Show of Hands

Everyone thinks that.

Member when the democrats had a supermajority in the senate and a majority in the house?

Oh I get it... they did it too so that makes it ok. Clearly your line of thinking is part of the problem. I don't condone it on either side of the aisle. Somewhere along the line, the job of congress has changed from legislating to preventing the other side from accomplishing anything--rendering the whole system ineffective. The solution is not to elect a buffoon who is completely unqualified. If you really want to send a message to congress, vote every single one of them out. #turnovercongress. I know that there are many good representives on both sides of the aisle, but it would be the best way to affect real change. But hey, I'm sure that Trump won't alienate anyone or be divisive while in office. Cuz you know, he's making America great again.

I didn't say anything about Trump, for the record I'm a libertarian.

You complained about congress obstructing Obama, my point was that for two years, Obama could have passed any bill he choose.

And to be fair, part of his divisiveness is because of his skin color. Please don't pretend otherwise.

Love the South Park reference.

Until Donald Trump

Fag master!

Sorry, little boy?

What reality do you live in?

Not in yours!

Nor any.

Like???

To like a comment all you gotta do is tap the blue "Like" you don't have to type it out.

For the dense individuals...like what things did he do that were the opposite!

He's asking for examples.

I like!

They were being sarcastic, but one so dense as you probably couldn't pick up on that.

Continued and expanded every single Bush policy (especially regarding war and NSA).

When it came to war all he did was switched US army personnel with Isis and jihadi groups.

He had both the house and the senate with solid democratic majorities the first two years. You cannot blame the republicans for that. In the past major new laws or changes such as social security etc have passed with bipartisan support. If he had worked with all sides he could have had much more success. He forced his own agenda through in the beginning. It was his way or the highway and the republicans chose the highway.

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He had a super majority for 4 months (when the ACA was passed.)

Because the president controls the media

You're joking. He spent 6 years undoing the Gordian clusterfükk that W left him.

Yup - never the messiah's fault - always must be someone else. Same as the lying liar -not her fault -Russians, racists, homophobes, xenophobia etc.

Perhaps you're not good at math: did you see the smoking crater of an economy that W dropped on O. We still haven't recovered completely - it took a fükking Marshall Plan. Throw in a worthless Congress who intentionally blocked every action and you tell me how anything gets done.

If he were really the Messiah, this wouldn't have affected him.

Liberals always blaming everything on Bush. If you just look at Obama's presidency vs Bush's, Obama is definitely way worse

I mean look at the rate of increase in the debt in each of them and it'll be pretty clear

Exactly! Thanks for proving my point

You realize bush had a 200% increase and Obama's at about 80% right? Are you familiar with derivatives? Or even slope?

Yep. Obama is way worse

The data disagrees

More fake data

I think we pretty accurately measured the debt over the last years

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_debt_of_the_United_States
Here, you can even just look at the first picture. You see how between 2005 and 2008 still under bush the debt spikes? Then it continues going up through Obama because the republican congress literally shuts down the government before they change it, and then finally a budget gets passed and the slope levels off

Keep twisting up facts all you want, doesn't change that Obama is a horrible president

Drone bombings in even more countries. Destroyed Libya and Syria. Continued and expanded Patriot Act. NDAA. Constantly taunting Russia. Funding "rebels" in Syria (ISIS), creating the migrant Dow funding by Soros. Bailouts. LMFAO.

Are you fuckers retarded? Do you even remember '08 and why he won? He won because he ran to end the wars. Didn't happen one bit. Yeah he removed a few troops. But he kept bombing and bombing and bombing and is still bombing and bombing.

I'm an anti-war voter and he didn't uphold one promise in that domain. So shut your bitch ass moufs.

This wasn't a question about economics (and in the real world our economy hasn't improved since '08, just the pumped up stock market and multi-nationals). It was a question about campaign promises. He promised to end/reverse the Bush years, when in fact he continued and expanded every single Bush policy.

Liberals who don't understand this are exactly why your party has Zero future. You can't even look in the mirror. You turned in to a rabid pack of war whores and you don't even know it.

Obama had both houses of Congress and the Presidency for 2 years.
What did they accomplish?
Stop blaming others for the poor performance of Obama, Reid and Pelosi.
They doubled the debt -that's all we need to know - remember the debt that Obama called Bush unpatriotic because he raised it a little? I guess doubling it is Patriotic.

Actually its about 80%. And he decreased the rate at which it increased, which is the best anyone can do

Bush's 2009 budget had the Wall Street and auto bailouts, of which the democrats tout as them saving the economy, as well as, the Obama stimulus package in it. That is why his last year budget deficit was so high. His budget deficits for the other years were not that high and makes him look like a financial genius compared to Mr. Trillion dollar deficit! Finally the adults reigned him in the last few year to make him look respectable or as you guys call it "obstructing him". History will look at GWB more favorable than BHO! These last eight years have been the worst years since the depression!!!

You're high. W almost had us on bread lines when O took over. Short of re-forming the WPA, Obama worked a miracle. I'm sorry that he couldn't wave a magic wand for you, but fixing really broken s#it takes time.

You must be on too much Obamacare drugs! The economy was doing good until the Demoncrats took over Congress in 2007 and passed a minimum wage increase that started this downward spiral. Your policies of tax and spend never work!

Yup -laugh all the way to the protest site.

Yeah well when bush was in office, it was a democratic congress that stopped him from doing anything productive. And then people blame bush for not getting anything productive done

I prefer to believe that the majority of this country are much, much, better people than PEDJT.

Wrong.

The definition of demagogue:
a political leader who tries to get support by making false claims and promises and using arguments based on emotion rather than reason.

No drama Obama hardly fits the definition. Sounds like Donald Trump, though, doesn't it?

Hoosier you crack me up.
Oblather said all he needs is his cell phone and a pen to govern.

i think obama fits it quite well, he appeals to the standard democrats emotions while lying about some of the true horrors within his foreign and domestic policy. behind the facade of "humanitarianism" we see the real reason we are in syria; to balkanize the region so saudi arabia and qatar can build pipelines into europe.

he lies endlessly while his establishment goons echo it through the media: "you can keep your doctor", "there is no liberty tax", "didn't know hillary used a private server", "hope and change"(bombing in 7 countries, still in two wars, expanded gitmo with indefinite detention, expanded nsa spying, used irs to target political enemies, etc)

i could go on forever how he is a demagogue. im not even some crazy right-winger even as you probably think. obama is a blatant corporatist when you look at the facts. all but one in his entire cabinet was suggested, vetted, and ultimately chosen by citigroup.

Hoosier, lmao Obama didn't make false promises, and appeal to emotion? He lied about hope and change did he not? Those aren't logical or policy oriented reasons to vote for someone yet that was his entire campaign. Was it not? And the claim I made was in reaction to the mainstream media smearing trump as a demagogue.

Actually, I'm pretty sure Obama meant to bring both hope and change. He certainly delivered hope to many people who felt hopeless during the Bush years. And the change he brought is undeniable.

I find it hard to believe there's nothing that Obama did that you don't like.

Gays can marry, serve openly in the military and live and work in the open. Isn't that great?

The government no longer spies on Americans without a warrant.

We dot torture prisoners any more.

Millions of people have health insurance.

You may disagree with how some of those things were accomplished, but you must at least like sons of the end results.

I though Bush 44 was terrible and an embarrassment to our nation, but even though I have such low regard for him as president I think his contribution to fighting AIDS in Africa was a truly great accomplishment.

Oh, and anyone capable of unbiased, rational analysis sees that Trump is a demagogue, a misogynist and a race baiter.

He was a birther for Pete's sake! That's ignorance or bigotry however you look at it. You do know Obama is an American born citizen, right? If not, you're wasting my time.

it was the supreme court who made it legal for gay people to marry. not everything during a presidents tenure is of them.

heres a fee things he's done that are just great!
-we are bombing in 8 countries, often bypassing congressional approval (after they say no, and without asking) by using an old war on terror bill
-we made record arms deals with saudi arabia, who turn around and destroy yemen or fund/support isis
-obamacare was a right wing plan pushed by nixon and the heritage foundation
-arm terrorists to overthrow countries we do not like
-90% of drone casualties are not the correct target, often civilian
-used irs to target political opponents
-knew hillary clinton used a private server, lied to america
-all but one in cabinet was chosen by citigroup
-talks about closing gitmo, strengthens it, in gitmo they may rape you anally to get information
-the nsa has expanded tremendously under obama

there is much, much more, and worse, but character limit. i care little about rhetoric

...Or rational thought to platitudes.
Get to your safe space zir or zer or zis or ???? -let the adults have the room for awhile.

The only people pushing fear and hate are the ones threatening electors with death and whining in the streets.

He finally got us out of Iraq (mostly), and he did a few bonus things like make nice with Iran and Cuba...all in the face of complete Republican opposition. Imagine what he could've done with their help!

Can you envision the day when extreme conservatives will accept the idea of being led by a black democrat? I can't.

I'd like to think it was just partisanship rather than racism. I'm sure some fit that profile, though.

I can't see tlaney, shippy, Tired, Gun, etc., being racist...at least on here, the goodhearted Conservatives far outnumber the bad ones.

I don't disagree there, but I do feel like there is some unconscious racism in people's dislike for him, even though that dislike is mainly rooted in political matters. I think people are still more willing to make excuses for white dudes than they are for women and people of color. I mean, what the hell does Donald trump have to do for his supporters to stop making excuses for him? That question scares me because I really don't know the answer.

What the hell is wrong with you guys! Conservatives don't dislike Obama because he's black! Race has nothing to do with it! You Liberals are so sickening when you blame everything on racism. I'm a black conservative, and I would totally love a black GOP president. I don't know a single conservative who is racist ok, so get out of your alternate reality.

You're fake

And a black GOP president just isn't happening. The GOP is in sad shape and this is why. Ben Carson was the closest we ever got.

He was also very divisive and I still don't understand why the republicans didn't send him bill after bill to make him veto them. The republicans had a mandate to pass legislation to further the conservative agenda and they did nothing..... which included not challenging Obama.

Tell that to the thousands of coal workers who lost their jobs... including my dad

I know that is true. Lol

Navy?

Actually army national guard ona nine month deployment.

That ain't so bad

No it isn't. Beautiful country and weather, just awful this time of year.