No, but I respect that they're returning it.

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LiamIberianCelt Georgia
12/17/16 4:36 pm

It was international water, so yes they should.

schristo
12/17/16 3:45 pm

Can not believe that 20% + see nothing wrong with this. Seriously folks. Are that many Americans uneducated...or afraid of China... or just that plain ignorant. Wow! Just wow!

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HoosierFan
12/17/16 4:25 pm

Uneducated and ignorant are two sides of the same coin, but to answer your question, yes.

elianastar Gab.ai FreeSpeech
12/17/16 6:10 pm

I dunno. I've met a lot of ignorant intellectuals w/college degrees. Just sayin'

schristo
12/17/16 6:13 pm

Concur

phalnx Ohio
12/17/16 7:10 pm

Yup. College degree does not equal intelligence or common sense. Of course, it should help...

elianastar Gab.ai FreeSpeech
12/17/16 8:30 pm

One would think, but it's happened so often I no longer presume πŸ˜†

MadCow former trumper
12/17/16 3:43 pm

It's a provocation. They're trying to grab as much territory as they can during the transition chaos here in the US.

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Okie1967 Defend the Police
12/17/16 4:33 pm

.....before a real president enters office, you mean. Obama can act on this today if he wanted to

Harry3603 Tampa Bay Florida.
12/17/16 3:31 pm

No, they violated International Maritime Law

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LiamIberianCelt Georgia
12/17/16 4:38 pm

It was in international water…

NK257 Rural Iowa
12/17/16 3:20 pm

It was in international waters, so the question is wrong

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truenuff
12/17/16 3:14 pm

No
It was international waters and China was wrong.

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Zach21 California
12/17/16 3:05 pm

Go home SOH, you're drunk.

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CoffeeNow Fiery but peaceful rioter
12/17/16 3:04 pm

It was just an Amazon drone delivering a package

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Diogenes Trump Redux
12/17/16 3:23 pm

CNN reported it was a Pizza Hut delivery.

rons on top of the world MA
12/17/16 3:36 pm

Did it come from Hillary's and Podesta's Pizzeria?

Diogenes Trump Redux
12/17/16 3:47 pm

No, that was the decapitated, life size, suspended artwork.