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pinkyusuck July 8th, 2013 4:05am

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." This saying is attributed to Benjamin Franklin. Do you think he is right?

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cshuey1 Pennsylvania
07/10/13 1:24 pm

the key word is temporary. interpret as you wish.

PrinceBlake Bama Born
07/08/13 9:42 pm

The full quote (the one I found) was "... Deserve neither && will lose them both" Give more depth..

DavesNotHere where am I
07/08/13 1:33 pm

He wouldn't have said that or believed it in 2013.

pinkyusuck The Carribean. I wish.
07/08/13 4:05 pm

Sure he would've. He was a champion of liberty, rather than a champion of the state.

DavesNotHere where am I
07/08/13 4:14 pm

He didn't live in the terrorism world we live in. I think all the founding fathers would have different views of America and the world we live in. Some minor, some major.

pinkyusuck The Carribean. I wish.
07/09/13 8:16 am

They lived with crime though. And terrorism is a crime (and should be pursued and prosecuted as such).

pinkyusuck The Carribean. I wish.
07/09/13 8:16 am

They supported liberty to the point of offering their lives so that others could enjoy the freedom that they won. They would not sacrifice that in the name of 'preventing' terrorism.

barbearnj Dreaming of Banff
07/08/13 4:40 am

He was right absolutely!

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Octopus
07/07/13 11:47 pm

What constitutes "essential" liberty and what doesn't quite fit the mark for being a higher priority than security?

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Octopus
07/07/13 11:51 pm

The two are compatible, yes? You can't fully act on all of your liberties without some security and vice versa. There's a balance. So where is the line drawn?

pinkyusuck The Carribean. I wish.
07/08/13 6:45 am

Essential liberties are pretty well defined in the Constitution.
Examples of the trade-off could be the Patriot Act, the War on Fill-in-the-Blank, universal eavesdropping by the NSA, the 'National Firearms Act/Gun Control Act,' etc., etc.

pinkyusuck The Carribean. I wish.
07/08/13 6:48 am

If a violation of the spirit or the letter of the Constitution is desired in the name of 'security,' then that is a trade of essential liberty in favor of security.