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omniku December 16th, 2016 4:37pm

Would you rather live in an ideologically diverse country where a variety of political perspectives are represented or an ideologically pure country where almost everyone agrees with your political perspective?

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omniku dot com
12/20/16 1:33 pm

@suppressed_id - Thanks for sharing! 😀

ladyniner81 no hope for humanity
12/20/16 12:10 am

As long as they're not arrogant or closeminded. .all political views. I cannot deal with arrogant closeminded people.

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liam2013 iowa
12/19/16 1:41 pm

In a monolithic culture, there would be less ingenuity, and creativity. New ideas spring from exposure to unfamiliar situations and persons not like us.

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omniku dot com
12/20/16 12:02 pm

A great point! I also think contrast and opposition are important for the development of policy. There can be no light without darkness.

DoctorWasdarb Marxist Leninist Maoist
12/18/16 8:34 pm

That's very tough to answer. As much as I think life would be better for everyone if they lived under my desired political system, one of the goals of my political system is to foster diversity of ideas. How's this for a compromise - I'd like most the country to believe in direct democracy, and beyond that diversity of views?

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omniku dot com
12/20/16 12:02 pm

That is the inherent conflict, no? Although you may believe that your view is best, would you really want to live in a monolithic society? Also, who would keep you in check? Because IMHO any ideology that isn't contested will eventually become extremist at which point it will probably lose its functionality.

DoctorWasdarb Marxist Leninist Maoist
12/20/16 12:43 pm

I definitely agree. I don't want monolithic views by any means. But I would prefer it if everybody agreed on one thing, and that is democracy. Without it, the rest doesn't matter.

EarlyBird Portland
12/16/16 4:26 pm

I want many views.

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Okie1967 Is Biden self aware
12/16/16 4:45 pm

A Bird's eye view?

EarlyBird Portland
12/16/16 4:46 pm

Yes please!

Okie1967 Is Biden self aware
12/16/16 4:49 pm

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EarlyBird Portland
12/16/16 4:51 pm

You are entertaining. 🐥

omniku dot com
12/16/16 6:38 pm

LOL! This thread wins!

EarlyBird Portland
12/16/16 6:41 pm

Haha.. omn.

Mark3
12/16/16 3:00 pm

Since I'm correct....

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omniku dot com
12/16/16 6:46 pm

Confidence goes a long way! ;)

But wouldn't it get kinda boring? Also, I wonder if contrast is required for functional policy. There is no light without darkness, get me?

Mark3
12/17/16 3:00 am

I do. Boring and unenlightened. What value exists without contrast?

RagingMystic covfefe
12/16/16 12:38 pm

This is why multiculturalism is important

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omniku dot com
12/16/16 6:44 pm

I agree, but the two aren't necessarily directly connected. For example, New York City is arguably America's most multicultural city, but it's not politically diverse by a long shot.

FloridaPopulist Nationalist Right
12/16/16 10:39 pm

Hostile tribes untuned in their opposition to American exceptionalism, disgusting. That's not diversity of opinions. And forgive if I'm wrong but aren't you the guy who called me a nazi and hoped I get my face kicked in for have an opposing viewpoint?? You Tolerant liberals are so confusing

omniku dot com
12/18/16 10:25 am

I don't see multiculturalism as "hostile tribes untuned in their opposition to American exceptionalism." I see multiculturalism as American exceptionalism. The beauty of America is we are one culture woven out of many cultures. Our greatest liability is our greatest strength... we have a shallow-but-seductively-inclusive national culture. It's very easy to assimilate here and our always wins in the end (if not with immigrants themselves then with their children). Newcomers may seem foreign, but within a generation or two we always turn them into Americans.

FloridaPopulist Nationalist Right
12/18/16 11:05 am

No. All it takes is looking at the political process to see that we're not one people at all. Blacks still voted 8% for trump, Hispanic 29% for trump, Muslims 13% for trump, asians 33% for trump and whites 62% for trump. People are already voting on racial lines. White people want to preserve their culture, and everyone else wants it to become more multicultural to benefit themselves. It's not just a political thing tho it's a societal thing, the only people who pretend race Doesn't matter or say their color blind or whatever other bullshit they spew are white peoples. Everyone else is aware of their identity, aware of the affect race, ethnicity and culture have on their very being. Today we see people forgetting their past ancestry thousands of years of accomplishments traditions and history all for a pipe dream. It's cultural Marxism, people just can't coalesce into one without assimilation. People will fight for their own interests and not interests of the whole.

FloridaPopulist Nationalist Right
12/18/16 11:09 am

And who can blame them? As a reaction white people are starting vote like a minority group. In states outside the northeast and the pacific coastline white percentages for trump reach 75-80% at their highest. There are deep racial divisions, the left has radicalized and know views any patriotism for our culture as racism, xenophobia etc. everything this country was and wanting to preserve it is now considered regressive and evil. It's the left who was caught between the hypocrisy of "America is still great" and "America was never great". Caught between political correctness and propaganda and pandering.

omniku dot com
12/20/16 11:47 am

I guess it’s a matter of perspective, but I see our divisions as mostly superficial. I don’t deny there are racial/cultural divisions, but there are a myriad of other factors that feed into the stats you quoted. For example, there were a lot more black Republicans before Nixon’s “southern strategy”. About 40% of blacks voted for Eisenhower vs 8% for Trump. So maybe it’s has less to do with people voting on racial lines and more to do with voting on policy lines? If Rand Paul had been the nominee he probably would have picked up more of the black vote than Trump did. That said, most Americans are apolitical so just looking at voting stats doesn’t show the whole picture. We are more integrated than ever before, interracial marriage is waaay up (like 150x what it was in 1950!), and there are more minorities in positions of power than ever in US history so where you see more division I see more unity. It’s possible to have a multicultural society that is united under one flag.

omniku dot com
12/20/16 11:49 am

In fact, this has always been the case… immigrants came to the US from various countries and retained their culture while still becoming Americans. It’s worth noting that a mere century ago America didn’t classify Irish, Italians, Polish, Jews, etc as “white” people and a lot of so-called white Americans had the exact same concerns about these immigrants dividing our culture. Instead, we experienced tremendous economic growth because more than any other group, immigrants are the engines of our economy: www.inc.com/magazine/201502/adam-bluestein/the-most-entrepreneurial-group-in-america-wasnt-born-in-america.html . As a bonus, we scored pizza, St. Patricks Day, kielbasa, and bagels.

omniku dot com
12/20/16 11:50 am

I’m completely in favor of Irish-Americans being proud of their Irish culture while still being Americans. Because America is such an inclusive culture, it’s possible to bring your culture here and contribute it to the greater American culture. But don’t think for a minute that your culture will overtake ours… American culture is so strong that it swallows other cultures and merges them with our own which is why the Italian immigrants didn’t take us over during the turn of the 19th-20th century, instead we swallowed their culture so now we have bacon-cheeseburger pizza and espresso by Starbucks. A Vietnamese immigrant who arrived yesterday may seem foreign, but his children’s children will be as American as apple pie!

RagingMystic covfefe
12/20/16 11:50 am

Not to mention the fact that there was nothing in the election about 'preserving culture'.

omniku dot com
12/20/16 11:51 am

... Apple pie!

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