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You dumb

Funny dumb though. Lol

Liberals have, factually, destroyed the western world

"Factually?"
You wouldn't know a fucking fact if it punched you in the mouth you dumb ass sack of shit!
Booo! You suck! Go fuck yourself clown!

This is why I don't often debate liberals.

Devils advocate here. What about the loss of privacy, the increased obesity rates, tech as job killer, cyber warfare, loss of the ability to communicate effectively face to face, AI warnings by Steven Hawking and others...?

Trump has promised to fix everything.... himself, believe me!

Poll Q, for iPad users:

Would you say you're generally optimistic about the future, or pessimistic?

I have to agree. Smarter people tend to realize how the world actually works.

More democrats are pessimistic than republicans, so what's that tell you about the latter's intelligence?

I would argue that would be different if Hillary won the election

I'm sure there is. There is political comments on questions about puppies vs kittens on this app.

Not *too* much, but think did try to pull some bullshit on me below.

(Ahh spell check. How I love thee)

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"Lucifer" lost and a bigot one. Yay 21st century...

Just wait. Next election we will have Satan and a reincarnated Hitler competing for the presidency.

Well spoken.

You're like those conservatives who thought the world was ending when obama got elected lol. Get a grip on reality son

Idiot

Phal ... thanks to Mr Trump we will finally emerge from the Obama morass and the wilderness of Democrat depression!

Our children now have reason to hope that the future will again reward the industrious and hold accountable the lazy.

We have not been in a depression by any means. I'm not an Obama fan, but we haven't been in a depression.

Think, I just made six figures for the first time in my life under that 'morass,' thanks to my great union trucking job...which is a bellwether for our economy. Tell me again what the Republican (and Trumpian) position is on Labor Unions.

Oh, and I just worked 14 hours driving through a snow and ice storm. There's a 'lazy union worker' for you.

Phal ... I don't speak for Mr Trump. I can tell you that having been forced to join a union when younger. I'm very grateful to be free of the AFLCIO for thirty plus years.

Union's are a cancer on society and should be disbanded.

No one 'forced' you to join, Think...we're all free to choose what jobs we want and can get, and unions themselves are democratic organizations. You'll be missing that AFL/CIO pension you would've gotten when you retire.

No shop ever unionizes without a majority vote from the people working there. They're elected collective bargaining agents that get workers much better pay and benefits for what they do. That's hardly a 'cancer' on society. More like a choice.

Phal ... I see you really don't understand. I was hired by the company. I was content to work for the company. I was forced to join the union. Iowa is a closed-shop state.

I understand. Ohio is too. That shop was either Union when you hired in, or the Union was voted in by a majority of your coworkers. Democracy happens. I've been through an unsuccessful attempt to unionize...I know how it works.

Aaah, I see...yes, the company initially hires you, and later you have to join the Union after a probation period. That changes nothing...I'm sure you were well aware that it was a union shop before you applied for a job there.

You could've just stuck it out and accepted promotion to foreman or supervisor, and boom, you're out of the Union. Why you would want to do that I have no idea.

Phal ... the union strangled the company. They finally shut the doors -- after 80 years -- because of the greed of the union thugs!

It's sometimes tough to know what the real reasons are (could've been corporate greed), but it's in no one's best interest when that happens, including the Union's. Good ones have competition clauses and such in their contracts to prevent that.

Phal ... of course you can kick up fear, uncertainty and doubt from afar. I lived it up close. I saw the price of our products fall as the union demanded even higher wages.

I saw the company struggle and finally shut the doors, leaving 550 people out of work. In 1980, I made $40k as an unskilled meat cutter. That was a HUGE salary! My base was $18.60/hr and we got plenty of bonus and overtime because the union standard was held artificially low.

The company closed. The plant remained unused for two years. The Iowa Beef Processors bought it and opened it with no union. The workers are now paid $6.50/hr and no bonus.

Oh, and who do you think the plant superintendent is ... yep the old union president.

Think, I'm not unfamiliar with how that stuff works. You all elected your union president, you had input on contract negotiations...which should've been tied closely to company profits or lack thereof, and you said yourself that you made out

like a bandit on union wages as compared to nonunion ones. When a company fails, many factors are involved, and when a union is involved in this failure, there's plenty of blame to go around...they wouldn't have pushed for higher wages during a

downturn if they weren't being pushed by the rank-and-filers...that's suicide. Many unions have made big concessions during bad times. The fact that your meatcutter plant was closed doesn't invalidate the whole principle of collective bargaining.

I've worked nonunion trucking jobs before, and I know which I prefer...and honestly, I'm sure you do too. I also have confidence that we'll be just fine, because our Union does what we tell it to do. No one asks for a raise in bad times.

Phal ... and you think the majority in my union thought their union was in trouble? Almost all of the guys I worked with had bought all the toys and houses based on the expectation of continued work.

The greed of the union led discussions led directly to the demise of the plant. Then, so "committed " to his union brothers, the president abandon his so-called views to become the superintendent.

Union's in the 1920s served a purpose. Today they are thugs extorting money from business to perpetuate more fraud. Consumers pay a heavy tax for these thugs.

Why? Why not be happy about what the future may hold? Look forward to the small joys in life and quit looking at the giant picture. No one has to change the world to be happy.

Because we elected a WHITE MALE!

Look, Donald Trump doesn't matter. As long as you are breathing, life is good. Again, the little things, like first waking up in the morning and not knowing what stupid crap you did the day before for around 30 seconds, is probably the best feeling in the world 😂

The word is "probably".

Yup, that is a key word. But what is it that makes you all not look at the happy side of things? Being pessimistic about just about anything hasn't helped anyone.

Congratulations!!

Nice work GF! Congrats!

You went to fuck college? How did you get in I hear they have crazy tough admission requirements!

Yeah, fuck college ain't for pussies...you really need to give a shit and bust your ass!

Congrats Gun!

Hey watch the language man fuck college is a private Christian school and strictly prohibits cursing

Thank you all. The SoH community never lets me down with the hilarity.

Great job, gun!

Congrats! What's next?

Nice! What's the bachelor's in?

General studies, and I'm looking into doing law enforcement for a few years then doing private security contracting overseas after that.

I like money (like, a lot) and I'm not afraid to do bad things to bad people in bad places, so security contracting will be right up my alley.

That's funny because before Election Day I was pessimistic and now I'm totally optimistic!

I'm sure there are several people who are thus misguided.

Lmao. Same with you bub. Hillary was never going to bring anything good to America, we at least have a chance now.

A chance of going to war.

And a chance of winning a war. And a chance for better jobs. And a chance for security. And a chance for lawfulness. And, and, and....

And a chance to live in a world completely unbound by facts and evidence.

RJ ... since MrO unilaterally disarmed and snatched defeat from the arms of victory, we've been at an increasingly greater risk of war. Let's hope that intelligence will overcome the era of Obama arrogance and we can return to a world of relative peace.

You're expecting greater peace with an idiot bully like Trump in the white house?
Don't hold your breath

You expect we can go lower in the area of peace with how badly Syria is burning and ISIS is running the show in so many places? That's terrifying.

Lol. Unbound by facts and evidence coming from the people who are blaming Hillary losing on the Russians but claim there is no way any illegal could have voted. Lmao!

Brent ... is peace what you call the morass that MrO is leaving?

Things aren't perfect now, but Trump is the poster child for "the ugly American", there isn't anything in Trump's history to suggest that he's got the capacity to make it better

You guys are too into it. Enjoy the holiday season!

Lol. But Hillary would have? Ya right.

Listen I don't like either of them. I've never seen or heard of two worse possible candidates for president in the history of the United States to be honest. But at least Hillary could speak in proper sentences.

Ya I think "bigly" was the word of this election haha. But they literally was the only thing going going for her and her arrogance and corruption proved to damaging for voters to trust the presidency to her.

I know too, and stop calling me heaven

That didn't make any sense, you are not Heaven!

You're misuse of grammar allowed for a joke that went straight over your head mate lol

Yes, I get it. You have a mean streak, don't you?

Who me? Or the reference to the joke from Airplane?

Was ... I'd suggest that you're just desperate to draw attention to yourself by posing as strange.

It's true. I'm optimistic about the future, but cynical about the past and present.

Was ... you're just another snowflake crying for attention.

Why the hell did you feel the need to respond? You're just being a dick for the sake of being a dick.

Was ... no, just musing that you seem to need relevance by over complicating nearly ever topic.

Who said anything about needing relevance? This app is about having fun. Why do you feel the need to criticize me on even the most banal topics?

One correction, Doc. This place USED to be about having fun.

I used to have Think on ignore for things like this.

Was ... and your response was totally reasonable, right?

Which one? You said a lot of condescending things for me to respond to.

Was ... fascinating! I didn't ask about what I said, now did I? Isn't it interesting that when I ask you to take responsibility for YOUR own comments, you look at my comments instead.

Why do you think that is?

I was asking which of my comments you want me to take responsibility for. I'm willing to take responsibility for everything I say online, including comments in this thread. But what the hell are you on about?

Was ... at 1:02pm MST, you said:

"Why the hell did you feel the need to respond? You're just being a d**k for the sake of being a d**k."

Yes, I take responsibility for that comment. I don't know why the hell you do it, but you rarely hesitate to find something to harass me about. I don't know why the hell you do it.

Yes, I take responsibility for that comment. I don't know why the hell you do it, but you rarely hesitate to find something to harass me about. I don't know why the hell you do it.

Was ... I guess your a victim, aren't you! You make ridiculous statements but don't want to be accountable for them. Yep, you're a leftist.

I just said I take full responsibility for the comment, and that I want to be accountable for everything I say online. Where are you coming up with this bullshit?

Wow, Think...to get under DoctorWasdarb's skin...that's a real talent you have lol!

Phal ... don't be ridiculous yet again.

I like everything you have to say except that "China and India will be poverty free in the 21st century". Sorry but no they won't. America still has poverty and we've been fighting a War On Poverty for over 50 years and made no serious progress.

Funny, that's one of the few things that has me optimistic

Mine too! 🍷🍹🍸🍺

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