Do you think that modern Christmas should focus more on the spirit of giving and being charitable, or the birth of Christ.
Jesus would definitely not approve of today's Christians or their xmas. As most of it is all pagan.
We don't even know when Jesus was actually born. It's celebrated on such an arbitrary date, March 25 and May 20 were also potential dates when they were deciding when.
I think the spirit is less about his actual birth (because it's not even his birthday), and more about the spirit of giving that allowed him to survive after being born, according to the stories.
As an atheist, we celebrate Christmas and focus on the giving spirit.
The birth of Christ, of course. That's what the day is all about.
Hmm, focus more on something that may have happened thousands of years ago or focus on people who legitimately need serious assistance today just to survive? I think the answer is clear.
Well the holiday is to celebrate the "thing that might have happened thousands of years ago." Why do you need a special day to focus on people who need assistance and why did you choose this specific holiday to be that special day?
I don't, but apparently religious folk do need a special holiday for it.
Then why are you the one saying it? You tried to critisize religious people for not focusing on helping others on Christmas, then claim that it is the only day religious people help others. That's ridiculous.
But let's take it seriously, even if it's just for a minute. We need a special day to help people? I along with many people I know volunteered at a soup kitchen every week (until I went across the country for college). There are many similar religious charities that operate more than one day a year.
So I don't think you know what you're talking about.
Blame the fellows who decided to attribute "giving" with this season. No, I claim the great majority of religious people tend to not care about the less fortunate enough to give except when it's the Christmas season. Good for you. However, the majority of Americans don't routinely give out of the kindness of their hearts. If you cannot see that simple fact then I cannot even continue this conversation.
You're referring to two different groups of people. "The religious majority" and "the majority of Americans." While many Americans claim to be Christian, I doubt that most of them are practicing. Many were just raised Christian, decided to stick with the label, and that's that.
I can believe that the majority of Americans are not charitable except around Christmas, but would you care to provide stastics regarding the majority of religious people?
Oh, there's the old excuse Christians use when most of their following does not act as they should. "The only real Christian is the Christian that I am!" The majority of religious people coincides with the majority of Americans. Those are just simple facts.
Call it whatever you like. Most of the "Christians" I know even admit they don't care about the religion. They don't go to church, some of them aren't even sure if they believe in God. So you calling it an excuse is just a cop out.
I'll ask again: please provide statistics to support your claims or else they're just that.
I'm sure that's true. It's a well known fact that the majority of Americans associate with Christianity. Your own anecdotal evidence you used to back your claim can be used to support that. Oh, and by the way, you don't need to go to church to be religious.
Just because people "associate" with Christianity, does not mean they are practicing Christians. And the Christian religion calls people to attend mass. At least for Catholicism, it is a grave sin not to attend mass weekly. So either these people don't care about the afterlife or they don't believe in it, at least not in the way the religion they claim to belong to does.
Most people know that many people who claim to be part of a religion (especially Christian) are not actually religious. I won't speak for you as to whether you know it, but I assume you do.
Anyway, you're ignoring a few things, blatantly. Your original contradiction, plus your failure to provide any semblance of evidence.
I'm not sure why it should be one or the other. Celebrate the birth of Christ ... God's gift to humanity and tie that to why there should be a spirit of giving and forgiveness!
I focus on the spirit of giving and secular elements of the holiday, but I'm not at all religious. However, considering our country is over 70% Christian, the answer that makes the most sense is the birth of Christ.
Mainly, the birth of Christ, but both answer choices are connected.