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Show Of Hands December 16th, 2016 9:45pm

In general, do you think Obama kept his 2008 campaign promises?

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Sharknado Colo
12/20/16 9:39 pm

He said he would broadcast senate committee meetings? Nobody brings up that lie.

SD37 South Dakota
12/20/16 2:10 pm

I hate to say it but I think Bill Clinton did a better job as president than Obama.

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SonofThunder peace
12/20/16 9:34 am

Haha nah. But I wonder which presidents will be able to in this increasingly polarized political system?

Let's see if trump can. Who knows?

ladyniner81 Embrace your inner dork
12/20/16 8:56 am

My memory is so bad I can't remember what they were 😔

Soxfan824 Jesus was a liberal
12/19/16 4:34 pm

He would have kept many more if he had a cooperative congress instead of a legislature intent on preventing him from accomplishing anything. Which led us to where we are today. People so desperate for someone outside the political sphere that they were willing to elect a candidate who is patently unqualified for the job.

jdengel
12/20/16 5:15 am

Member when the democrats had a supermajority in the senate and a majority in the house?

Soxfan824 Jesus was a liberal
12/20/16 10:15 am

Oh I get it... they did it too so that makes it ok. Clearly your line of thinking is part of the problem. I don't condone it on either side of the aisle. Somewhere along the line, the job of congress has changed from legislating to preventing the other side from accomplishing anything--rendering the whole system ineffective. The solution is not to elect a buffoon who is completely unqualified. If you really want to send a message to congress, vote every single one of them out. #turnovercongress. I know that there are many good representives on both sides of the aisle, but it would be the best way to affect real change. But hey, I'm sure that Trump won't alienate anyone or be divisive while in office. Cuz you know, he's making America great again.

jdengel
12/20/16 5:58 pm

I didn't say anything about Trump, for the record I'm a libertarian.

You complained about congress obstructing Obama, my point was that for two years, Obama could have passed any bill he choose.

jdengel
12/19/16 4:07 am

Member when Obama said he would take China to the mat on trade policies? Sure I member

Soxfan824 Jesus was a liberal
12/20/16 10:18 am

And to be fair, part of his divisiveness is because of his skin color. Please don't pretend otherwise.

lmkeller
12/21/16 8:08 pm

Love the South Park reference.

roybiker12
12/18/16 12:11 pm

He campaigned as a unifier..he became the most divisive POTUS of my lifetime.

throwback Dixie
12/18/16 9:28 am

None of them keep their promises... Ever! Each one is worse. Why do you all still believe them and passionately vote for them every four years.

We have to let them know we will hold them accountable and not accept this.

iosuserinwv West Virginia
12/18/16 8:45 am

He did promise to bankrupt the coal industry and have our power bills skyrocket. That campaign promise was kept and destroyed our state and great paying jobs! Oh well, I guess we can now get one of these great minimum wage jobs that they have created.

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smacc DunningKruger
12/18/16 1:50 am

He tried yes. I don't think he could have been anymore successful. That is greatly our fault.

Tolstoy Missouri
12/17/16 10:11 pm

Could've done more for the healthcare system and could've been quicker on other things but overall yes

IDontCare1999
12/17/16 5:45 pm

I'm still waiting for Gitomo Bay to close. lol not really.

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otto Olean, NY
12/17/16 1:08 pm

Far too many of them, unfortunately. He certainly "fundamentally transformed" the nation into a bunch of people constantly at each others' throats while diluting our impact on the world. He transformed us from America into another run-of-the-mill nation.

CoffeeNow Fiery but peaceful rioter
12/17/16 11:51 am

He promised to leave, so there's that

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Jazzy5 USA
12/17/16 10:10 am

He did fundamentally change this nation!
Not for the better! Sadly.

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ShinShin412
12/17/16 12:47 pm

What reality do you live in?

ozzy
12/17/16 8:50 am

No. He did pretty much the opposite of what he promised

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borny33
12/17/16 9:54 am

Like???

Crawdaddy11 MIMNAZMN
12/17/16 9:56 am

To like a comment all you gotta do is tap the blue "Like" you don't have to type it out.

borny33
12/17/16 10:38 am

For the dense individuals...like what things did he do that were the opposite!

corino Utah
12/17/16 12:56 pm

He's asking for examples.

lmkeller
12/21/16 8:10 pm

They were being sarcastic, but one so dense as you probably couldn't pick up on that.

Forgetabouit
12/17/16 7:56 am

He was a weak president and he allowed blacks to think they were a less class and not worthy ... they are worthy they are American like the rest of us stop listening to CNN they live division

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jstahl Build that wall
12/17/16 6:37 am

He kept enough to hurt us, but not enough to destroy us. Does it count as keeping a campaign promise if he passed Obamacare, but in doing so broke the promises that we could keep our doctors, our premiums would go down, and that it wouldn't add one dime to the deficit? Seems like a net loss in promises to me.

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pr3ttypee Brooklyn, NY
12/17/16 6:16 am

Honestly no, but I doubt Trump will do any better.... he can't even hold his word for a month

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Doopy Remedial Americanism
12/17/16 6:03 am

50/50. He delivered on the change, but not the hope.

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brentwho Home
12/17/16 3:03 am

When everything is taken into account, I expect history to judge Obama as an above average President.

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Truconservative Jesus is conservative
12/17/16 12:08 am

NO. This is one of the big reasons he is a horrible president

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WallyBarbuckle
12/17/16 8:21 am

Continued and expanded every single Bush policy (especially regarding war and NSA).

ItsYourBoy Roman Empire
12/17/16 5:25 pm

When it came to war all he did was switched US army personnel with Isis and jihadi groups.

ProbablyEug Oakland
12/16/16 11:19 pm

He did what he could. I think if there were promises he couldn't keep because his plans were blocked at every turn, that's not his fault.

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TomM
12/17/16 7:23 am

He had both the house and the senate with solid democratic majorities the first two years. You cannot blame the republicans for that. In the past major new laws or changes such as social security etc have passed with bipartisan support. If he had worked with all sides he could have had much more success. He forced his own agenda through in the beginning. It was his way or the highway and the republicans chose the highway.

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Swanny88
12/17/16 2:46 pm

He had a super majority for 4 months (when the ACA was passed.)

Survivalistien I am Green and Retired
12/16/16 11:12 pm

The only change he permitted was worsening race relations by allowing the media to explode on the negative side of these moral issues instead of finding a solution.

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RagingMystic covfefe
12/17/16 2:39 am

Because the president controls the media

cowboy Come on, man
12/16/16 10:21 pm

His promise to fundamentally change our American culture that he hates so much? He did a great job.

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raywygo Pittsburgh
12/16/16 9:57 pm

We will have affordable healthcare. Premiums go up %100. Good one there Obama.

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Wizzobutter
12/16/16 9:45 pm

He promised a public option would be in his healthcare plan. Never happened.

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WallyBarbuckle
12/16/16 9:19 pm

Fuck no! He continued every single Bush policy he promised to stop, which is what made me ditch liberals for good and made me realize I'm mostly libertarian.

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suppressedID Shut up man
12/16/16 10:07 pm

You're joking. He spent 6 years undoing the Gordian clusterfükk that W left him.

nacho
12/16/16 10:22 pm

Yup - never the messiah's fault - always must be someone else. Same as the lying liar -not her fault -Russians, racists, homophobes, xenophobia etc.

suppressedID Shut up man
12/16/16 10:46 pm

Perhaps you're not good at math: did you see the smoking crater of an economy that W dropped on O. We still haven't recovered completely - it took a fükking Marshall Plan. Throw in a worthless Congress who intentionally blocked every action and you tell me how anything gets done.

If he were really the Messiah, this wouldn't have affected him.

Truconservative Jesus is conservative
12/17/16 12:09 am

Liberals always blaming everything on Bush. If you just look at Obama's presidency vs Bush's, Obama is definitely way worse

RagingMystic covfefe
12/17/16 2:40 am

I mean look at the rate of increase in the debt in each of them and it'll be pretty clear

RagingMystic covfefe
12/17/16 2:45 am

You realize bush had a 200% increase and Obama's at about 80% right? Are you familiar with derivatives? Or even slope?

Truconservative Jesus is conservative
12/17/16 2:52 am

Yep. Obama is way worse

RagingMystic covfefe
12/17/16 2:52 am

The data disagrees

RagingMystic covfefe
12/17/16 2:57 am

I think we pretty accurately measured the debt over the last years

RagingMystic covfefe
12/17/16 3:01 am

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_debt_of_the_United_States
Here, you can even just look at the first picture. You see how between 2005 and 2008 still under bush the debt spikes? Then it continues going up through Obama because the republican congress literally shuts down the government before they change it, and then finally a budget gets passed and the slope levels off

Truconservative Jesus is conservative
12/17/16 3:46 am

Keep twisting up facts all you want, doesn't change that Obama is a horrible president

WallyBarbuckle
12/17/16 8:14 am

Drone bombings in even more countries. Destroyed Libya and Syria. Continued and expanded Patriot Act. NDAA. Constantly taunting Russia. Funding "rebels" in Syria (ISIS), creating the migrant Dow funding by Soros. Bailouts. LMFAO.

Are you fuckers retarded? Do you even remember '08 and why he won? He won because he ran to end the wars. Didn't happen one bit. Yeah he removed a few troops. But he kept bombing and bombing and bombing and is still bombing and bombing.

I'm an anti-war voter and he didn't uphold one promise in that domain. So shut your bitch ass moufs.

WallyBarbuckle
12/17/16 8:18 am

This wasn't a question about economics (and in the real world our economy hasn't improved since '08, just the pumped up stock market and multi-nationals). It was a question about campaign promises. He promised to end/reverse the Bush years, when in fact he continued and expanded every single Bush policy.

Liberals who don't understand this are exactly why your party has Zero future. You can't even look in the mirror. You turned in to a rabid pack of war whores and you don't even know it.

nacho
12/17/16 12:29 pm

Obama had both houses of Congress and the Presidency for 2 years.
What did they accomplish?
Stop blaming others for the poor performance of Obama, Reid and Pelosi.
They doubled the debt -that's all we need to know - remember the debt that Obama called Bush unpatriotic because he raised it a little? I guess doubling it is Patriotic.

RagingMystic covfefe
12/17/16 12:32 pm

Actually its about 80%. And he decreased the rate at which it increased, which is the best anyone can do

iosuserinwv West Virginia
12/18/16 8:38 am

Bush's 2009 budget had the Wall Street and auto bailouts, of which the democrats tout as them saving the economy, as well as, the Obama stimulus package in it. That is why his last year budget deficit was so high. His budget deficits for the other years were not that high and makes him look like a financial genius compared to Mr. Trillion dollar deficit! Finally the adults reigned him in the last few year to make him look respectable or as you guys call it "obstructing him". History will look at GWB more favorable than BHO! These last eight years have been the worst years since the depression!!!

suppressedID Shut up man
12/18/16 9:22 am

You're high. W almost had us on bread lines when O took over. Short of re-forming the WPA, Obama worked a miracle. I'm sorry that he couldn't wave a magic wand for you, but fixing really broken s#it takes time.

iosuserinwv West Virginia
12/18/16 9:31 am

You must be on too much Obamacare drugs! The economy was doing good until the Demoncrats took over Congress in 2007 and passed a minimum wage increase that started this downward spiral. Your policies of tax and spend never work!

tractorman Make Good Trouble
12/16/16 9:14 pm

I believe he tried but was met with republicans who unilaterally opposed anything he wanted to do to help American citizens, even some policies that they wrote and promoted before he took them up! Their opposition to ANY proposal he had bordered on treason! Now they got Trump...ha-ha-ha- what they deserve...

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nacho
12/16/16 10:23 pm

Yup -laugh all the way to the protest site.

BathroomKing23 Nevada
12/16/16 11:09 pm

Yeah well when bush was in office, it was a democratic congress that stopped him from doing anything productive. And then people blame bush for not getting anything productive done

qball2801 Texas
12/16/16 7:47 pm

What like keep your doctor

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chrism75 Dixie
12/16/16 7:41 pm

Change CHANGE Change

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notalib Trump Supporter
12/16/16 7:26 pm

Obama kept one promise, to fundamentally transform America and boy did he ever.

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Zod Above Pugetropolis
12/16/16 7:10 pm

Weren't closing Gitmo and getting out of Afghanistan on that list? Just an observation, not a complaint. Fixing the ridiculous Cuba thing that was screwed up for most of my life, and the marriage thing that had been screwed up forever, weren't on the list, but make up a little for the things that were but didn't get done.

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nacho
12/16/16 7:00 pm

Better question -which one did he keep?
Great campaigner - terrible president.

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HoosierFan
12/16/16 6:57 pm

All of them? No. Guantanamo is open and the Patriot Act was renewed, not repealed.

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elcondor Rural Southern Indiana
12/16/16 6:42 pm

Thank GOD he failed! Although he tried to "fundamentally transform" our nation, he failed.

Proof?

DONALD J TRUMP!!!

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FacePalm That Trick Never Works
12/16/16 7:34 pm

I prefer to believe that the majority of this country are much, much, better people than PEDJT.

FloridaPopulist Nationalist Right
12/16/16 6:32 pm

Change my ass, he turned out to be one of the biggest corporate establishment sellout demagogue presidents in all of American history. And i'm using the word demagogue because he promised change to get elected and didn't deliver and instead kept the neo-liberal status quo. Although i'm not sure i would have wanted that change.... That leftists is what a demagogue is

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HoosierFan
12/16/16 7:02 pm

Wrong.

The definition of demagogue:
a political leader who tries to get support by making false claims and promises and using arguments based on emotion rather than reason.

No drama Obama hardly fits the definition. Sounds like Donald Trump, though, doesn't it?

theNobamist Silicon Valley
12/16/16 7:21 pm

Hoosier you crack me up.
Oblather said all he needs is his cell phone and a pen to govern.

kommiscum
12/16/16 7:25 pm

i think obama fits it quite well, he appeals to the standard democrats emotions while lying about some of the true horrors within his foreign and domestic policy. behind the facade of "humanitarianism" we see the real reason we are in syria; to balkanize the region so saudi arabia and qatar can build pipelines into europe.

he lies endlessly while his establishment goons echo it through the media: "you can keep your doctor", "there is no liberty tax", "didn't know hillary used a private server", "hope and change"(bombing in 7 countries, still in two wars, expanded gitmo with indefinite detention, expanded nsa spying, used irs to target political enemies, etc)

i could go on forever how he is a demagogue. im not even some crazy right-winger even as you probably think. obama is a blatant corporatist when you look at the facts. all but one in his entire cabinet was suggested, vetted, and ultimately chosen by citigroup.

FloridaPopulist Nationalist Right
12/16/16 8:33 pm

Hoosier, lmao Obama didn't make false promises, and appeal to emotion? He lied about hope and change did he not? Those aren't logical or policy oriented reasons to vote for someone yet that was his entire campaign. Was it not? And the claim I made was in reaction to the mainstream media smearing trump as a demagogue.

HoosierFan
12/16/16 8:45 pm

Actually, I'm pretty sure Obama meant to bring both hope and change. He certainly delivered hope to many people who felt hopeless during the Bush years. And the change he brought is undeniable.

I find it hard to believe there's nothing that Obama did that you don't like.

Gays can marry, serve openly in the military and live and work in the open. Isn't that great?

The government no longer spies on Americans without a warrant.

We dot torture prisoners any more.

Millions of people have health insurance.

You may disagree with how some of those things were accomplished, but you must at least like sons of the end results.

I though Bush 44 was terrible and an embarrassment to our nation, but even though I have such low regard for him as president I think his contribution to fighting AIDS in Africa was a truly great accomplishment.

HoosierFan
12/16/16 8:47 pm

Oh, and anyone capable of unbiased, rational analysis sees that Trump is a demagogue, a misogynist and a race baiter.

He was a birther for Pete's sake! That's ignorance or bigotry however you look at it. You do know Obama is an American born citizen, right? If not, you're wasting my time.

kommiscum
12/16/16 9:20 pm

it was the supreme court who made it legal for gay people to marry. not everything during a presidents tenure is of them.

heres a fee things he's done that are just great!
-we are bombing in 8 countries, often bypassing congressional approval (after they say no, and without asking) by using an old war on terror bill
-we made record arms deals with saudi arabia, who turn around and destroy yemen or fund/support isis
-obamacare was a right wing plan pushed by nixon and the heritage foundation
-arm terrorists to overthrow countries we do not like
-90% of drone casualties are not the correct target, often civilian
-used irs to target political opponents
-knew hillary clinton used a private server, lied to america
-all but one in cabinet was chosen by citigroup
-talks about closing gitmo, strengthens it, in gitmo they may rape you anally to get information
-the nsa has expanded tremendously under obama

there is much, much more, and worse, but character limit. i care little about rhetoric

PyroSadist like my comments follow
12/16/16 5:42 pm

Well he did promise to fundamentally change America... But you know he did not say it would be for the better

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Isomax TIC TOC
12/16/16 5:37 pm

If he promised to get finger paint on the walls and leave his Legos in all the places people walk and train all the neighborhood dogs how to chase a lil white dimpled ball then sure, job well done. Now go home.

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Odysseus We All Need A Fantasy
12/16/16 5:21 pm

No, you can't force hope and change on a public that prefers fear and hate.

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nacho
12/16/16 7:03 pm

...Or rational thought to platitudes.
Get to your safe space zir or zer or zis or ???? -let the adults have the room for awhile.

MrWalrus Undergrid
12/16/16 7:16 pm

The only people pushing fear and hate are the ones threatening electors with death and whining in the streets.

phalnx Ohio
12/16/16 5:19 pm

Yeah, he pretty much did. He reformed health care...though not nearly to the extent he wanted to..., he turned our economy around and hit his targets for unemployment and deficit reduction, he restored good relations with Europe,...

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phalnx Ohio
12/16/16 5:21 pm

He finally got us out of Iraq (mostly), and he did a few bonus things like make nice with Iran and Cuba...all in the face of complete Republican opposition. Imagine what he could've done with their help!

cornybread The Large Malus Fruit
12/16/16 5:30 pm

Can you envision the day when extreme conservatives will accept the idea of being led by a black democrat? I can't.

phalnx Ohio
12/16/16 5:33 pm

I'd like to think it was just partisanship rather than racism. I'm sure some fit that profile, though.

phalnx Ohio
12/16/16 5:37 pm

I can't see tlaney, shippy, Tired, Gun, etc., being racist...at least on here, the goodhearted Conservatives far outnumber the bad ones.

cornybread The Large Malus Fruit
12/16/16 5:41 pm

I don't disagree there, but I do feel like there is some unconscious racism in people's dislike for him, even though that dislike is mainly rooted in political matters. I think people are still more willing to make excuses for white dudes than they are for women and people of color. I mean, what the hell does Donald trump have to do for his supporters to stop making excuses for him? That question scares me because I really don't know the answer.

Truconservative Jesus is conservative
12/17/16 12:14 am

What the hell is wrong with you guys! Conservatives don't dislike Obama because he's black! Race has nothing to do with it! You Liberals are so sickening when you blame everything on racism. I'm a black conservative, and I would totally love a black GOP president. I don't know a single conservative who is racist ok, so get out of your alternate reality.

cornybread The Large Malus Fruit
12/17/16 10:26 am

And a black GOP president just isn't happening. The GOP is in sad shape and this is why. Ben Carson was the closest we ever got.

Captainbstring Doctors 4 Trump 2020
12/16/16 5:07 pm

Hell no. Hope and change?!?!? No. Obama was a huge disappointment.

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saskiaelisabeth
12/16/16 4:55 pm

Very few politicians do.

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TiredofIt Texas
12/16/16 4:52 pm

Unfortunately, yes. Hopefully we can turn that around now. The only thing he didn't do was make race relations better. Pretty much made them 1000 times worse.

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valeriejo ramble on
12/16/16 4:51 pm

Its pretty much impossible to keep all campaign promises. Trump has already gone back on what, half of his? thank god) But whatever you think of Obama and his politics, I think most would agree that his heart is in the right place and we are def better off now than we were when he first took office.

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jkennison67 Dayton, Ohio
12/16/16 4:38 pm

The country is better off than it was in '08, unless you live in an alternate reality that's just a fact. However, I don't think that's delivering on the campaign promises, I voted for him, he was stalwarted by republicans half the time and the other half of the time he had to do what Bush did (which I hate) and create all these executive orders. I don't like that balance of power, just my opinion. Did not keep his campaign promises if you ask me.

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Captainbstring Doctors 4 Trump 2020
12/16/16 5:10 pm

He was also very divisive and I still don't understand why the republicans didn't send him bill after bill to make him veto them. The republicans had a mandate to pass legislation to further the conservative agenda and they did nothing..... which included not challenging Obama.

goalie31 Byzantine Catholic
12/17/16 9:28 pm

Tell that to the thousands of coal workers who lost their jobs... including my dad

jlong105 Indiana
12/16/16 4:45 pm

I know that is true. Lol

jlong105 Indiana
12/16/16 4:55 pm

Actually army national guard ona nine month deployment.

jlong105 Indiana
12/17/16 6:13 am

No it isn't. Beautiful country and weather, just awful this time of year.